NB DW2
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8 hours ago, MtB said:
Would I be right in guessing it's you?
Not quite. I came across it yesterday when searching for videos on YouTube and ordered results by newest first. And I've no boat so can't live the dream/nightmare they describe yet.
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I'm assuming it's a member from this forum having read some of the comments on here concerning vloggers... 😉
Can't say I disagree with some of their points though, but not sure it's to the extent that video producers are a cult-like scammers.
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I'm struggling to find the link... is it the Aintree up at Frouds Bridge we're talking about?
What's wrong with a compost? Surely they're the easiest to manage, with you just having to bag stuff up and throw it in the nearest CRT bin? 😉
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10 minutes ago, Tonka said:
Is there a max size in your mind or will you go to 70ft. I know Calcutt have Iris Rose which was a live aboard and is owned by the engineer and I know Great Heywood have a Dave Harris 70ft for sale
Cheers.
Up to 60ft ideally but as little as maybe 50ft.
I'm not to keen on the Dave Harris but do like the Colecraft that Calcutt have up for sale - the only thing is that it's gas free and that's something I'd really not do without.
I've around £75k. The only stipulations are:
Must be spray foamed
No owner fit-outs
Ideally a trad or semi trad or a tug deck
Prefer stainless steel tank but not essential
Must have gas
Prefer a cassette loo but not the end of the world
Open to most layouts types and bed types
Decent storage
Obviously, condition and provenance help too!
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1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said:
There is but you are not seeing it.
Boats are selling having never been advertised, folks are registering with ALL the brokers they can find, &, as a broker gets notification of a boat 'coming in' they will send out the details to people who have registered with them saying (something like) "new boat coming tomorrow at 10:00, it looks like it meets your requirements, first here gets the chance to buy it, it probably won't still be for sale by midday".
Are your registered with all the brokers ?
I'm registered with the lot of them. I took a week off work last week to go at it. In fairness I had some success with a few brokers, getting the details of boats they were just about to put to market and viewings ahead of anyone else. But they just weren't what I was looking for. This was with Boatfinder Brokerage, Calcutt and Lakeland Leisure.
I'm registered with just about everyone and get the usual email updates. But I guess they're not needing to be in a position where they're having to proactively call people. Boats are selling regardless.
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Thanks for the advice, all.
I do still like the other Stowe Hill boat despite it being the boat equivalent of a Toby Jug in it's exaggerated appearance!
The search is feeling like hard work now and knocking the enjoyment out of things. I'm largely restricted to weekend viewings so miss out on anything decent that goes up for sale midweek but will keep on goin'. There's still not much coming to market either.
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Not had much time to update as I'm back at work having viewed the boat first thing and it's 120 miles in the wrong direction to work!
It's a lovely boat. Obviously well cared for and kept immaculately. I understand the owners' used it a lot but kept on top of it. Nothing alarming found - false bottoms of cupboards etc pulled out, everything's dry. Paint is in very good order for the year.
Negatives are the galley. It's smaller than it appears on the photos and not a lot of cupboard space. Same with storage in general for liveaboard use, it's lacking but I'm sure fine for leisure. And although it seems trivial, there's nowhere for a washing machine to go. I got one of the guys from the workshop over and he had a proper good look - the only place he reckoned on was removing the pretend stove at the stern but even then, not ideal and no obvious route for the water.
Unfortunately it's a no go I'm afraid and the search continues. Certainly not put off by a Gardener 2LW though. I did smack my head numerous times in the engine room cos I'm 6ft.
Was good to meet Bumble in the flesh though too.
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46 minutes ago, Tonka said:
Are you seeing the owners or just the broker ?
Just the broker I'm afraid. I guess they could put questions to the owner.
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Viewing booked tomorrow morning for Elidir tomorrow AM.
Thanks for the honest feedback and encouragement on the engine front.
Any questions you'd ask during the viewing even if they seem obvious?
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1 minute ago, BrandyMark said:
My advice having owned both modern and vintage engine boats is to agree in that your first instincts are correct, unless you have a good level of mechanical knowledge, stick to a modern engine. The fact that you are a live aboard or not makes no difference.
Thanks. Thought as much. Will keep on searching!
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1 minute ago, Tracy D'arth said:
I don't know this boat but the standard for later ( around 1986 on ) David Piper shells was 8-6-4mm
Mine was a 1997 and we think a Siveright. I know it was definitely of thinner construction and I was very lucky come survey time. There were 2mm pits found but the new owner agreed for for them to be filled using this:
It had polystyrene insulation and a gas fridge. The latter I would look to change if it hasn't been already.
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I had a Midway 235. I met and spoke with Steve Batty of Midway Boats and he brokered mine when I came to sell it. I'm fairly sure mine was of 10/5/4 or 8/5/4 construction, as mentioned by Steve. Might be worth checking out beforehand.
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Out of interest, given my mechanical know how is very limited to say the least, would running this particular engine end in misery and frustration given it'd be used as a liveaboard?
I had a Beta in the last boat and relied on paid help for servicing and maintenance, and had RCR for anything else. Are spares and finding somebody with the knowledge of this engine getting harder and harder to come by? Maybe it's better to play it safe and get something Japanese.
I've read bits about them on this forum. They're not great for charging batteries, so I understand, unless the engine is under load. Not a problem as I'd be marina based.
Thoughts appreciated.
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Thanks for the responses, all.
I considered upping the offer yesterday but decided against it. It'd be too much heart over head. I still like the shell despite it being a bit of a caricature of a thing. Certainly more striking than a lot of the more bland, modern stuff.
I saw the ad for Elidir as soon as it went live, thanks. I prefer it to be honest and if anything it shows Tarn as not being great value for money. I'm wanting something for full time liveaboard use so really want a modern engine.
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21 minutes ago, Athy said:
I assume that the previous asking price (five thousand more, wasn't it?) was also wanted, but not obtained. Prices are not set in stone. If you really want the boat, there will surely be room for negotiation.
I wonder how many people ever have the insides of their water tank repainted? Our boat, now 14 years old, has an integral water tank. It doesn't leak and there are no brown bits coming out of the tap. So we presume that it doesn't need any attention. If it was a drinking water source, then we might pay it more attention, but of course it isn't.
That's right. Previously up for £85,000. The feedback was, having had the offer rejected, the owner wanted full asking price. I said there was no more room for negotiation on my part beyond what I'd offered (the figure started with a '7', so not unreasonable). I had said to the broker compared to the Hudson they've just sold which looked in good order and was 5 years newer, and £10k less, the price is just too high.
It's almost as if the expectation now is that you'll knowingly have to massively overpay for what appears to be a good boat, or just overpay for an average boat. That's based on brokers' attitude and backed up by the way boats are being bought and sold so quickly.
I've tried to justify it to myself in terms of price, depreciating the additional price over say, 5 years, but it's still a lot.
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If it's anything like what I saw today, those holes are the screw holes into the deck, with the photo having been taken looking up from within the tank. The second photo is looking up and over the tank with the lid removed. I think.
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Just now, BrandyMark said:
Thanks for the viewing report. Did you by chance measure or ask about the draft? and did he give a reason for selling.
I didn't ask / check, however the RCD manual and a rake of other booklets/paperwork is present. I forgot to check.
The gentleman and his wife are 80+ years old and are retiring from boating after 46 years. He was more agile than some 20 year olds I know though - pulling up mattresses, cushions and floor panels etc etc during the viewing like a good un.
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Cheers. It looks well considering its age. The water tank, that is. Integral isn't the end of the world.
It's very top money for what it is even in today's market. That only my opinion of course.
I saw this a few days ago in person. Same money, beautifully built and immaculate inside. Very well looked after and equipment onboard is extensive. Exterior paintwork is tired to say the least. The roof's peeling etc. But it's 8 years younger. A very different kind of boat, granted, but just for context in terms of pricing.
The owner and his wife were lovely people to meet though.
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I had a very decent viewing, much of it accompanied by the owner. Plus points were the engine and cabin bilges - I've never seen such a dry boat. Not a single drop of water or even condensation anywhere, or oil and general crap. No sign of any water marks any where or any damp smell in cupboards. I have a good look with a torch. It's evident it's been well looked after. All the equipment on board was demonstrated to be working. The engine ran well, started first time and there's no smoke or fumes (3350 hours on it). Pumps etc are all fairly easily accessible. And there's pretty much all the equipment you could ever need on board. Storage is just about OK for a liveaboard. The bow storage unit is a very decent size and holds a lot, definitely a useful space.
The ply panels were painted white from new, so it's not a recent thing. Certainly no evidence of water staining. But they could perhaps do with a re-paint, if I was being picky. The water tank is integral which puts me off and hasn't been painted since new. That's a £500+ plus job. The exterior paint was done in 2016 - it generally looks well other than some of the red fading. The biggest disappointment was the windows having not been removed during the repaint - there's very slight evidence of paint run on the portholes. The bottom and sides were blacked in 2019 and the owner reckons to have had it done every 2 years or thereabouts (no reason to doubt him).
I made an offer, got knocked back and understand the full asking price of £80k is wanted. Oh well.
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Thanks, all. I'll let you know how I get on tomorrow.
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3 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:
I am so sorry if I sent you on a bum steer. I did try.
Honestly, no need for an apology! Your help was much appreciated! It might still all work out for the best yet. To be honest I saw the funny side. The first elderly lady resident I met was overly helpful and inviting considering my Bic'd head and appearance.
The only boat I incidentally saw which I recognised was Holly the Cafe Boat - one of the few tolerable 'Youtubers' - moored near Rugeley but it wasn't open.
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I took a trip down first things this morning and knocked on a few doors, with lots of bemused older people answering the door and unable to help, despite trying. The occupant of the last house I visited took a look at the photo and said the house and boat in the location was theirs...great, except their boat isn't Tarn. After showing them some photos they didn't recognise it either.
I rang Great Haywood - they confirmed it's outlying and available, but a same day viewing wasn't possible. So I'm booked in for tomorrow. Usual questions over 'how much have you got to spend', and the answer's always the same from me; I'm looking for the best deal possible (I'm not telling you my budget else you'll do all you can to max me out!).
They did remind me the owner is looking for the full asking price. Even without seeing it I'm not prepared to pay that, so we'll see how it goes.
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I've used Ricky Tropman twice. His surveys are very in depth, as are his written reports. He's happy for you to be there in person and will talk you through his findings once done, and will give you a gentle steer as to whether what you're having surveyed fits with the price you're paying.
Thoroughly recommended.
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Thanks for the input, everyone. Much appreciated.
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Posted · Edited by NB DW2
I looked up the website they referenced and there was no mention of vlogger's income. It was instead some sort of tax return company.
There are sites out there which estimate the income from YouTube based on views and subscribers and it's nowhere near £100k a month! That said, it's still decent enough to fund having a new boat built for at least one of the more prominent ones.