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1 minute ago, Tony Brooks said:
As I told you on here you have the ability, if you wish to use it, to look at any individual member's history of posts and the outcomes. You could also have used the link on my signature or googled my name plus marine or boat and maybe educated yourself with a whole slew of free advice and notes. Then you should be a to make a judgement. Don't you expect to do anything for yourself?
People have given freely of their timer and expertise in an attempt to help you when you seem not to have wanted any help at all.
I find it bizarre that anyone would ask for advice and then make little or no attempt to follow it, but its an increasingly common attitude. Don't like the advice, ignore it and asbalek again. I know you did not ask again.
Why do you think you're that important? Did you research me in-depth before replying? There are dozens of people replying to this thread, I'm not going to read character biographies of all of them. If I googled everyone I interacted with on the internet to make a judgement on them, I'd be doing nothing else, ever.
I asked a question. I got an answer. I repeat: I give advice to people all the time about computers. If they don't take it, I don't call them rude and tell them to google me because I'm such a big shot and they clearly don't expect to do anything for themselves. I just shrug and get on with my day. I would do the same if you asked me.
Why some of you think asking a question means that someone has signed some kind of sacred contract with you if you respond, I have no idea.
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1 minute ago, Tony Brooks said:
I find to basically ask for advice and when you get it for free make up what to me looked like a string of excuses not to even try to follow that advice rude. Then seemingly telling those on here who know what they are talking about that their advice is worth less than some bod at a boatyard who seems to have done no diagnostic tests whatsoever, even ruder. Don't you get ignored when people ask for help and then seem to be rude in return? Still, regrettably, all too common these days.
I find this attitude bizarre. I'm a programmer, and when people ask me for computer advice, I give it. If they don't take my advice, I don't get on my high horse about it and call them rude, to their face. That really would be rude.
And how do I know you know what you're talking about? You could be anybody. You could BE the random bod from the boatyard for all I know.
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1 minute ago, tehmarks said:
People have gone out of their way to help you by spending their time replying and giving you advice. The least you could do is humour them by actually taking steps to follow their advice. If you had done so, your problem would have been diagnosed, almost certainly, long ago.
If they didn't want to spend their time replying, they shouldn't have done so. There is no rule that if you ask for advice, you're obliged to take it. Not least because all I asked about was if anyone knew what my fridge was doing. So no, it is not "the least I could do".
Given that I've been called a drama queen for refusing to sell my only home to a random stranger on the internet, when I didn't ask and had already politely declined, even after I have repeatedly explained my situation, I will reiterate that nobody is obligated to post on this thread, including you.
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42 minutes ago, tree monkey said:
Alice Roberts for me, hopefully BSP isn't reading these posts
I see your Alice Roberts, and raise you Hannah Fry.
Wot. A. Lady.
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22 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said:
I'll take Reese Witherspoon if you don't mind.
We must be on the same marina then, because the other day I could have sworn I saw Reese Witherspoon sashaying along the towpath like Naomi Campbell, past some bloke that looked like Harold Shipman.
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3 minutes ago, Goliath said:
Don’t know about that.
I’m sure there was once a general agreement that every boater looked like Harold Shipman. ?
Ok, that one did actually get me 🤣
Of course I was referring to the lady boaters being fabulous like Naomi Campbell, I'm sure all the blokes look like beardy OAP-snuffers.
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4 minutes ago, Goliath said:
We’re a fickle lot here.
Fickle but gorgeous, like Naomi Campbell.
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10 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said:
It's pointless. He doesn't want to help himself.
Hang on a minute, you were on my team the other day! What gives? Did D'arth Vader nobble you with promises of divvying up my crappy canal boat after I'm out of the picture?
On 20/09/2021 at 09:28, doratheexplorer said:Fair dos. In another few weeks it may be cold enough to turn the fridge off and keep your food outside in a cool-box.
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1 minute ago, Goliath said:
Well there you have it 👍
Supermarkets sell multimeters !!
Get one with your next tea and biscuit delivery.
First thing to do when it’s delivered is check it’s working by twisting the dial to random positions and watch numbers flash about, then chuck to the back of a draw and forget about it.
I’ve two somewhere…I'd be surprised if they sell them for delivery, tends to be just food and such, although I haven't looked.
Of course I could just say that I've bought one, and then everyone on here would stop asking me about it.....
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10 minutes ago, Richard10002 said:
As a matter of interest, which supermarkets do you use, and is it fairly straightforward? How do they let you know they have arrived in the car park, and does the driver carry the stuff to your boat, or do you have to carry it from the car park.
I ask because I have seen some here who have had difficulty getting supermarkets to deliver to them at a marina, or a mooring, so your experience could be helpful.
Crumbs, I've gone from being an insufferably ignorant drama-queen noob to being asked for my advice in the space of about 20 minutes! I feel as if the captain of the football team has just asked me to take off my glasses and let down my hair.
All the major supermarkets deliver as far as I know (Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons, Asda), I've even heard of people having food deliveries to random parts of the canal ("please be at this bridge in this post code at this time"), the drivers'll do pretty much whatever you ask them to (within reason) - and in fact, every driver we've had has been a cheerful delight, I keep expecting a grump to turn up eventually but it hasn't happened yet - you can go out to their van, they'll carry the stuff to your boat, you go back and forth carrying and they'll help you etc. Yes, it's very easy.
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12 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:
To be honest, I have found your conduct here in turn baffling, annoying and nonsensical. There is no point in asking for help and when offered sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating "I don't want to do that".
Still it's your life, your money,and your boat so you can do as you wish. You are probably correct in that you are not suited to life on a boat.
I'm free to post on the internet if I wish, you are free to offer advice or not if you wish, and I am free to choose to accept it or not.
(although what have I done that "annoyed" you?? Seems a rather strong reaction).
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5 minutes ago, Tracy D'arth said:
If you feel that way and want to act stupid, this random person withdraws the honest offer and will forget all about you.
I was being sensible and trying to offer you a good way out of your "dilemma" but now I suspect that you are just another silly drama queen seeking attention on this forum.
That is your privilege, and I accept your flouncing withdrawal of offer.
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14 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said:
I suggested you get a voltmeter nearly a week ago. (Last thursday lunchtime). If you'd gone to the chandlery you could probably have got one straight away or they'd have it by Friday morning. It would have cost less than £10. If your wife made a fuss about it, you could have blamed me and she wouldn't have used the 'bigger boys' argument.
With your voltmeter you could have checked the batteries quite easily.
I too am dying to know which marina you're in. My suspicion as to your reluctance to say is that you've been exagerating how remote it is because you don't really want to put much personal effort into sorting things out. The trouble is: boats need a lot of effort, and it's never ending.
I too have enjoyed your humour, but the phrase "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink" springs to mind when reading through this thread.
I certainly don't want to put a lot of effort in! Nor do I want to buy some equipment, and then try and follow instructions from well-meaning but remote people while they try and explain to me how to Tom-Cruise-from-Mission-Impossible myself into some dark corner that they can't see. Nor do I want anybody to go out of their way to help me - I would find it excruciating. I feel I've been pretty clear on all of that.
As I said, if I'd asked the marina guy before asking on here, I probably wouldn't even have thought about it since. And I like posting on here, it's quite fun, and people keep asking me questions.
I became very aware very soon after coming aboard that boats need never ending effort. That's why I intend to get off the boat as soon as I'm able, and this will just be a bad memory.
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9 hours ago, MtB said:
Aha so we've smoked out the limit of your doom and gloom. You don't actually want to sell the boat, even when asked to name your price!
Maybe I just don't want to sell to some random person on the internet? Or at least waste the time talking to them about it.
Ok, how about this: £150k, in my bank account, and the boat is yours (or anyone else's). Or do you perhaps not have faith in some random person posting on an internet forum?
(I quit drinking years ago, and supermarkets deliver, you know).
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1 hour ago, Tracy D'arth said:
As I said, your price expectation this week, then we can discuss a solution to your agro.
No, I'm ok thanks.
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16 minutes ago, Tracy D'arth said:
What and where is the boat? How much do you want for it this week? I pay cash, will buy as it is, will solve all your problems at the stroke of a pen. Worry no more.
How much do I want for it? Or what is it worth?
Very different questions.
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7 minutes ago, tree monkey said:
asking for and actually accepting help is a thing I often struggle with funnily enough, happy to help others when I can but accepting help from others can be difficult, odd isn't it
I do find it really difficult, it makes me very uncomfortable when people go out of their way for me, I don't know what to say. My wife is brilliant at it, but she's a beautiful young chick, so all she has to do is smile and say hello and people are falling over backwards trying to help her (the other day I had a lady who I don't really know stop me on the marina and say, "Your wife is sooooo cute!").
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25 minutes ago, Richard10002 said:
Are you saying that the marina has a chandlery? If they dont actually sell a multi meter, my guess is that they would be able to obtain one from a supplier, and sell it to you. Definitely worth asking.
Where is your marina... as mentioned above, maybe somebody here will be nearby and could help, and maybe we could find somewhere that Amazon etc. will deliver for you to collect?
The chandlery lady is lovely and probably could order one for me, but by the time I've explained to her (very poorly), it's been delivered, and I've made a ham-fisted attempt to follow instructions on here, the engineer will probably be in a position to take a look, and then I've wasted the chandlery lady's time, all you guys' time, my time, and my wife will ask me why I've been spending so much money on voltometers and such that I don't understand, and I'll say that some older boys on the forum made me do it, and she'll say Oh really, and if the older boys on the forum told you to jump off a cliff, or start throwing distilled water around near electrics and batteries that you don't understand, would you do it? And I'll say, errr........look, I made a fire! And then she'll beat me.
I really appreciate the help, but I'd really rather not bother anyone, it makes me very uncomfortable!
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11 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:
You may be lucky, but most marinas I've even been in will supply the coal / gas / wood / firelighters etc as it is another income stream for them.
Yours MAY allow a fuel boat into the marina - you'll have to ask.
You will need a trolley to go and fetch the bags of coal / wood / gas cylinders from the marina 'office' unless you pay extra for the staff to deliver them for you.
Can you change a gas cylinder ? If not you will need to learn PDQ.
How will you get diesel, and fill the tank for your eberspacher ? It will be fed by the main tank that supplies the engine so you will need to move the boat to the fuel dock / fuel pump to fill up. Marinas are (rightly so) very strict on re-fuelling your boat from cans on your mooring as a 'few drops' spilt in the water can cover 100's of square metres in "rainbow oil film", and, a few litres from a dropped can can polute 'miles' of waterway.
Thank you, that's actually all good for me:
If the marina supplies coal / wood etc, all the better.
I have bought and changed a gas cylinder, I'm actually expecting this one to run out any day now.
I was planning on just using the fire for warmth rather than using the eberspacher - I did fill up the tank once but that was by just wheeling a couple of jerry cans back and forth.
I'm pretty sure I've lit the stove before - once I think, I can't remember, wife did it a couple of times I'm sure. I'm more worried about accidentally starting fires elsewhere, than in the stove tbh.
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1 hour ago, Goliath said:
What’s done’s done.
We all make mistakes.
Are you ready for the winter if you have to stay aboard?
I don’t want to teach you to suck eggs, sound condescending or be a doom bringer BUT if you think it’s shit now it’s gonna get a lot shitter if you have no heating come winter.
A cabin can be a lovey place in winter to read your books, listen to Melvyn and drink yourself merry IF you’ve plenty of warmth.
If you haven’t already, start making some preparations, whether it’s ordering coal or sorting/checking/servicing whatever heating system you have.If it means paying someone to do that then get it done sooner rather than later.
👍Sorry, yes, I really don't mean to sound ungrateful in this thread for the advice, I really do appreciate it.
I've been meaning to ask somebody about this (chandlery lady, probably), I assume there's a fuel boat or something that goes around, I have one bag of coal and I've ordered some fire lighters, if anybody has any info on the best way to provision for warmth in winter that would be information gratefully received (but please bear in mind I don't have access to a car). I have to get up really early because of work (around 4.30am), and even in September it's chillier than Mr Freeze's gonads on the HMS Noether of a morn.
Our diesel heater needs a service, I contacted the most local company I could find, and they told me they no longer come out to do services, you now have to remove the unit and post it to them, they'll service it, and send it back. As this thread evidences, this isn't something I'm capable of, as even I know enough to know that the unit will involve diesel and some form of ignition, so I would definitely die.
(and my plan is to be off the boat fairly soon, I need a couple of months wages in my pocket, basically).
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12 hours ago, Mad Harold said:
I really do sympathise,I don't live aboard (my boat is too small,I would only live on it if it was a choice between it and a park bench)
I do however spend odd weeks aboard and on a couple of occasions I have said "right,thats it,f---- it! That is not usual for me,but the last time was one wet and miserable day,heavy rain,cloud on the hilltops and cold.Had my waterproof jacket on and it was for about four hours and then I could feel icy trickles on my back and shoulders.
No problem I thought,I will put my diesel heater on overnight and dry my clothes.
Tied up for the night,switched heater on,and,nothing.The damned thing wouldn't fire up,just when I needed it the most.(Found out later that a considerable amount of water had entered the exhaust.)
Had my tea and climbed into my duvet,and found it soaked through.(I had very stupidly left the skylight open all day)
That's when I thought I had had enough of this boating lark!
I am still boating (just) but reading your posts,I can't help but feel that it is your lack of knowledge of boats and their systems that may be colouring your judgement.Perhaps if you learn more about boats and their gubbins (you could download Tony Brook's instruction sheets) You may modify your feelings.
There is quite a lot to learn about boats,especially if they are equipped with lots of home comforts,and trying to take everything in at once can be a bit intimidating.
Best of luck with whatever you decide.
Thanks, yeah, if I had any choice other than a park bench I wouldn't be here, and even a park bench looks pretty tempting sometimes, at least I won't die from noxious fumes, and I could stretch out properly......
We'd never have stayed a single night on the boat if we'd had somewhere else to go, the place was pretty filthy, we've cleaned it up a fair amount (inside anyway).
I do feel bad for my wife, she wanted to take the boat out but I vetoed the idea, and will continue to do so, as I'm afraid my need to not die of anxiety trumps her desire to go out boating. Maybe one day, for a holiday, after I've done a few years of boat therapy.
(we had a leaky window and a wet duvet as well, and the diesel heater is broken).
Really, I can't wait to just go and chuck the keys at the marina and shout "send me a cheque when it's sold" over my shoulder, and in fact, I have derailed my own thread quite considerably here and I would like to start a new one soliciting advice on what I should do about selling it - the truth is I'm a bit too effete for this kind of living, I like computers, tea and toast, Melvyn Bragg on Radio 4, I'm not a resourceful rough living type of person. Don't get me wrong, if Tony Brooks was my next door neighbour and said "Do you want me to teach you about boat electrics?" I'd say, yes please, because I'm sure it would be fascinating to learn about, but when you have to know it or you'll die, and you've already had it up to here with boat problems, I think it's past time to admit defeat.
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2 minutes ago, MtB said:
This is deeply sad. Whose idea was it to move onto a boat? Living on a boat and holding down a full time job is fine IME, but you're not doing a full time job, you're doing more than a full time job. 9 to 5, five days a week is perfectly compatible with boat living. 9 to 5 seven days a week certainly isn't.
It's not sad to me, I like working, it's the boat I don't like! So I'll just move off the boat - and unless I die some James Bond-y type death in a cloud of sulphur dioxide and exploding time bombs in the meanwhile, then no harm, no foul, you live and learn (or you live at any rate, as Douglas Adams pointed out).
As mentioned above, buying the boat was my idea, it was desperation as much as anything (had already lost money on renting somewhere, that fell through because travel plans etc cancelled).
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10 minutes ago, Goliath said:
Very honest of you.How long have you been living on the boat?
Have you travelled much?
For me, the option and ability to travel and get to lots of places out weighs any discomforts. It’s really a ridiculous space to be living in, a 7’ wide boat with cabins where I bump me head and trip up over everything. But I somehow love it. My space.
Think of the positives; winter’s coming and you won’t need your fridge.
Have you done a winter?Moved on to the boat in April, I've been on my own since July.
Haven't travelled at all, and like I say, I'm afraid that I'm permanently soured now, even thinking about trying to take the boat out makes me feel ill, you know like when you're a kid and you get really really drunk on a certain type of drink, and you can't then even countenance the idea of drinking that drink again? I feel like that about it.
I'm also extremely busy with work at the moment, I work every day (including weekends), and as another moorer put it to me when I talked to him about it, "Lots of people think they'll live on a boat and work a fulltime job, but most soon give up one or the other." Even with the boat moored at the marina, plugged in to the mains, with a shower block nearby, it still takes all my energy just to get through the day. I can't begin to imagine what it'd be like trying to take the boat out.
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5 minutes ago, BEngo said:
Paul Allen of Microsoft : "The happiest day in your life is when you buy your boat. The next is when you sell it."
Reminds me of the quote by victorian Prime Minister Lord Salisbury, "There are only 2 happy occasions for a prime minister during his tenure: his first day in office, and his last."
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How am I "generally dissing"? What does that mean? I have been called a drama queen, and I have been called rude. I haven't used any such insults (although I could, if you want).
And again, I really fail to see how "not following advice" qualifies as the "height of bad manners". It's called advice for a reason. If it was mandatory, it would be called 'a command'.