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  1. Each of the four UK nations have got their own rules. I'm commenting on the rules for England as they stand, not as they may be in the future. There is much speculation in the media about the direction in which we may be heading, but it is just that - speculation. No confirmation from HMG yet.

  2. 33 minutes ago, David Mack said:

    If you can employ the boatyard where you moor to do any necessary preparatory work, then it is not essential for you to travel to fulfil the legal obligation.

    One could also say that, if one can pay to have all one's shopping delivered (or even get it delivered for free), as one can with all the supermarkets, businesses that have an on-line shop as well as a physical shop, etc., it is not essential for the vast majority of the population to go to Tesco, Waitrose etc., but that activity hasn't been prohibited, or even questioned.


    The legislation (enforceable) only says, "No person...may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse." It sets no limit on the distance that may be travelled, nor does it require the travel to be essential.


    The guidance (unenforceable) says, "...If you need to travel you should stay local – meaning avoiding travelling outside of your village, town or the part of a city where you live..."


    I was offering the OP a possible answer to his problem. It would be for him to decide whether, in his particular circumstances, that answer is appropriate or not. Since he has now revealed he would have a 4.5 hr drive to get to his boat, I wouldn't say it was appropriate, but it might be for someone living closer to their boat, facing the same situation

  3. 13 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

    But as been previously mentioned Marinas are not 'public spaces' so how can you justify visiting a "private outdoor place to winterise your boat", hardly :


    a) Public space

    b) Recreational activity

    I wasn't particularly trying to justify going to a marina to winterise a boat. I was pointing out that the guidance you quoted was so full of flaws as to be unreliable.

  4. 4 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

    Maybe this will help focus the mind :



    People in England now face £200 on-the-spot fines for leaving their house without a ‘reasonable excuse’.

    New laws to enforce the month-long lockdown include the power for police to impose the penalties across the land.

    Under the law, in force until December 2, no person may “leave or be outside” the place they are living without an excuse set out in law.

    The place where you are living includes your home, garden, passages, stairways, garages and outhouses.

    But it doesn’t include second homes or holiday homes, and the law has an exemption for people who are homeless. Protests are also not allowed.


    If the fine is paid within 14 days, it halves to £100. For repeat offenders it doubles each time, up to £6,400.

    Police don’t need to prove you broke the law to give you a fine - only to suspect you did so. That means you could find yourself fighting a fine in court.


    If you do go down this route, you’d have to prove you had one of the following reasonable excuses.

    And if you lose a fight in court, you’d get not just a higher fine, but also a criminal record.

    So it’s important you know the law. Here’s the list of reasonable excuses in full:

    • If it is ‘reasonable necessary’ to “buy goods or obtain services from” businesses that remain open - either for yourself, household members, or a “vulnerable person” or their household member.
    • To withdraw or deposit money in a bank or building society or similar business.
    • To “take exercise outside”, either alone, with members of your household or support/childcare bubble, or with one person from another household. Under this exemption, there must just be two of you in total - though kids under 5 don’t count towards the limit.
    • To attend a place of worship (though they’re only staying open for private prayer).
    • To attend a Remembrance Sunday event.
    • To visit estate or letting agents or show homes; view properties to buy or rent; prepare a property to move, buy, rent or sell; or move house.
    • To visit someone in your support bubble or childcare bubble. A childcare bubble is when two households join together for informal childcare for a child under 13.
    • To pick up takeaway food or drink.
    • To visit a waste disposal or recycling centre.
    • To attend work, education or training, or provide voluntary or charitable series, if it’s not reasonable to do so from home.
    • To provide care or assistance to a vulnerable person.
    • To provide emergency assistance to any person.
    • To fulfil a legal obligation, including attending court or satisfying bail conditions.
    • To access social services, DWP services, victim of crime services, and asylum and immigration services and interviews.
    • If you’re an elite athlete, to continue training or competition.
    • To seek medical assistance, including to donate blood, attend medical trials or take Covid tests or a vaccine.
    • To avoid injury or illness or escape risk of harm.
    • To be with a mother giving birth, at her request.
    • To visit a household, close family member or friend who is being treated in hospital, a hospice or care home (local rules on visits permitting).
    • To attend a support group, including for domestic abuse victims, addicts and LGBT people, or provide or receive respite care.
    • To visit a household, close family member or friend you reasonably believe is dying.
    • To attend a funeral or wake, or burial ground or garden of remembrance, though there are limits on the numbers who can attend.
    • To attend a marriage or civil partnership, but again there are strict limits on numbers.
    • To allow children with separated parents to move between those two parents’ homes.
    • There are also certain exemptions for children in care and those preparing to be adopted.
    • To visit a vet.
    • To walk or otherwise exercise your pet.
    • To return home if you were on holiday before the lockdown came into force.
    • To visit a close family or friend in prison.

    I read this site a lot, but, as I am based on the Broads, rarely post. But I can't let this pass without comment. It is incorrect in so many ways, being someone's loose interpretation of guidance from who knows whom. I won't list the inaccuracies, but urge members to read the regulations for themselves. They're written in plain English and are simpler to understand than some of the convoluted guidance that's doing the rounds.


    Just two particularly important points from the quoted guidance:


    1. "Police don’t need to prove you broke the law to give you a fine - only to suspect you did so." Totally wrong -  the regulations say:


    "21.—(1) An authorised person may issue a fixed penalty notice to anyone that the authorised person reasonably believes—
    (a) has committed an offence under these Regulations, and
    (b) is aged 18 or over."


    "Reasonably believes" is a far stronger requirement than "suspect".


    2. The guidance totally ignores a very important (to boaters) exemption, "to visit a public outdoor place for the purposes of open air recreation". A public waterway is considered to be "a public outdoor place", and all forms of boating, from paddleboarding to motor boating, are considered to be "recreation".



  5. 20 hours ago, cuthound said:


    Calcutt Boats have a windmill for their logo and specialise in BMC engines. 




    If the OP's boat has a BMC engine, then perhaps they could help.


    The engine is a GM 1.6D


    19 hours ago, PaulJ said:

    As your dial face/bezel  looks to be in pretty good nick  have you considered swapping just the internals over ? Wouldnt be that hard if its a standard size.


    If the tacho proves to be defective, it will be replaced with some other brand. I have a Yazaki hour-meter and VDO (also Yazaki-made, I believe) oil pressure and water temperature gauges, so the replacement is likely to be a VDO tacho, which will match in with the others.


  6. 5 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

    The Isspro logo has certain similarities and they make diesel tachos





    I know what you mean about the logos, been doing much the same myself.

    Yes, similar, but not the same, and what can be seen of the damaged label doesn't lend itself to ISSPRO. I wondered if it might be an old DURITE, but their current logo is nothing like, and the name appears on the front of all their current gauges. Of course, they may have have a different style 30-odd years ago, but I can't fine that either.

  7. 28 minutes ago, WotEver said:

    I tried a bunch of different search terms in an image search to find that logo with zero success. As you say, someone must know - the 80’s isn’t that far back. 

    Thanks for trying. I found a website dedicated to logos and trawled through thousands, with the same result. I'm hoping that someone, somewhere, recognises the logo, or has a similar gauge (with an intact label) fitted in their boat.

  8. As my original request for help in identifying the tachometer on my boat got lost in the recent forum outage (well done in recovering so quickly!), I thought I’d try again.

    The boat is a 1980s Bounty 30. The logo on the tacho is very distinctive, but trawling the Web for days has got me nowhere at all in identifying it. The label on the back of the instrument is sufficiently damaged to defy identification.

    From the revs = mph sticker, I would think the instrument is the original, from the boat’s days in hire. Neither the builder nor the hire firm remains in business, so I can’t ask them. The engine (which I also think is original) is a GM 1.6D.

    Can anyone identify the maker, please?






  9. This is a video of Norfolk Fire and Rescue training with throw lines in a mill race https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pm8PwjoyfQ&feature=youtu.be


    The benefit of using a throw bag is that, after use the line is simply stuffed back into the bag, ready for re-deployment. Less likely to encounter a tangle than with an incorrectly coiled 'bare' rope.


    This is the make of bag they were using http://safequip.co.uk/product/safequip_rescue_throw_bag/


    I bought one and have been pleased with it. Other makes are available. I have no connection with NFR or Safequip.

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  10. Both those were sensible decisions and haven't had any effect that I can see apart from on the individual business owners.


    I suspect that without such protection the Broads in 40 years (or may be even less) will not be as attractive to tourists as it is now. Even with the Sandford Principle much of Southern Lakeland is becoming unattractive to a large number of visitors.


    We get then now preferring the northern lakes where I am.


    I wish the Broads luck. I will probably never be there again so it won't affect me.

    In terms of comparisons, of the 15 members of the national parks family, the Broads is the smallest in area (much of which is under water), comes 4th in the visitor numbers league, 3rd in the number of visitor days and 2nd (to the Lake District) in terms of visitor spend. The river tolls paid by boat owners provides 47% of the Broads Authority's income. What ain’t broke don’t need fixing.


    Thank you for your good wishes.


  11. Lake District the lakes may not be navigations but they are heavily navigated.

    This is going well off topic, for which I apologise. Unlike the Broads Authority, which has a statutory duty to maintain the navigation, the Lake District NPA has no statutory duty to maintain the lakes.


    You mention the last 23 and 40 years. Well, just as a couple of instances, about 30 years ago the Limefitt Caravan and Camping site appealed against a planning decision. The Lake District NP web site reports that "In his decision, the Minister applied the sandford principle..."


    More recently, in 2013, an application by South Lakeland District Council to replace and improve jetties and a café, redevelop a car park and winter boat storage facilities, provide additional public jetty spaces and a boat/bike/canoe hire centre in Ferry Nab was refused, despite considerable support from local organisations. One of the objections quoted the Sandford Principle.


    The principle has been used in NPs and will be used again. Broads boaters don't need it and don't want it.

  12. It doesn't seem to have caused a problem up here during the last 40 years. In fact I have never noticed any change in the last 40 as opposed to the previous 23 (since the park was formed). However I suppose if you haven't experienced life with the principle it may be something you are wary of.

    Forgive my ignorance, but I don't know where "up here" is, so I can't comment on your situation. As far as the Broads are concerned, conservation, enjoyment by the public and the navigation are equally weighted, unlike in national parks where conservation is given priority over the enjoyment by the public (in the event of an irreconcilable conflict). There is no national park that has a responsibility towards a navigation.

  13. Do they allow CCing on the broads?

    Yes, after a fashion. There isn't actually any bye law that covers CCing. Subject to the normal toll, BSS certificate and insurance, there is no control on how far a boat may or may not travel in a given time. The only restriction I can think of is where to moor. If you have your own mooring or have access to private moorings, you can come and go as you please. However, if you wish to make use of the 24 hr free moorings provided by the Broads Authority, then you can only moor for a maximum of 24 hours and cannot return to the same mooring (or one withing 500 metres of that mooring) for another 24 hours.


    Although it is not common, there are a small number of boats used as live-aboards 24/7, which have no home mooring.

    Having lived the vast majority of my life in or very near a National Park I am wondering what they feel they need protected from?

    The Sandford Principle.


    If you read a lot of the posts and threads on the forum you will inevitibly read many from those who are just starting out in boating; perhaps they are seeking advice on buying their first boat, or becoming a liveaboard boater. Do you accept that whilst you might have deep reservations about many aspects of boating lifestyle; others don't necessarily hold these at such great a level, and are much more positive in general.


    Perhaps it is a time for consideration and reflection, and you might conclude that the boating lifestyle is not for you.






    PS If its just CRT, there's always the Bridgewater canal and EA/Broads etc.

    I am a long-time lurker on this forum, but, as I do my boating on the Broads, I just read the posts with great interest but have never posted before. However, to suggest that moving to the Broads will somehow avoid the types of perceived problems there are with CaRT is, frankly, nonsensical. I do not wish to hi-jack this thread, so please don’t jump all over me, but some facts need to be stated. All is not rosy on the Broads.


    The Broads Authority have just declared the Broads to be a national park, despite the fact that Defra repeatedly tell them that it is not legally a national park, having been incorporated by totally separate and individual legislation.


    There is a Facebook group called 'Protect the Broads we are not a National park', which has nearly 500 members.


    There is an online petition here http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/74305 that gives a flavour of the discontent (please sign it if you see fit).


    The latest criticism is that one of the members of the Authority was ineligible to apply for appointment, but that didn’t seem to matter to Defra, who appointed him any way. Details can be read here http://www.the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=48&Topic=36279&srow=0&erow=8


    I’ll now don my tin hat and retire to my bunker.

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