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13 minutes ago, David Mack said:
If you haven't learnt how to use your controls in 3 years boating, why do you think a day or two with a trainer will make a difference?
I've been using trad controls for a lot longer than three years. I think you have misunderstood my post.
Thanks for all the replies.
I think it went off topic from the start which always seems to happen.
If anyone knows of an instructor who can use trad controls then please dm me.
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2 hours ago, David Mack said:
If you are happy to take your boat to the furthest flung part of the system, by the time you get there you will have enough experience of using your trad controls not to need any training.
We have had the boat for three years and have lived on it for most of that time, experience is not what I'm after.
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5 hours ago, dmr said:
Do the course on the trainers boat with a morse single lever control and likely a cruiser stern. 99% of what you learn will also apply to your boat and some experience of handling a different boat will be a very good thing.
Many single lever boaters are rather scathing of, or intimidated by, trad controls. By trying both you will soon find that trad controls are actually much nicer to use and with a little practice give you much finer control over the boat.
If your engine is a JD3/BD3 it will not have the Huge flywheel of a vintage job so the handling with trad controls is really easy. Just a shame they don't sound quite as good as a proper a vintage jobby.
I agree that trad controls are more sensitive especially with a large prop. Getting used to the prop effect allows you to control mooring and entering locks but it doesn't always work. Also the ability to go quickly into reverse with a hydraulic gearbox can be a great help in an emergency.
I am sure we would learn a lot of other things from using a trainers boat.
However I need the trainer to use our boat to give my OH the confidence to steer our boat on her own.
We have a Gardner 2LW by the way and I love how it sounds, sorry.
4 hours ago, dmr said:They are really nice for a very slow gentle winding, set the revs to just above tickover and do every thing on the gear lever.
With a JD3 and a PRM box you can do forward to reverse at full revs in a real emergency but its not a good thing to do. Another big plus is that the controls are right where you need them, no leaning over and stretching to handle the morse control and tiller at the same time.
So true, especially the emergency stop, don't ask me how I know that.......
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5 minutes ago, Tracy D'arth said:
Correct, and Ford and John Deere share a common organisation and production facilities.
You seem too be contradicting yourself unaided there Felshampoo.
No but you are. You didn't read my original post where I said I had a boat with a trad stern and speed controls.
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16 minutes ago, Tracy D'arth said:
Nuts, you mean like a Beta Tug engine? Its only a John Deere tractor diesel. I used a 70' boat with a monster Ailsa Craig FR4 engine, 200RPM flat out, for years, rod and wheel, and moored it no problem. A big slow prop stops you faster and with less bank effect than a spinning egg whisk does.
Exactly
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24 minutes ago, Tracy D'arth said:
Sorry but I disagree, there is little difference when coming in to moor.
The same reduction of speed and precision of steering applies as does the allowance for the bank effect with any reverse applied. Perhaps you are trying to come in too fast and using lots of reverse? I moor with no reverse until parallel with the bank and close enough to step off, a little tick over reverse just as I leave, and stop the boat with the centre line by pulling it into the bank on the fenders I have flipped down.
I see no difference when using locks either especially as most with rod and wheel are full length trad boats where they fit the lock better in most cases.
Its just the same with rod and wheel, I have used both over the years.
Not sure why you think I am coming in too fast, surely it makes no difference.
Where it is different is that the prop effect is different on the left compared to the right. Also the depth of water with a deep drafted boat is different to a other boats.
I never use the centre line to stop the boat as it is already stationary when I step off, maybe you are trying to come in too fast...... 😁
9 minutes ago, Tonka said:Totally disagree. It is different with traditional controls but it is not because of the controls. It is because if the boat has trad controls it probably has a slower engine with a bigger prop and this causes the difference
Agreed the behave very differently.
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22 minutes ago, Tracy D'arth said:
There is no problem with rod and wheel, its just a different way and you have to remember to speed down before changing gear. You will soon get used to it.
That's easy for you to say but being my OH she ignores all my advice which is why I want someone with experience of these controls.
You have to be more subtle with trad controls, especially in locks and when coming in to moor.
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13 minutes ago, Tracy D'arth said:
The limitations of a trad stern for instruction will make this unlikely. The predominance of single lever control in boats will make it unlikely that any other system would appeal to the usual trainees.
There is no problem with rod and wheel, its just a different way and you have to remember to speed down before changing gear. You will soon get used to it.
Presumably you have or will have such a boat?
As they all claim to have years of experience I am surprised that none of them have any experience of trad controls.
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I would like to do a helmsmans course and my OH a beginners course. We want to use our boat as it has a trad stern with speed controls. Most companies that run courses seem to do them on their boats with morso controls. If they do offer courses on your boat they seem to either not do them if you have a trad stern or speed controls.
Does anyone know of anyone who will do them on our boat? We are happy to travel to them anywhere on the system.
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On 23/02/2021 at 09:32, Slim said:
May have something to do with the fact that some of us are stir crazy. "Those who can do, Those who can't, teach" (No reflection on teachers, my late wife was one)
I thought the quote was preach not teach, it's a dig at shaman not intellectuals........
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Won't the Lichfield and Hatherton canals be independent once they are opened?
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1 minute ago, ditchcrawler said:
They remember the few days that BW had loadsa money and the BW boss owned a Narrowboat.
Your being kind. I think most are ignorant of the history of the canals even as resently as the 1980s. Let alone the IWA and the state they were in in the 60s and 70's. I heard a podcast by the "Angry Boater" with another London liveaboard complaining about some old fogey from the IWA who stood up in a meeting and tried to put the condition of the London canals into some kind of context. They clearly had no idea about the work that had been done by volunteers only thirty or forty years ago. I think many of them believe the canals were all in perfect condition up until about ten years ago.
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On 17/02/2021 at 14:27, The Happy Nomad said:
I never realised the lengths BW had gone to in order to prevent future navigation on the Huddersfield.
Can you imagine the uproar if CRT started filling locks on derelict canals such as the top of the Pollington with hard core and cement in order to try and prevent their future use?
Makes me smile when people, especially on Facebook, complain about CRT and claim BW were wonderful. When you point out they used to set fire to lock gates, allegedly, to prevent the movement of boats and made dredging illegal it makes CRT seem quite nice.
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I had penicillin injections, which are a bit lumpy, in my thigh and glute when I was in hospital after an accident. I remember the nurse saying that a patient had refused and asked to have it in the arm and spent the rest of the day in agony.
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1 hour ago, buccaneer66 said:
Seen on twitter this morning.
When I lived in the states I visited Mormon country in Pennsylvania. I went to Intercourse and French Lick but didn't get to Climax............ bizarre.
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Saw this one on the Thames this year, made me smile.
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11 minutes ago, nbfiresprite said:
This is the latest update on the Middle Level Website https://middlelevel.gov.uk/navigation/
FURTHER UPDATE ON THE GOVERNMENT’S SLIGHT RELAXATION OF CONTROLS IN RELATION TO THE COVID-19 OUTBREAK
The MLC will, from Saturday 23rd May 2020, reopen all their locks and will allow vessels through them. The manned locks at Salter’s Lode and Stanground may be used by appointment only and, due to the requirements for social distancing (and the expected desire for boaters to get out and use their boats), you should not automatically assume that you will be able to get a slot at the time or even day you hope for.
Please note that that until the Government further relaxes the COVID-19 controls in place at present (unless your boat is your residence) you should not stay on it overnight.
I hope you find this generally good news and that you will continue to work with us as Government advice changes.
PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE FROM FENLAND DISTRICT COUNCIL
Due to COVID-19 and the closure of our customer contact hubs we regret that we are temporarily unable to issue tokens for the pump out facility at our March Sanitation point. There will still be facilities for boats to use the Sluice Room and the Potable Water facilities which are still operational as normal. We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause.
Yes, thanks, I saw that a couple of weeks ago.
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3 hours ago, ditchcrawler said:
Had they given her the correct amount of notice? thats the sort of answere you get if you havent
They asked her when they could come through that week, as Tina usually wants a minimum of 24 hrs notice but she said no.
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7 minutes ago, nbfiresprite said:
Stanground and Salter Lode have been open since the 23rd May for passage on to and off the Middle Level.
I was talking to someone yesterday in Bill Fen who said she refused to let them through. Told them to go back to their mooring. That's why I asked if anyone had been through.
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Has anyone been through Standground lock since the EA announced the waterways were open?
I've heard Tina is reluctant to let boats through.
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Narrowboat training on a trad stern with speed controls.
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Posted · Edited by Felshampo
I want the qualification for the insurance but we mainly want the training to give my OH more confidence.
Try telling that to my OH!