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1) The date IS important, but only in the context of the express expiry date as in Alan's example that was wrongly judged to comply.
Warranty dates and manufactured dates are not important in the BSS examination - only the concept of 'Do-not-use-after-this-date' type statement will cause a BSS compliance issue.
The MED ships wheel mark on the box and canister shows the ANAF extinguisher that your branch of Lidl is selling can be considered in the compliment of compliant extinguishers aboard (and it's 5a 34b as stated on the canister).
Job jobbed....
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4 minutes ago, Robbo said:
It's an Inverter one. Like... http://www.dry-it-out.com/inverter-5006-3kw-liquid-fuel-heater-free-fuel
Assuming yours like this has the same CO safety and anti-fire tip over safety cut-out I would not rely 100% on that. I recommend you ensure you have also got good, working CO and smoke alarms.
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On 11/12/2017 at 12:00, Stephen Jeavons said:
Hi All,
Did a search but found nothing on this.
I have 7 brass mushroom vents on my boat. The previous owner clearly never adjusted them and they are seized solid.
More fundementally, why do you want to adjust them? Have you introduced new, or unistalled old, fuel burning equipment?
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On 17/12/2017 at 12:36, Robbo said:
I’ve just fitted a stove on my boat the I’m refitting, I was using a paraffin heater, one of the modern ones that blows the air around.
What paraffin heater is that please?
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1 hour ago, Alan de Enfield said:
The C&RT 'Visitor Incident Report' forms are no longer available, all you now get is :
"The page you are looking for has either moved, no longer exists, or there is a typo in the url"
and, seeing as it was a C&RT link that took me there I doubt there is a typo I the url.
The link posted earlier (many thanks) is solely for C&RT employees to report "A set of circumstances which could result in human injury, property damage or other loss but didn't".
Hi Alan
It appears that this form is the one to use https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/contact-us/ways-to-contact-us
Ask customer services to pass this onto the waterway manager and the local health & safety advisor.
Rob
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On 13/10/2017 at 17:28, Alan de Enfield said:
SORTED
Had the batteries back on charge for 6 or 7 hours now - CO alarm goes off.
Mrs De Enfield declares she can smell a 'sulphery smell'
Into the engine room - 'choking sensation', one of the 'old' batteries is bubbling away noisily and too hot to touch.
Battery charger off
Bilge blowers on
Battery disconnected out of the bank, will be left to cool down.
Onto 'battery megastore' - closed but will no doubt be spending £200+ with them tomorrow.
(Should get £25 scrap value towards the new one)
Thanks for all the help.
Hi Alan,
You've had an eventful time.
In brief, just to wrap this up. The sensors used in CO alarms are also sensitive to hydrogen.
Overcharging batteries can gas off and produce hydrogen.
Overcharging usually happens on deep-cycling batteries, but it can happen on any battery that is losing its electrolyte and needs topping up.
It can be an early sign of warping battery plates. And the heat in the battery is another sign. If the plates touch and explosion can follow that will put shards of plastic all over the place and battery acid splattered everywhere.
The hydrogen is in the explosive limits can be ignited by mechanical or electrical sparks including static on clothing.
So it is important to react to any such signs and be cautious in what you do.
In general, do not rely on CO alarms to warn you of battery issues. Put battery checking/maintenance on the calendar as a routine activity.
We should all thank Alan for sharing and raising the issue again for others to learn from. And we can all empathise with Alan for the horrific attack on his finances - batteries are such expensive things.
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Cement board is fire proof and won't combust - true - but it doesn't stop much heat radiating through. So the problem of the pyrolis will continue. You need 25mm calcium silicate board to be effective. Follow this advice to help keep safe from fire and carbon monoxide risks http://www.soliftec.com/Boat Stoves 1-page.pdf
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As you are new to the subject, please take our advice on board. Generators are known repeat killers when they are not used in the ways that reduce the associated risks https://www.boatsafetyscheme.org/stay-safe/generator-safety/
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19 hours ago, ThoughtfulBacon said:
Yeah, I couldn't quite believe that someone chose a gold stove, but part of the fun is making the interior my own. Thanks for the feedback!
More important than the colour colour of the stove, can you check with the previous owner, what material are those tiles mounted on. For your safety it should be calcium silicate board see stove installation linky
...and make sure that the space behind the vent grills in the doors - is actually space, not just the odd hole, or even covered by last year's birthday card.
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A living example of the ship of Theseus, also known as Theseus' paradox
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
Beware of fire, although keep up with the CO protection too.
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Macclesfield Express http://www.macclesfield-express.co.uk/news/local-news/safety-warning-after-macclesfield-canal-11043952
Safety warning after Macclesfield Canal boat tragedy
Updated 13:43, 16 Mar 2016 - By Stuart GreerChristopher Reuben died from carbon monoxide poisoning on his boat NomadicChris Wimbush
Christopher Reuben, 52, was found dead on his dawncraft called Nomadic on Macclesfield Canal near Springbank Lane bridge.
Safety advice has been issued after a man was poisoned by fatal carbon monoxide fumes from the engine of his boat.
Christopher Reuben, 52, was found dead on his dawncraft called Nomadic on October 15 last year.
His vessel had been moored on the Macclesfield Canal near Springbank Farm, Springbank Lane, Adlington.
An inquest at Macclesfield town hall on March 7 concluded that Mr Reuben, from New Moston, Manchester, died accidentally.
Now Cheshire Fire and Rescue Service and the Boat Safety Scheme, a public safety initiative run by the Canal and River Trust and the Environment Agency, are urging boat owners and dwellers to make vital checks to avoid similar tragedies from happening.
In the last 20 years, 30 boaters have been killed as a result of carbon monoxide, according to the Boat Safety Scheme.
Graham Watts, manager of the Boat Safety Scheme said: “Over a million people are using boats safely each year, including thousands of people who live aboard on the inland waterways, but our reminder to crews and skippers is to treat the risks with due respect.
“Prevention is the key to staying safe. All engines and appliances need to be properly installed, well maintained and used according to the instructions.
“But carbon monoxide can occur or be made worse when ventilators are blocked, or fresh air is in short supply. Burning fuels need the right amount of oxygen to combust safely and it’s also incredibly important to keep exhaust fumes out of the boat’s interior.
“If there’s a smell of exhaust fumes aboard, there could be deadly carbon monoxide in the cabin and that’s why our belt and braces advice is to fit a carbon monoxide alarm approved as meeting BS EN 50291-2. These are type best suited for boats.
“And if an alarm go off, open the doors, hatches and windows and get ashore straightaway.
“The skipper should turn off appliances and engines as they get out. If anyone feels unwell, giddy, confused or sick they should get very urgent medical treatment.”
Nick Evans, head of prevention at Cheshire Fire Service, added: “I would encourage anyone living or holidaying on boats to ensure that they protect themselves by checking that their boat is fitted with both working smoke alarms and carbon monoxide detectors.”
For more safety information visit www.boatsafetyscheme.org/co
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Many thanks Mr Bear - recon we're going with this guy... gonna be at Gt Haywood for a few weeks whist we await the slipway being available!
Watch the BSS video here www.boatsafetyscheme.org/ Iain is the examiners doing the turn on the boat. I'm sure when he explains stuff, you'll understand what he is talking about as he get over points really well. Totally nice chap.
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Also noticed that they've not tried too hard to publicise the recall - it's buried in a small rotating banner on their website & it's taken 7 months for this to come to the attention of BSS (recall notice when I eventually found it is dated July 2015).
I'm disappointed, as before this I considered Kidde to be one of the reputable names in fire safety.
I know what you mean, but I have to say Kidde management have been very keen that we help them get the message out and have been most appreciative of our efforts. So I think it may have been a slip rather than avoidance.
Kidde Safety are also really supportive members of CoGDEM on the CO alarm subject matter, so don't let your opinion of Kidde drop too far.
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Oil pan fires....
Are people really deep-fat frying chips on boats?
Unfortunately - yes. Unfortunately because on occasion, they have started frying and fallen asleep, possibly due to the additional affect of alcohol. Two boaters have unhappily died in this way. Others have lived to tell the tale, but lost their boats.
Thanks Rob.
Pinned
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This topic may deserves its own pinned thread and not be hidden in the LPG regulator recall - Regards, Rob
The Boat Safety Scheme (BSS) is supporting Kidde Safety Europe Ltd to alert any boaters to the immediate product recall on its “Kidde” or “Lifesaver” fire blankets following concerns regarding their effectiveness in the event of an oil pan fire.
29 February 2016NR16-003 Kidde Fire Blanket Recall SupportFeb
Kidde Safety Europe Ltd has identified a potential safety issue with regard to fire blankets sized 1m² which may impact upon the fire blankets’ effectiveness in the event of an oil pan fire. Kidde states that no reports of any adverse incidents have been received to date, however, testing of certain fire blankets has identified a risk that the affected fire blankets may not fully extinguish an oil pan fire and/or may allow the fire to re-ignite very soon after application of the fire blanket. Accordingly, a recall has been initiated on a precautionary basis to ensure end-user safety.
Kidde state that if you have one of the potentially affected fire blankets, you must not use it on any oil pan fire.
There is more information on the recall at www.kiddesafetyeurope.co.uk and any boater finding one of these products should remove the fire blanket and contact Kidde Safety Europe Ltd directly on Freephone number 0800 917 0722 to arrange a replacement fire blanket.
Kidde Safety Europe Director Andy Burnett said: ‘Kidde Safety Europe Ltd thanks any affected customers for their understanding, co-operation and it is apologising for any inconvenience caused.
He added: ‘A new fully compliant Kidde branded 1.1 m² blanket, model FB1, has been introduced as a replacement product.
‘If anyone calls our free helpline, we will be able to talk them through how to recognise what blanket they have, or please email admin@kiddesafety.co.uk with any queries.’
The potentially affected fire blankets are 1m² in size and are identified by looking on the website. The fire blanket containers are labelled with the brand name “Kidde” or “Lifesaver” and are marked with the “Kitemark” symbol. The Kitemark Licence Number 35021 is also displayed on the container where marked below.
BSS Manager, Graham Watts said:
‘We welcome Kidde’s initiative to spread the message about this potential problem with its safety equipment
‘It’s important that boaters and boating organisations pay attention to such product recalls and safety alerts
‘I urge everyone with a fire blanket the very next time they are on the boat, to set aside five minutes and check their equipment against the information in the recall.’
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Notes for editors
For help identifying affected fire blankets (images from Kidde Europe website) use the photographs below and if the container looks similar to those shown, contact Kidde using the Freephone number or email in the news release.
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We issued two support recall notices yesterday.
The Boat Safety Scheme (BSS) is supporting Kidde Safety Europe Ltd to alert any boaters to the immediate product recall on its “Kidde” or “Lifesaver” fire blankets following concerns regarding their effectiveness in the event of an oil pan fire.
The Boat Safety Scheme (BSS) is supporting Clesse Industries to make boaters aware of the immediate product recall on its Novacomet branded BP1803 LPG regulators manufactured between June 2010 and September 2015.
The links can be seen bottom right of our home page www.boatsafetyscheme.org
Both are very important, please take out 10 minutes of your day to make the checks suggested.
Thanks
Rob
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Rivers Can Be dangerous Places.
I am surprised that this has not been reported previously but the details are now starting to emerge.
A ‘few times’ hirer of NBs decided to buy one for themselves, a mooring was secured in a Marina.,
After a short time it was decided that the Marina was like a ‘Council estate’ and not what was wanted. So they booked into a Marina on the River Trent.
8th Feb 2016
Leaving the canals via ‘Meadow Lane Lock’ they joined the Trent ...
Hi Alan, is it possible that it was Feb 9th or are we looking at potentially two incidents: http://www.notts-fire.gov.uk/56F0DD1E303641428C6B7D192A77B39A.asp
I suspect it one, but I thought I'd better check.
Thanks for the info as I had heard nothing.
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Alan is out of hospital now, a bit singed but doing OK.
He may need new eyebrows, if anyone has a spare set.
Thanks for the update. It's really good to learn he is out of hospital. Hopefully he'll also find a new smoke alarm... just in case.
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I await clarification from Rob.
Removing the one 5A/34B will also affect the required total capacity which consequently will be lowered by 5A and 34B in all three boat length categories
By way of an additional clarification as a FAQ: - it is the minimum expected number of extinguishers, but the total combined fire rating aboard may be met by having more than the minimum required number of extinguishers if the owner chooses.
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do seem tohave hidden the old book:-http://www.boatsafetyscheme.org/media/180428/bss%20guide%202005%20complete%20web.pdf
So I found the above - hope that's what you want.
Sad to say I'm not a great fan of the BSS management style - BSS is a good thing - but not if they are at liberty to hide what the rules actually are...
You need this latest version if your boat is a privately owned privately managed craft.
http://www.boatsafetyscheme.org/boat-examination/private-boats/
Click on the small person reading a document in the rectangular shape
Those are the requirements and the checking actions supporting the requirements, word for word, exactly what the examiner must do.
The 2005 book is out of date.
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Terrible thing to happen. I hope he recovers fully.
I have used a few paraffin heaters in France and the biggest no, no, was to never fill them while hot. I personally don't like them as need ventilation, and too much condensation.
On the subject of ventilation and condensation, they have caused CO deaths on boats.
However on the subject of fire, it can be even worse than this latest incident at Wolverton
See this report from Bristol that was witnessed by a member of this forum.
The general basic starting points with any appliance - gas, solid fuel, oil etc
- Install properly
- Maintain routinely in accordance with instructions
- Use correctly as advised in the owner's manual
So in another boat fire incident last December in which a paraffin lamp was being fuelled with petrol did not meet the last bullet point.
The owner suffered burns but survived.
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Yesterday a man was taken to hospital after a parrafin heater he was using inside his cabin burst into flames, he managed to put it out, but was burnt, and taken to hospital suffering from smoke inhallation and shock. We don't know why the fire started yet so don't speculate. As far as I know he's not badly injured.
His name is Alan, and the boat is called " Kingfisher".
Saturday 6 February, 4.05pm
Small fire on canal boat, Grand Union Canal, off Deans Road, Old Wolverton. One appliance and crew from Great Holm and one from Broughton attended. Firefighters used a water backpack and a thermal imaging camera. A man was in the care of South Central Ambulance Service.
Edited to say this is from Bucks Fire Service website. Not good news for the poor chap.
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I bet most people don't do all that stuff. what trouble would you get in if you got caught renting out a boat without the right insurance and safety certificates?
Depending on the transgression (as there are a multitude of possibilities) anything from a polite demand for more money from the navigation authority at one end of the spectrum to a gaol sentence and a five figure i.e. tens of thousands sum in fines.
It always pays to do the spadework and get quality legal advice as well as talk to the navigation authority. They will take you through want they need . Doing it the wrong way round means you spend even more time and money sorting out the mess in the long run.
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some of these posts are really helpful guys but.. i'm getting the impression that due to my lack of knowledge on this subject i should'nt be here ? i just want to learn and the people helping me do that i thank you muchly (: x
And it seems, there he was gone, even before I could mention the carbon monoxide, fire and explosion risks from running generator aboard a boat, so make sure it could be run ashore... http://www.boatsafetyscheme.org/about-us/news-and-press-releases/news-releases/nr15-008-bss-use-generators-correctly,-ashore-nov/
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Very good point Alan F. I should have mentioned that in our experience such extinguishers are quite rare. Alan dE's extinguishers are the exception rather than the rule.