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I believe that is the normal way to specify it, presumably in accordance with some EN, but I too wish that sellers should clarify it when quoting noise levels.
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many thanks, I'll put that high on my shoppylist.
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there are so many batteries marketed as "sealed - no maintenance". However in many cases it is a simple matter to pop off the cover and then you can check the levels and maintain them in the normal manner. This particular range of batteries appears to have a cover that can probably be levered off. I have done just that with some of my batteries (electric powered boat - heavy cycling when travelling). It gives peace of mind when you can check the levels.
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Sailing is not the same as canal boating.
if you really mean sailing as in sails, wind etc. then there are plenty of forums where you could get guidance.
............... but the best place for advice is the sailing school where you are taking the lessons. most folk starting to take lessons will have similar questions and the school will be experienced at letting newbies know what is needed.
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13 hours ago, matty40s said:
Honda is the quietest, far quieter than its copy, the Kippor.
However, this says fairly quiet dB at 7 metres....
yeah, thanks. I too have searched the web - now I'm looking for real-life reviews like wot luggsy posted. .
7 hours ago, luggsy said:We have this one , 6 years old starts first time never missed a beat, has the bomb proof Yamaha MZ80 engine https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233716346100?epid=2255372599&hash=item366a946cf4:g:n~YAAOSwbc1fYzX5
great, thanks. I'll put that one on the list of likely candid dates.
There are so many gennies with good quietness ratings, but are they all based on the same test criteria? it seems that dBa at 25% load at 7 metres is the most often quoted scenario.
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I have found several 'incredibly silent' generators for sale, from a £190 2 stroke by Widmann/China, to the Honda 2000 suitcase at the opposite end of the price spectrum, with the Champion and similar somewhere in between. My use will be just as a standby to charge my batteries when an EA charging point is unavailable, while cruising the Thames in my leccy boat. Probably won't be used more than 20 hours in a season, but I do want comparative silence. Any recommendations?
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13 hours ago, hansd said:
hey, if you want more precise calculate about density of water you can use this one density of water converter
how many molecules of water are there in a cubic metre at 10 degrees C and 1 bar atmospheric pressure?
if we knew that then we could weigh a molecule of water and multiply it up.
........................ mind you, we'd need to know if there was any heavy water component (deuterium oxide) in the cubic metre we might have under consideration.
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not quite sure about the sea views and the sound of lapping waves in that particular mooring location.
more like being stuck between a housing development and a the hull of a yacht that spoils most of the view out of the windows - which would only be the view of other (much prettier boats) in stagnant water that depends on a bit of tidal movement (or is it behind a sea lock with no water movement whatsoever?) to clear away the inevitable scum and god knows what else that gets dumped into the marina when no-one is looking.
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I would take bets on whether the apparent proliferation of isolation switches (that I believe were mentioned somewhere back in time of this thread) are not all properly labelled as required by the BSS and the locations are not all obvious to the emergency services if they had to isolate all electrical circuits (which I understand to be one of the principal functions of those switches. (or would they see one label, isolate the power, and then assume the boat was safe?).
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27 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:
HMRC definition of houseboat :
For VAT purposes, ‘houseboats‘ are boats designed solely as living accommodation that do not have, and cannot be fitted with, a means of propulsion. If a boat can be fitted with a means of propulsion, it is not a ‘houseboat‘.
C&RT definition of houseboat :
A Houseboat is defined as a boat whose predominant use is for a purpose other than navigation and which, if required for the purpose, has planning permission, for the site where it is moored. A Houseboat may be used for navigation from time to time provided it does not become its predominant use
Legal cases : House boats:
Mew & Anor v Tristmire [2012] 1 WLR 852 Court of Appeal
The Court of Appeal were required to determine whether two houseboats ‘Emily’ and ‘Watershed’ formed part of the realty and thus constituted a dwelling house or whether they were chattels. If they formed part of the realty the defendants, who owned and resided on the boats would be protected from eviction under the Housing Act 1988. Both Emily and Watershed were connected to the mains services providing water, electricity and gas. They were originally built to be landing crafts, but were never used as such and converted into house boats after the war. They were once capable of floating, but now could only be removed by a crane with an extensive supporting cradle. Even this would be likely to result in damage or destruction of the boats due to the present condition of the boats. They rested on wooden panels which are supported by wooden piles driven into the bed of the Bembridge harbour on the Isle of Wight.
Held:
The house boats did not form part of the realty and remained chattels. Whilst the degree of annexation was not dissimilar to that in Elitestone v Morris, in examining the object of annexation the court was to have regard to the circumstances prevailing when the boats first came to the site. At this time the boats were easily movable and not intended to be permanent structures. The tenancies of the plots did not extend to the boats.
".......A boat, albeit one used as a home, is not of the same genus as real property."................... and a boathouse is ?????
I think you missed the point there Alan, possibly because this new format hides most of the post being quoted. I've just now edited my earlier post so that the relevance is more obvious.
I s'pose it would be like comparing a car-space and a space-car. Perhaps an estate agent just might understand the distinction even if he was not a sci-fi nerd.
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1 hour ago, Alan de Enfield said:
The houseboat has undergone an extensive renovation and is on the market for just £199,950
The boathouse makes excellent use of space and comprises two bedrooms, a large open plan living area and kitchen, a shower room, and a modern bathroom.
journalese or estate agent's ignorance ?
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8 hours ago, Chewbacka said:
Nowhere in the BSS does it say design drawings need to be a available. Sounds like the examiner was outside the scope of the checks.
nowhere did I say design drawings need to be available.
And by the way - a wiring drawing is not a "design drawing" on an existing boat - it is actually an "as-built drawing" in the case that the owner has any technical knowledge and understanding of its importance. If they do not have such knowledge then one wonders how on earth they are going to manage their boat as they cruise on the waterways miles from any help if things get difficult.
The wiring diagram is no more than an aid to checking the system - any serious deficiencies in the wiring diagram should soon become evident when a few random checks are made, whilst any deficiencies in the wiring of a system that has not been documented will probably not be identified by the examiner among the mass of unmarked wires on most boats.
Having spent a lifetime in the oil and gas construction industry I can assure you that it would be unthinkable not to have a wiring diagram for any installation, whether it be for a remotely or automatically operated valve, a cathodic protection system, or a full-blown pumping or compressor station - and one that was kept up-to-date with as-built revisions - to allow fault finding and safety checks.
Her honourable ladyship would have had no problems had proper professional standards been applied by the highly paid specialists who have dicked around with her boat's system from time to time.
Saying that the opportunity to refer to a wiring diagram is "outside the scope of the checks" is the viewpoint of a luddite IMHO. Do you suggest that luddites should set the standards for BSS checks?
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makes one wonder whether the BSS certificate for her ladyship's boat should be invalidated if the presence of hidden batteries was not declared, not known, and therefore not inspected.
my boat was certified a week ago and the availability of a wiring diagram and particularly evidence of how the isolation switch was wired up was critical.
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4 minutes ago, PD1964 said:
I’m sure the previous owner may disagree,
As NG says you look everywhere when you buy a boat especially in lockers. Your telling me that the nine previous electricians never stuck their head in to investigate? I find that hard to fathom.
exactly. caveat emptor applies, or should do for anyone of average intelligence, although I can accept that a genius (genia in this case?) might not feel the need to .................... (NOT !!).
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13 minutes ago, PD1964 said:
How can all these electricians miss these extra batteries then you suddenly find them after all these problems. How did everyone miss them?? 4x batteries in the bow takes up a big space?
Tardis, innit?
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as the owner of a lightweight camping cruiser with electric propulsion on the Thames, the biggest benefit and the raison d'etre from my viewpoint is the silent progress as opposed to a vibrating tonky tonk that just ruins the whole experience.
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On 08/05/2021 at 10:51, DaveP said:
Check the BS marking of the CO alarm - there are two variants, only one of which satisfies the BSS. See https://www.boatsafetyscheme.org/stay-safe-advice/carbon-monoxide-co/co-alarms-save-lives/
I think if you read your attachment you will find your statement is not quite true.
On 08/05/2021 at 10:31, Mad Harold said:Thanks Alan and Tony,that is probably why there was a push for diesel cars,less greenhouse gases.
carbon monoxide is not a greenhouse gas.
a diesel will produce more CO2 (per gram of carbon burnt) than a petrol engine (where incomplete combustion is the norm), so a diesel will produce MORE greenhouse gas.
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15 hours ago, LadyG said:
I won't be asking anyone other than Kevin Knight if I can help it. ?
ah! the valiant chivalrous knight comes to the rescue of the confused and hapless young maiden.
PS : is Lady G's electrical saviour actually Sir KK ?
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9 hours ago, Floating Male said:
Well I am a bit surprised by various comments, which really don't help.
1/ I cant rock the cylinders because they have clamps. (As required by BSS)
2/ Likewise a spring balance is no use, as the clamps in my installation are rock solid and cylinders wont move at all.
(BSS man likes this!)
3/ The magnetic ones are no use because you cant see them inside the gas locker.
BSS Guide requires cylinders to be secured against excessive movement (e.g. to prevent strain on the hoses), it does not require them to be clamped.
How would you propose to remove "clamped" cylinders in an emergency. When I had a narrowboat the cylinders were restrained by straps that allowed sufficient movement to remove the cylinders .............. checking took no more than a minute for 2 bottles. How often are you going to need to check the contents of the cylinders once you have got into a regular pattern of use?
Of course you are welcome to make it as complicated and difficult as you like, but making it impractical is self-defeating.
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13 minutes ago, The Happy Nomad said:
I can rember the day it was hit. Its one of those situations that you can remember exactly where you were when you see or hear news.
I also recall the speculation afterwards about why the fire was so severe and lethal ie she was predominantly constructed from alluminium. Unsurprisingly the media were wrong.............again.
However research and tests following 9/11 suggests that the fires in the Twin Towers were incredibly intense because the airliners (predominantly constructed of aluminium) involved burnt like magnesium, with burning molten aluminium dribbling from one floor down to the next.
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well there are several much more direct and simple ways of checking how much gas is left. Rocking the cylinder is the simplest. You soon learn how an empty cylinder feels. Or even a spring balance to check the weight. Or look for the level of the condensation on the outside of the bottle in cold weather.
Any BSS examiner worth his salt would be unhappy to proceed with his checks if he came across such gauges.
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Blimey !! The honourable ladyship's boat must be a real-life Tardis, what with its deepest recesses and hidden passages. All in a space that is presumably no larger than 50ft x 7ft.
The mind boggles.
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so sad ......................
What is the official duration of the mourning period?
When will the 2 minutes' silence be announced? I hope all narrowboats will cut their engines at the appropriate times and drift silently into the reeds.
is there a shrine planned for my local area (Bristol)?
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1 minute ago, George and Dragon said:
Why is a restriction on a specific date to carry out repair work a problem?
p'raps he's sitting high and dry on the mud?
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duly noted, thanks.