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OZEY

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    Bella Luna ( Buckingham 25 )
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    Shardlow Marina

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  1. You are quite correct in what you write, But I am at home and unable to travel at the moment, and as I have nothing to do I thought I would ask via this portal for my future move, Yes I have asked this before ( not on here ) and had sensible answers that is why I posted the question, But my question seems to have upset you all, so please settle down and I will continue as I always have.
  2. That is true, but as I have explained in my previous answer to Alan de Enfield the moor'er, more often than not along with the information required will give a bigger picture of real life at a marina.
  3. I have found that one gets a fuller picture of the mooring. and so a better perspective and other information is given by an experienced moor'er
  4. Hi Everyone, Mooring at Sawley at the moment, but want to move to Nottingham. Does anyone have the cost of mooring a 25ft cruiser as Nottingham castle marina. I could contact them direct but would like the cost from an experienced marina moor'er.
  5. As promised following the original question about a water heater, I can now add the reply from Kevin Tyson BSS Manager regarding boat examiners, any thoughts? Don't forget to follw page down We take examiner consistency extremely seriously and it is only when we have the complete understanding of what has happened can we take investigations forward. For the avoidance of doubt, we are not seeking the details of your friend’s examiner as no complaint has been made regarding his actions. We have only asked for details of the examiner who did not pass your boat. I will not be providing specific advice regarding your boat’s possible flue arrangements, but I can point to our published requirements. See my information below in together with the detailed Checks that can be read from the links on this page Regarding flues, the specific checks are on Part 8 Section 10. Reading all the checks in that section are important, so a full understanding is obtained, however I draw to your attention BSS Check 8.10.A. It relates to the very real risk of Carbon Monoxide (CO) which is a silent threat and a cause of serious long-term illness or of death. We have published some helpful reading and videos about CO and how to keep you and your crew safe from the risk of toxic fumes at www.boatsafetyscheme.org/CO 8.10.3 Do all appliance flues and exhausts terminate directly to outside air? A Check the location of all flue and exhaust terminals. Check for the presence of a canopy or canopy fixings where a flue/exhaust terminates at any part of the vessel which could be enclosed by a canopy. Appliance flue and exhaust terminals must be located outside the interior of the vessel and outside of any areas which may be enclosed by a canopy. Applicability – in the event a fault is determined take the actions described in Appendix A. Appendix A is a reference to the BSS Warning Notice The BSS Warning Notice should be completed in all cases where an examiner has cause to suspect that people or property may be or are in ‘immediate danger’ or ‘at risk’ due to faults in installations or appliances on a vessel being examined. The purpose of the BSS Warning Notice is to alert the owner or person responsible for the craft’s condition that an immediately hazardous defect has been found and secondly to alert anyone stepping aboard that they could be at risk and should take precautions. https://www.boatsafetyscheme.org/requirements-examinations-certification/warning-notices/ Therefore, what you should take from this information, is that because CO is highly dangerous, we have to issue warning notices to ensure any owner is fully aware of the risks. Noting all the above, you should also be aware that all Checks in Section 8.10 including Check 8.10.3A are Advice Checks. All checks marked with an 'A' are Advice Checks i.e. good advice that will help you meet your responsibilities as a boat owner for the safety of people aboard your boat, but privately-owned, privately managed boats in private use do not have to comply with advice checks to achieve BSS certification, That said, each one represents best-safety practice and we recommend that boats should meet all relevant Advice Checks. Any listed on an Examination Report may be material to the vessel's insurance and the boat owner's duties under the law of occupier's liability. Following incidents and accidents, not least relating to CO poisoning, the BSS is routinely asked for examination information concerning the boat by police, insurance and other investigators. We stress that a BSS examination is a snapshot in time and a boat’s continued safe condition includes having any system and appliances competently installed and serviced in accordance with the manufacturers’ instructions. Having considered the information provided above, should you consider that the examiner may have potentially, unjustly prevented your boat from having a BSS Certification, I will need the name of the boat, the name of the examiner, the approximate date of the occurrence and the location of the boat at the time. I will ask you for pertinent documents such as emails or text messages between you and the examiner, receipts or notes. I will then approach the examiner and ask him for his notes and records and supporting evidence and by looking at all the evidence, I hope to reach a conclusion as to the events that occurred. If an investigation begins, we may need access to the boat by a Quality Control Assessor for a full quality controlled examination However, if you choose not to go down that route, I will draw this matter to a close. Kind regards Kevin Tyson BSS Manager
  6. BSS Examination Checking procedures for Private Boats There are two types of checks. Those marked with an 'R' are Requirements, they must be complied with if a certification of boat is to be made. Those marked with an 'A' are Advice Checks i.e. good advice that will help you meet your responsibilities as a boat owner for the safety of people aboard your boat. Although privately-owned boats do not have to comply with advice checks to achieve BSS certification, each one represents best-safety practice and meeting them all is highly recommended. Any listed in the Examiners report may be material to the vessel's insurance and the boat owner's duties under the law of occupier's liability. As such, we recommend that your boat meets all BSS Advice checks. You can then be confident that as an owner, you have achieved a higher standard of safety. The above taken from BSS safety scheme web page, I underlined the insurance part as a warning to those who have advisorioes. Now I understand because it's written in the BSS that the Advisory policy could affect the safety of the crewe and boat also the insurance . BUT where is it writtten that different BSS examiners have the right to refuse to give one craft a pass and not another for the same condition/position of a water heater?. My mate was given an advisory, mine and was a fail, I have whole heartedly accepted the failure as a safety aspect with no sour grapes, So where is it written that BSS examiners can pass water heaters when there is an obvious safety concern due to fumes and exposed hot surfaces to flue outlets in cabins or hooded areas?, Surely if BSS rules are to be followed to have a pass certificate how can they be effective if examiners are not working to the same hymn sheet? , PHEW!!!
  7. Quattrodave The BSS is not like an MOT. The BSS requires boats to comply regardless of their age . While I believe the MOT test requires compliance with the standards of the time when the car was new . __________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Just to rejoin the conversation while I wait for the BSSs Reply. Could you for my boat and other boaters who find themselves in a similar quandry let us know where the rule, " The BSS requires boats to comply regardless of their age ", is in the BSS reulations so we can join the dots on a serious question. as I doubt the insurance companies will jump on any loophole not to pay out should an accident happen.
  8. THANK YOU FOR THE REPLY, I HAVE EMAILED THEM
  9. Hi all, Can anyone recommend a boat hood/canopy or whatever you call it yourselves, maker/fitter in the Derby/Notts/Leicester area. for a grp 25ft Cruiser, I have been given some costings which have almost doubled since last may 2020. There used to be an old Chap around 80year old near Beeston, Notts who transfered his business to a chap named John ? who was recommended, but can't find him.
  10. Thank you all for your replies, I have read and acknowledge your points. I have as suggested contacted the CRT BSS to clarify things, I have been informed that I should get a reply in a couple of days, I would expect my Examiner was totally right, I will check if the flue can be adjusted to be efficient. Taking the flue through the canopy I think would be awkward for many reasons. Moving the heater is an option but would mean a major redesign of boat interior. So for the moment things have not changed. I will post CRTs reply.
  11. Thanks for the reply, I had thought about that as a way round it, I understand the safety aspect, but if you take say take a vintage built car as a guide to a regulated and legal position seat belts or MOTs are not required. Bearing this in mind should allowances be applied to older boats, But accepting that safety is the utmost reason to remove the boat heater then it should be written in boat law, because it is leaving some boaters disadvantaged and other owners and their family/friends at risk.
  12. Hi All, I have a question of which I cannot find a definate legal BSS answer perhaps someone could 100% clarify it. I have a Buckingham 25, My mate has a Atlanta 24. Both have the same Paloma water heater specification and they are also fixed in the same position on the boats. These heaters were installed when the boats were built. My boat failed the BSS because of the postion of the flue outlet, My mates boat passed the BSS with a no action advisory.. Mine failed as, " possible hazzard of fumes " and, "potentional to touch the hot FLUE OUTLET with hands, etc". My mates passed with an advisory because it was installed when the boat was built. I had to reemove the heater to get a pass. The outlet of the flue in both cases are postioned under the canopy/hood on the shelf/ceiling by the windscreen. I understand the failure to be safe, neither my mate or myself has never had a problem as care is always taken. We had different BSS inspectors, but who is right???? My mate hasinstant lovely hot water I have to boil water on the gas ring. Ok now for another request as I cannot have the flue in its old position, would it be acceptable and legal to reinstall the heater and use a doglegged flue as per attached diagram?. Thank you for your interest
  13. Yes It was inside the cockpit canopy, I realised the danger of fumes and never used it without the side canopy panels open. however my examiner obviously took worst senario for his descicion. The Atlanta I had wanted to buy with a BSS had the same setup which made me wonder if my examiner was too harsh.
  14. Hi, Thank you for your advice unfortunately the examiner who did the last BSS test has moved and (possibly retired) and cannot find him. I did think the the current examiner was correct in some instances as I could see if someone did touch the flue outlet could get a burn, and fumes in the hooded environment, but my argument is, " how often and how long would the boiler be used just to get water to wash pots and possibly a shower on a weekender leisure boat? ". seems he was harsh, but to risk geting antoher examiner and another fee I did as instructed and boiler was taken out. Kettle and stove now!!!. Atlanta? will have to dream for now.
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