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Yes me too. I find it deeply uncomfortable being followed by another boat even if they are keeping a respectable distance.
I always pull over and stop to get rid of a following boat.
Same here! but a couple of years ago on the Llangollen in the narrow stretches, we couldn't do this. It was a busy time, and one-way traffic, thus taking turns for 3 or 4 boats to go through together, we had a following boat so annoyingly close, he was actually bumping our stern. "Slow down please" was met with "You go faster". We stopped and let him pass at the next wide bit.
There was a satisfying follow-on to this. That little delay worked out well for us. As it was busy there were no moorings available near the town (we didn't know this at the time - only later when walking to town - we could see there weren't any) - but it just happened by luck that a boat cast off as we approached (too late for the one in front) but perfect for us, giving us a mooring spot and we pulled straight in and tied up.
The 'fast' boat we let through did not find a gap and had gone to the far end to turn round - and came back half hour later having to go well out of town to find somewhere to moor - as we found out when we passed them the next day when we left early.
It doesn't always py to be in a hurry!
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Thanks for the replies, now that I have found them. I did not get emails to tell me. Being new to the site it seems I had to tick a box to Follow the topic. Thanks anyway.
In my case if going slow, and we often do, I pull over to the towpath almost to a stop to let them pass, sometimes getting off and holding the centre rope to stop our boat being dragged into them as they rocket past.
We do this because it is fairly obvious (to us that is) a 'hirer' is unlikely to know the finer hydrodynamic points of overtaking and boat handling (and perhaps experienced boaters on occasions) .
Although we tend not to wave 'racing' boats through when nearing locks. If they are in a hurry they can say so at the lock, and we let them through then.
Just a follow up. Is there a 'correct' side to pass. ie, always on their right, or always on their left, between them and the towpath, or between them and the off-side. You would think I would know afters years of cruising on my own boat - but I am not really sure.
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Nice photo of a speeding boat here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154020380578563&set=gm.1004796446271284&type=3&theater
Within reason it looks like two boat lengths to me. If 70 ft and in 30 secs, it's 's 280 ft/min. That's about 3 mph at most.
Not all that fast as such, but maybe for a bridge hole it is.
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Tixall Wide?
I've been there a few times but I have not noticed a winding hole in Tixall Wide. Unless you mean the wide bit in the middle - but watch out for mud - it is very shallow and needs dredging - you will get stuck.
but seriously more proper winding holes are needed and a ban on winding at 'unofficial' ones because someone (the marina owner?) does not like it, is a bit anti-social. If there is room, and it is safe and without causing damage, you can turn anywhere you like.
I will put it stronger than that. It should be a condition of CRT license that a winding hole be provided - and the 'cost' should be factored in to the benefit of the marina for providing one.
The basic question posed at the outset is '..where are they?...'
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Going too fast is a regular thing, accompanied by 'Slow down! being the cry when passing moored boats - but what do you do when out cruising at normal' speed when catching up with a dawdler - ie, a boat going so slow that even at 'tick-over' you catch them up.
Anyone who has tried to overtake a moving boat will know that it is nearly impossible without their co-operation.
If we are going 'slow' we keep an eye out for following boats and move to one side and almost to a stop - even pulling in and holding out boat on a rope - until they pass.
But what of the dawdler holding you up - oblivious to you wanting to pass.
What is the best way to get past? Any tips please.
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Saw one yesterday saying slow down baby on board, if they were that worried about its safety maybe they should remove some of the crap piled against the back door so in an emergency they had two exits available.
I pass moored boats between 1,75 and 2.25 mph depending on conditions
how do you know your speed that accurately? Just curious.
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Yes, once they realise they can't collect their commission
Well actually, eBay will get their commission if somebody actually buys it and pays for it - thro' eBay - by PayPal for instance.
The tricky bit will arise if somebody puts in a winning bid - and the seller reneges on the deal.
Unless the boat is for actual sale - in which case the buyer has to find it.
I've put it on my 'Watch' list.
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I have never seen anything like this on ebay before. Or anywhere else come to that.
As you say 'very inventive'.
I suppose if you are buying a boat you might look on ebay.
Technically in a legal sense, is the boat actually for sale?
and if so would it be yours - if you can find it.
Intriguing.
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Is it just me or do the majorityof boaters steam past moored boats with no attempt to tick over? Three in the past 15 minutes have made my ropes groan and the boat sway and rock quite alarmingly. Grrr.
Obviously a 'loose' moored boat will 'rock' about even when passed at snails pace especially if held by a roof mounted centre rope. We only use our centre line for short stops.
To my mind a lot of it is psychological. How fast a boat is passing is linked to engine noise rather than to actual speed. I tend to go at a sort of medium speed - the trick is to cut the revs when passing moored boats. You hardly slow down but it 'sounds' like it.
Here's a trick you can try. See for yourself. I have tried it out a couple of times myself. Go dead slow, until you reach some moored boats (with people on board) then rev up as you pass. .You don't go fast in those few seconds - but you get shouted at!
Then go fast so to speak, until you reach some moored boats, then cut the revs right back. You don't go slow but all smiles.
It's a courtesy thing I guess. Unfortunately 'speed' is something I feel will go by the wayside as time progresses. Nobody will bother to slow downs, and moored boats will have to get used to it. Sad but there it is!
The 'speed' aspect has given me an idea that I will raise as another topic.
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A lot of marinas seem to have "no winding" signs at their entrances, presumably because it gets in the way of their customers coming and going, and as any boat winding there will probably be partly on their land I would imagine such a notice would have legal force (the common law tort of trespass). In practice if there's no traffic there to be obstructed I don't suppose the owners much care. Has anyone ever been prosecuted for it? If so I'd be surprised.
Peter and FirstRateFirstMate.
There are no unofficial winding holes. All winding holes, those designated as such (and obviously no mooring), and anywhere you can wind your boat are official.
I say this on the basis that your license permits you to use all CRT water. So providing there is room, and it is safe, then you can turn anywhere. This includes 'private' waters such as marinas, boat yards and boat clubs, that you can use, but out of courtesy, with permission,
Without permission it could be trespass but not much the owner can do about it. Except if they do not want you to trespass they must mark the boundary, where sometimes a rope or chain is put across. But if there is still room then you can turn there.
Sometimes a sign will say No Turning or No Winding. You can ignore these for the purpose of turning because they have no authority.
There are times though when such a sign should be obeyed of course, and that would be where it is an official sign put there by CRT, and embodying a CRT logo. eg, Danger Weir - No Winding - C&RT.
However, the point of my comment here is to say a sign that says 'No Turning' has no authority. You can ignore it. What the sign should say is something like; Private Property, or No Entry, or No Landing, or Keep Out. That's fine by me, then if you ignore the boundary markers, the owners can sue for trespass if they want to. They would be perfectly within their rights to do so.
But they have no authority to say No Winding.
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Tragic to get burgled, and frightening especially if you were on board. We were burgled once years ago at our end-of-garden mooring. The burglar got in by unscrewing a whole window frame. We didn't know for some time because our boat is screened by hedge - worse - the burglar had spent time living on board it seems - and stealing things a bit at a time - luckily nothing of value as such - no inventory - just things missing at a later date when you next want them. Not satisfied with stealing, we found our boat spoiled by sauce and salad cream poured on the bedding and carpets. We took it all off and burnt it - and cleaned and scrubbed all the inside....and had hate sessions. The police said they think they might know who it was and gave us a crime scene number - but we never heard anything.
But at Oxley Moor last year we stopped to fill up with diesel and for a pump-out. They had just sat down for lunch. I said we'll wait until they had eaten their sandwiches. It was not without incident - they didn't accept credit cards, and we had no cash. They drove us down to the local supermarket to a cash machine. Amazing.
Let's hope your burglar is caught.
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Especially when it's to run a loud TV
Its the third time we've ended up mooring next to boats that run engines until 10pm......
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I'm a fine weather boater myself with a End-of-Garden mooring so I only go out for a few local trips and hopefully an extended cruise or two in the summer somewhere further afield, myself not staying more than an hour or so or less, to 'fill up' or 'empty' at service points, moving on to find an overnight mooring and maybe an extra day if the weather is bad (or maybe too hot), so I know very little about the problems of long-stay moorings, other than finding visitor's moorings at popular places sometimes blocked by boats the seem to be permanently moored.
It does not happen very often and is no big issue, but it is annoying when you find the 'blocking' boats (often empty and locked up) have overstayed the maximum time limit.
But would it make any difference if forced to move, because if it was a 'busy' place then presumably a 'permanent' boat would go and the space be immediately filled by a 'passing' boat - and unless it is me - not a lot of help.
The issue of a 'permit' (to stay longer) makes absolutely no difference whatsoever to the number of mooring places and the number of boats.The problem is a shortage of moorings (or too many boats).
But I sympathise with those expected to move on because there is an official time limit, when there is obviously plenty of room if you want to stay longer. I guess the option to 'apply' for an extension is a good idea.
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The strip of land for sale seems to be the whole area between the road and the canal with 3 houses close together at the end of a long drive. Who will own the remainder of the land not used for the drive or houses. Although having asked, it will be the builder who parcels up the land when selling each house.
For mooring purposes, if off-side mooring is allowed in principle by CRT, a license will not be issued for a boat longer than the garden - ie, a boat that extends beyond the boundary of the house and overlaps the adjacent garden - it seems there is not much room even for a small boat at any of them, unless the end one has access to the remaining strip.
It's all very complicated, and probably the reason mooring rights have not been mentioned in the sales brochure - and would a boat owner want to live/moor in a spot like that anyway. What sort of price will they sell for, bearing in mind £55k is not a lot for a price of land big enough for three houses.
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"Maybe this is a daft question" it's OK really! quite good by my standards.
But you might think my answer is daft. Me' I would use plastic labels. But reading between the lines, you don't seem to like them,
So stick some sellotape round the frame to mask it. Go over the panel with a roller repeatedly until all signs of the old name have gone. Get an aerosol spray for the new name.....or a passing yobbo would be happy to do it for you..... show them the name in writing....they probably can't spell,
Or as a last resort, follow the advice others have given
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Burn it off with a blow lamp, hot air gun, in the stove, in the BBQ...then paint it with an aerosol spray - it is so thin it won't chip or affect the magnet, Easy
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10.00pm ? surely you mean 12 noon today?
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Following comments already given it looks like your best bet is to stay at Castle Marina - sounds a nice place to me from what has been said - and you will be amongst other boaters who know the area and able to give help and advice if you need it.
But have you organised your home mooring? That is where you need to make sure you get it right. Good luck.
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If you have done the trip before you will remember the Thames is tidal up to Richmond and half tidal to Teddington and important to get the times right to suit the tide. And best to avoid mooring on the tidal section - so get to Brentford in in go. Are you going up the Grand Union?
I did the trip once a few years ago, and very pleasant indeed. (I lived at Hampton in the 50's in my schoolkid years) so we stopped there for a while.
We did however feel a bit stressed when looking for moorings for the night, There were a lot of places at first glance - and a lot of 'No Mooring' signs. And quite often you could moor if you paid a fee.
The good thing was you could go past the area you liked, picking suitable places (if any when late in the day, and then turn round and go back to the one you liked best. You can do U turns on the Thames.
It did however seem we had to make land visits to suit the availability free moorings - there's no towpath for much of the Thames - not a serious problem but worth knowing about in advance.
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Dogging - is that a canal term with it's own meaning? - Oaks Woods - Norton Canes ? is there something I don't know.
Tried Google and searched - 'dogging' - blimey! - the mind boggles - I've lived a sheltered existence it seems - unless it means something else boatwise.
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Used as fuel, I don't bother with drying. I burn them wet. It slows down combustion. I only dry them out for kindling to light the fire.
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Waterways World magazine publishes an Annual (with a map I think) with extensive details of boating things, marinas and facilities etc.
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As others have said. Litre is a volume. You can measure it with a ruler. Gramme is a mass. You weight it.
The distinction matters only for reasons of technical accuracy.
Personally, I would not worry because 10:1 is an arbitrary ratio anyway. It does not really make any difference in practice. Any combination of 10:1 mixture by volume/weight in your case will be good enough - as long as you don't get your kilo's and milli's mixed up.
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I wrap mine with coloured self-adhesive pvc insulating tape. Or if painted I use spray paint - too thin to chip.
What is best way to pass a slow moving boat.
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As a PS to my post just now. We had a closely following boat once - and for some reason sounding their horn at us. We thought it odd because there was nowhere to pass (narrow, moored boats and bridges). I actually stopped in the hole at the next bridge and walked back to ask what the problem was. "I have to keep going into reverse because you keep slowing down without giving any hand signals".....