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What is your point here?

@rusty69 you brought this acronym into this thread. everyone has decided you’re young. How do you feel about this

I agree that it’s very difficult to judge. And errors are likely. But I wholeheartedly disagree that sex might be any sort of clue as to competence.

I’d really hope that the pitch of a response be judged at the responders’ assessment of the poster’s level of knowledge (rightly or wrongly) and have nothing to do with their sex.

Yesterday I went into the local plumbers’ merchant. I waited at the counter to be served. Eventually someone there shouted to another member of staff “there’s a young lady here…..not sure why…! Can you find out” as I approach 40 I found an element of compliment amidst the sexism.

Completely agree with you. The sad thing is, before that time women wouldn’t have thought they could have managed those jobs. Why? Because men taught them they couldn’t. At least they were given the opportunity to see how capable they were. Some (a subsection of) men have been doing their best to make sure women know their place again ever since.

Reminds me of an old hand me down Ladybird book from the 70s my daughter was given, about scuba diving. It contained a page with an image of a woman diving, with the caption “even ladies can dive” some men are very hurt by the concept that EVEN a mere woman could manage their special man tasks

They really really can’t, can they?

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My TL;DR of @BlueStringPudding‘s post: Don’t be a dick

Oh my gosh, if I could give you multiple greenies I would! Thanks. This, a million times over.

I do understand your perspective, I think. You are one of the more patient and knowledgeable posters on here and I can understand your frustration at times with the behaviour of some others. I think the older I get the less I am willing to stand by and watch others being treated poorly. This only happens in some circumstances on here, I’ll admit. Perhaps that does make me woke. If that’s the case I’ll take it. Point taken.

I think this is my point. People are more likely to be brusque online. And I’ve met some real life people who’ve found that tough, on here. And it saddens me because as a part however small of this community I am complicit in a behaviour that has hurt others. I am fluent in French having spent several years living there and going to school there as a child so I probably don’t experience the issues you refer to. But I appreciate that there can be challenging individuals everywhere. I’m

I am sorry if you feel I have been “woke” that certainly was not my intention. I apologise.

With that I totally agree. Advice from posters on here should be seen as a bonus if given, and gratefully received. Perhaps we aren’t too different!!

Thank you @ditchcrawler . I certainly did not wish to cause offence and it seems by raising this issue I have done so. A shame and I feel sorry I had brought it up. There are many posters on here who I admire enormously and whose advice I value; I have offended them and I regret this.

You’re probably right @Tony Brooks I apologise. The advice of so many does not go without my gratitude. I certainly did not mean to be unkind but merely to provoke some consideration. I am sorry for being unkind.

I take your point on board. I wasn’t trying to be unkind and if you see me as “woke” I’m fairly surprised but will give that some thought. Thanks for your feedback and apologies for any offence I’ve caused.

Maybe an age thing but I am probably younger than many. Maybe a discrimination thing?? I’m certainly not a snowflake. But I won’t stand for unkindness

I think it can be that kind of pub. I stay for the quality of advice and because I like some of the posters, and because I have a thick enough skin to tolerate it. I am very conscious that others may not be.

I’m not deliberately misunderstanding your reply, merely exploring it. Thanks for your clarification. I appreciate it.

Yes this is a real thing and I experienced this today when going to the local plumbers merchants. It’s much more of a thing if you’re female. How dare You know the name of an item you want, let alone its purpose. Anyway, it’s unpleasant. Why are we seeking to replicate it here.

@Tony Brooks i ask again, if I came into the pub and said; I have no clue about my battery can you help me, would you say to me “yes I can tell” Keeping my pub analogy. You know the kind of pub where you walk in and the door creaks, and everyone looks round at you with a wholly unwelcoming glare. is that the pub people on here want to be?

Agreed but this point seems to suggest an unwillingness to change. A shame I feel. I completely agree, your example “poster” is rude, as are some/many! Posters.

Yes I do have a lot of time for @MtB as I hope he knows! And didn’t mean to include him in my brush tarring. His post was accepting of the culture on here and my question was, should we accept this? It doesn’t sit comfortably with me. Maybe that means it’s not the place for me or maybe that means others are similarly uncomfortable and it’s time for a bit of a change. I’m not saying rules that remove banter and make it a sterile place. I’m just trying to remind people that the others on here are also that. Just people. Shit like the rest of us.