AndyE
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7 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:
I just don't bother. Mine was scuffed before I got back to my home mooring after the last blacking
Fair comment... I may well reach the same conclusion. It's just that the undercoat is such a stark contrast to the blacking.
8 minutes ago, BEngo said:Just wire brush it, ideally with an angle grinder and put some epoxy on top. You will need to measure the epoxy carefully to get the proportions right, as you won't want a full can.
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Hmmm... angle grinder sounds quite heavy duty. Or maybe I'm imagining the wrong type of tool! Any recommendations for tools & re-coating products appreciated!
12 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:You probably can, but how it might affect subsequent coats of epoxy is open to question. I know it's a faff, what with mixing etc, but probably best to rub down a bit and touch up with more epoxy.
Thanks Tony. So, strip back to bare metal and then touch up with more epoxy presumably using sand/emery paper? Can I ask what primer/undercoat is required? And, can you suggest a product that would be appropriate for small-scale epoxy touch-up? Thanks again.
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The boat's relatively new. The hull has 2-pack epoxy blacking over a very pale undercoat.
In places, whilst learning the boat's handling, I've collected a few scrapes (I say this somewhat sheepishly), leaving the undercoat shining brightly through.
I've previously been told that you can't patch up 2-pack with black paint. This leaves me wondering how I might tidy up the scrapes?
Any help much appreciated.
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So this means "it's tricky to get to/from the towpath"?? I see for example one location where it's outside a pub so you'd have to go through the pub I guess. No great hardship, I think! Thanks.
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When looking on the wonderful canalplan, I see these words: 'There is access (unofficial access) to the towpath here.'
I understand the words... but I don't really know what it means. I assume it doesn't mean I risk getting shot by a grumpy farmer?
It looks like a valid CRT mooring site, so am I not (really) allowed to hop off the boat? Surely not!
Please would someone mind educating me? Many thanks.
P.S. Sorry for the dumb question 🙂
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1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said:
The old warships weeww under 6' head room.
Maybe we should look backwards into history
Nah, I have no plans for gun turrets (won't fit under bridges). Also:
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Haha love it! Great idea though if the height is there. Which I agree at around 6'5" in the centre of the beam is unlikely.
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2 hours ago, churchward said:
Your welcome.
You may have already since this but worth a look if you have not. I think there boat has some extras from the basic price but t gives an idea of a recently launched Elton Moss boat.
Hadn't seen it - so many thanks.
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1 hour ago, churchward said:
I have not got one myself but I know two boats and their owners and been on their boats. I like both of them they seem good value to me in comparison to other builders. Both owners really like their boats and one has had theirs for nearly 10 years.
I guess you cannot expect all the bells, whistles or traditional features of some builders but what you do get seems well executed.
Thanks for the info. Much appreciated!
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3 minutes ago, Doug_ said:
We had a share in one of their boats, they are a decent quality build, at least ours was. If you are thinking of buying a share, a lot depends on the rest of the syndicate. We were very disappointed in that respect. Most treated it like a hire boat, no respect for it at all. It needed a complete repaint before it was four years old. Maintenance fees are what needs to be looked at closely and scrutinised before the AGM to question any anomolies. Good luck.
Thanks Doug that’s really helpful. I was thinking in terms of a solo purchase, but at the back of my mind the boat share scenario was also lingering. You’ve just shone a bright light on that for me whilst at the same time reassuring me of the EM quality. Cheers.
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17 minutes ago, robtheplod said:
We love our Elton Moss boat. Its an older 2005 one and is an ex-shareboat. No idea where it is in the 'quality' scale, but it seems sturdy... No issues other than me not understanding stuff really!
Thanks Rob, I appreciate the relevant comment… much more useful than the “banter” (bickering?) about maker’s marks.
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Any experience of Elton Moss? Both positive and negative views would be much appreciated.
Only caveat to my request: I’ve heard all the Eton Mess gags that I need to, thanks.
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5 minutes ago, LadyG said:
I have a Tylor Wilson it has 6 6 from centre to floor, 6 3 up the sides. I think you could get an extra 3/4 inch by stripping back the floor coverings.
Good info, thanks LadyG. If only there were any TWs for sale. I think the owners very sensibly hang onto this strong brand.
2 minutes ago, PeterF said:Andy,
The fabrication quality of the boat looked good, it was the design /aesthetics that I meant as being clunky, the wrapped stern looks like an afterthought and the way the taff rail is attached is not brilliant and the very pinched in cratch window and small bow locker also look a bit odd. My guess is that the owners, who had it built wanted it like this. There is also the leaning chimney, why not fit an angled through roof fitting like most boat builders so the chimney is vertical.
Really helpful thanks Peter. Yes, I saw the chimney looks drunk! I agree the wrapped stern etc may well have been intentional.
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3 minutes ago, PeterF said:
We moored next to a Pintail Boats / Forton fit out for a few years that is now for sale, https://www.aqueductmarina.co.uk/second-hand-boats/the-owl-the-pussycat/. The design of the shell was a little clunky especially around the stern and bow but that may have been owners spec, otherwise it was OK. We never went inside so no clue to the fit out competency.
Excellent psychic powers Peter ‘cos that was the boat that triggered my question! When you say clunky do you mean aesthetically displeasing (perhaps the wrapped stem?) or do you mean the execution (perhaps the weld quality?). Much appreciated!
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11 hours ago, jpcdriver said:
Yes, Pintail are doing the fitout.
Thanks you and hope it continues to go well!
9 hours ago, luggsy said:Mine is a XR&D and has standing height of 6ft 6inchs
Good info; thanks luggsy. If there are any notable pros and cons of XR&D then I’d be happy to learn.
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6 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:
Only when they say they are a steel fabiricator trying a new outlet / product to keep the welders busy.
I agree with you Alan. It makes my blood boil to see people creating a new product, maybe new jobs, and making claims about said product’s innovation or differentiating features.
Relaxing with a bit of GB News or the Daily Mail usually gets my blood pressure back under control.
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2 hours ago, jpcdriver said:
I am currently having a 9' widebeam built by them (now at first fix stage) and am very happy so far.
Good info, much appreciated! Who is doing the fitout? Also Pintail or a different company? (Sorry I would have PM’d but it looks like I’ve exceeded my quota of zero messages!? … I’ll work that one out another day)
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2 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:
Another steel fabricator - its an easy step from building a skip to putting a pointy end on one and calling it a narrowboat.
Sorry Alan I’m a little perplexed. It was Pintail I was asking about, not Dragon.
How was your experience with Pintail? How was their quality? Value for money? Timeliness?
How long ago did you buy your Pintail? I see their company (06412228) was incorporated in 2007, so I’d be reassured if your experience is recent.
Many thanks!
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4 hours ago, David Mack said:
You can buy a used boat now. You will probably have to wait 18 months - 2 years for a new boat, especially one bespoke to your requirements.
Absolutely. I’m aware of the lead times which is why I say “new or used”. But thanks anyway.
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Thanks to the thoughts from the eminent members of this community I’ve been converted from widebeam plans into seeking a sub-60ft new or used narrowboat.
Now I’m trying to find a quality manufacturer (that can also give me the headroom I need… circa 6’6” in the centre of the saloon).
thoughts and opinions gratefully received!
sub-question… any thoughts on Pintail boats / Forton fit out … I can very little online. Thanks!
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Thanks everyone for your helpful comments.
My wife's now actively investigating narrow beam options for us in addition to the 10' wide beam we'd been assuming.
She's also having a laugh tutoring me on my social media etiquette so that she doesn't get omitted from my questions. 😂
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15 minutes ago, The Happy Nomad said:
We once hired a boat (Helena from Napton NB's) that had a lovely large bed in the front cabin. It was obviously a reverse layout. The bed ran length ways and was permanent. Nothing to fold out to make the bed up. There was just enough room for the person on the inside to slide out the bottom if needed. It was 6ft 9in long and 5 feet wide.
It is true that it was a bit of a tight squeeze to get past to the front door but nothing too difficult and the slight inconvenience was well worth the additional comfort and convenience come bed time.
I can't recall ever seeing anything the same on any privately owned boats and I honestly don't know why it's not more common. It would be my choice if we were ever in position to have a boat built.
The other option would be the layout Stenson used to do (possibly still do) with the bed right in the centre far up into the bow but that design loses the front well deck and only has an emergency window hatch right at the front with steps and a side hatch near the foot of the bed. Not really ideal IMHO.
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This is really helpful, thanks. At the risk of opening a can of worms, would you be able to advise / know the sort of companies that would be worth talking to about this sort of layout? That is, a quality custom boat builder with something like a 12mo. lead time? Sorry for another naïve question.
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1 minute ago, blackrose said:
It's mainly the newer Collingwoods that have the increased air-draft. My 2005 boat is 12ft wide but no higher than most narrowboats.
Certainly standing inside a Collingwood Hoxley the headroom is (even for me) unnecessarily high. An Aqualine Canterbury is fine apart from the central strip which, I understand, need not be fitted. So, back to the problem of custom vs 2nd-hand... Anyway, I wish boat builders would specify the head height more clearly. There's every other stat under the sun. But I appreciate that I'm not the norm.
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Hi all, I want to thank you for the helpful and courteous answers. MrsM asks “Can the OP say what he wants to do with the boat?”. Good question and I’m sorry I didn’t elaborate further in the OP.
With my wife, I’d like to escape some harsh realities at home in Wiltshire and get to a peaceful “bolt-hole” on water. Some cruising would be needed, although some weekends at a pleasant marina will be just fine. Now, I’m not asking for anyone to solve the difficulties in my life. So here’s a more clear problem statement:
Maximise room in a
- good quality boat,
- for someone who is close to 6’7” and his wife,
- with a bed that is king-size and has room for my feet overhanging at the end - as mattresses have never, since childhood, been long enough for me.
- The boat must be able to cruise the K&A and the Thames. Ideally more, but by no means does it need to reach the full extent of the network. Or, we might crane-lift the boat “up north” for an extended holiday some years.
- A shower-over-bath would be ideal.
- Buying a custom-build boat is feasible although the (original) statement holds true, that I need confidence that I should be able to find a mooring by the time the boat's built.
I’ve known many men tell me “I thought I was tall but… gee…” So don’t assume that if you’re 6’5” and OK in your boat then I’ll be fine. If I can’t stand up straight on-board then I’ll be very uncomfortable. I know this from holidays in historic cottages.
Thanks again for the helpful comments and support, and if you have more to add then I’d be happy to hear it. I hope I can make it work so that I can join the community.
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Hi,
Aspiring new boater here in search of the group's collective wisdom, please.
I know that this time next year I will have an empty nest and the funds to pay for a new build; currently thinking Aqualine. I know I'll need a wide beam as I need clear head height (slightly over 6'6") and a king-size bed where I can hang my feet over the end (as I normally do). I can't sleep curled up in a cabin bed.
When I phone around marinas on the K&A, Severn, Thames I hear how difficult it is to get a wide beam mooring.
So, my dilemma: (i) do I gamble on buying a new-build now and hope I'll find a mooring when the time comes. Or, (ii) do I find a mooring and rent it for a year with no boat. Or, (iii) can I find some way of negotiating with a marina that I pay a reservation fee between now and when the boat's available... then the marina can "double dip" by also selling the space while I don't need it.
Any help or suggestions most welcome! Thanks in advance.
Andy
Tidying up minor scrapes
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Would you mind explaining a couple of terms "re epoxy" & "Hardtop"? And what if the scrapes are above the waterline? Still out of the water?
Sorry for the noob question but what do you mean by "Chalking"? Grey would be OK but shiny white glaring out from under the black is a bit too striking (to my eye). I may get used to it. Right now I'm embarrassed of such clear evidence of my mistakes e.g.entering tricky locks. (I guess imposter syndrome into such a friendly but skilled community).