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  1. Thanks everyone for the very useful replies.

     

    It seems its a lot easier to buy an ordinary stove due to the odd flue size and rear flue. Would of been costly to weld up the bends needed to bring the flue away from the cabin walls.

     

     Going to go for a hamlet hardy 4kw as has a 4 inch top outlet flue. At least only one door, so Sister cant leave ashpan open and forget about it! I may even add extra fire bricks if needed.

     Want a proper cast iron roof collar and I'll buy a standard 4 inch boat flue. Plan to line it out in fireboard with an air gap and tile it. Need it very well installed as Sister has never had a stove, so I'll show her how to use it.

     

    Many Thanks. James.:cheers:

  2. I am shortly completing on a small 23ft steel narrowboat and am wanting to install a small multifuel stove. I like the look of the pipsqueak stove and wonder how owners find it? Does it stay in overnight? Any parts cracked? Any good small steel stoves? Budget £350

     

    My sister is going to use the boat for weekends so heating essential. The boat has a Kabota 2 cylinder diesel inboard. it runs and sounds fine. Any timing belt to worry about etc?

     

    Many thanks.:cheers:

  3. Where does the black heater hose that's connected to a drain off valve go to? Is it a feed/vent pipe to fill/vent the radiator/stove system or a crude connection for a diesel boiler? In both cases needs a less restrictive tee.

     

    I would keep the pipework and refit after as a gravity system is great. I have a gravity stove system and a webasto diesel boiler. I use the stove as main form of heating. The more ways to heat water the better.

    I have 240 volt 1.1kw immersion on timer for mains landline.

    Webasto 5kw boiler.

    Back boiler stove.

    Boat engine. 

     

    James:cheers: 

  4. 5 hours ago, Colin Brendan said:

    So i am now contemplating a steel stove. Needs to be 4.5-5kw. Preferably defra approved/exempt. Any recomendations?

     

    If not i may end up getting another squirrel.

     

    Thanks for the replys btw. Very useful.

     

    I have the now discontinued woodwarm fireview 4.5kw stove for 5 years and its brilliant but cost £950 with the optional boiler. I haven't replaced any parts yet, the only things that have worn/cracked is the vermiculite fire boards.

     

    I like the double glazed glass and stays 90% clean and stays in very well. The door ropes fit into a cast channel with no glue. Good airwash. Heavy build and very thick 8mm baffle plate. Riddling grate can be set flat for wood or open for coal.

     

    Used on ebay seem to go for £250 when available. Like the foxfire rated at 4kw. Or the new firewren. Not cheap though.

     

    James 

  5. Decided to give the above boat a miss and buy one more finished and preferably Midlands based. The one thing that was good, is we all agreed a fully GRP cabin of 25ft is an ample length if no rear canopy. (30-32ft with rear canopy)

    Looking for a boat now for up to 5K with working engine, either inboard or outboard, reasonable interior with a few interior jobs like multifuel stove adding or repaint or update galley. 

    Anyone know of anything?

     

    Thanks for all of your advise.  James:cheers:

  6. 3 hours ago, David Mack said:

     

    A quick Google search brings up several suppliers of cast iron gutters. Amongst others, cast iron guttering is manufactured by Hargreaves of Halifax, whose foundry is alongside the former Halifax branch of the Calder and Hebble. They also manufactured much of the paddle gear used on the Rochdale restoration.

    Indeed. These supply period gutters.

     

    https://www.rainwaterdirect.co.uk/cast-iron-overview/cast-iron-guttering-1

     

    James.

  7. 11 minutes ago, David Mack said:

    Can you get a BSC at the current location? Then you can licence it before you take it away.

    I don't know. Think yard just want it gone. See what it's like Thursday. Suspect total shell and strip out needed. Insulate, pine T&G lining. Just need 240v landline with garage consumer Unit, small calorifier with 1.1kw immersion for hot water. Later add gas hob, small oven. Possibly a electric mini oven with hot plates to simplify things . Find outboard eventually as main use a weekend escape for my Sister to stay over the weekend when her neighbours are driving her mad. Small multifuel stove like a pipsqueak for heating. 

     

    James:cheers:

  8. 32 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

    If you don't get what you want via Tony-The-Tug then consider phoning C&RT as they cannot refuse you permission to move it by water, unless it is a danger to navigation. (read para B again), their T&Cs of sale cannot over-ride the law.

     

    Maybe say, "having read the 1995 British Waterway Act section 17 sub-section 11, I understand I require permission to take a boat without a valid BSS by water from XXX for repair at ZZZZ, would you please confirm your consent ?"

    If I do buy it I'll phone CRT anyway in order to see if they know of the boat and I an get legal transfer of ownership 

    10 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said:

    Of course they could just refuse to sell it to him ...

    Indeed. It is a condition of sale. They want it disposed of.

    7 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

    They cannot 'un-sell' it once he's bought it.

    I'll find out the full facts of the circumstances of sale and why it can't be cruised away.

     

    James:cheers:

    6 minutes ago, Halsey said:

    There is also a (towing) guy works around Hillmorton just DIY painted his boat at streethay I just cant remember his name Dave at Granthams bridge will know Might be Pete? bad I can’t remember but boats and faces are Ok just names away from boats no good

    Thanks. I'll ask Streethay when they phone me.

     

    James.:cheers:

  9. 1 hour ago, Halsey said:

    I’m sure Nick at Streethay will know how if you end up there - great spot

     

    46 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

    In view of the short distance (1 hour) I would guess that they will still charge for a full day as the opportunity of doing a full-day job has been lost. The cost of transport is not simply the amount of fuel used.

     

    I would suggest that for the price of hiring a trailer, tow-car and person would not be much less than buying (borrowing, or renting) an outboard, and you'd have the fun of doing it.

     

    You do not need a licence or BSS to move it to a yard for 'repairs' as per the 1995 Act (extract of relevant section below)

     

    11)(a)The refusal or withdrawal by the Board of a relevant consent in respect of any vessel on the grounds that the vessel does not comply with the standards applicable to that vessel shall not preclude the movement or use of the vessel with the consent of the Board (which shall not be unreasonably withheld) and subject to such reasonable conditions (if any) as they may determine.

    (b)Without prejudice to the generality of paragraph (a) above, the Board shall not withhold their consent under this subsection to the movement or use of a vessel for the purpose of taking it to a place where it may be repaired or modified so as to comply with the standards applicable to it, or for the purpose of taking the vessel to be destroyed, unless such movement or use would give rise to the risk of obstruction or danger to navigation or to persons or property.

    I have asked about a mooring at Streethay and am awaiting a call back to see if they have availability. It would be a good base for my Sister and to work on the boat.  I'll ask about boat transport. Unfortunately the condition of sale is it's a seized boat (Presume section 8) but will ask and has to be transported by road as a condition. It is cheap and floating so a good start! I have emailed tony the tug boat to see transport costs and take it from there. We'll see what happens between now and Thursday!

     

    Thanks. James :cheers:   

  10. I'm going to look at a 25ft GRP cruiser shell on Thursday. As no outboard engine, needs to be taken out of the water and delivered 1 hours drive away to a new Marina and then I can get a BSC and license it and insure. 

     

    Can anyone recommend someone or a company with a trailer or the means of taking the boat out the water and putting on a trailer and delivering it 40 miles away and either putting it in the water or on the bankside? Trying to get an idea of cost before buying and now going to find a mooring, hopefully Streethay Wharf.

     

    Many thanks. James.

     

     

  11. How do they fix it properly? I presume dig out hole and refill with rubble, clay?

     

    Why not fix it permanently while drained and get it done once and right. CRT really do need in house repair teams and local knowledge of previous workers who can be called in on jobs in their area.

     

    James:o

  12. Make sure it's got plenty of ventilation. It's amazing how much heat comes off them. It could be staying on as it can't get cool enough due to poor ventilation. Pull it out and see if it runs ok. Battery voltage very low!

     

    James

  13. If it's one of the louvered windows 6.4mm laminated glass should fit. Available from glass merchants and can be cut while you wait. Just get the top and bottom edges edged/polished.

     

    If fixed pane with frame then 4mm toughened needed. Unless you can get 4mm laminated or Perspex.

     

    James.

  14.  

    Yesterday at 1 pm I unplugged the mains landline to my boat to see if my 4x Trojan T105 batteries and 380 watts of solar through a Tracer BN series MPPT controller could cope with the 12 volt fridge and the 12 volt under counter freezer and other items like TV, phone charging, mifi, and floor standing fan.

     

    I had the tv on all evening from 6-11pm and tried the tv on 12 volt and mains by a Victron combi and seemed to make no difference.

    Did note with inverter on and tv on standby, phone charging and mifi charging I was using 2.7AH I presume 1A was Inverter losses? Note if saving power turn inverter off.

    Needed the invertor on as had floor standing fan on all the time and charging phone/ using old Toshiba satellite laptop as battery dead years ago.

    Voltages remained quiet stable at around 12.5-6 and rose and recovered as fridge/freezer turned off. I was using 10-15AH per hour according to my BM2 and at night anything from 4-9.2ah for just the 12volt fridge and freezer.

     

      at 5am this morning the voltage was 12.4volts and rose with the sunshine. Believe I should not let battery voltage go below 12.2 volts. With fan, laptop and fridge going I'm now reading 12.8 -13 volts at the solar controller and Nasa BM2. Getting 11A from solar atm.

     

    I'm pleased with my electrical upgrade but may buy a new 12 volt fridge, to a larder fridge as it spends a long time on. At least 40 minutes in an hour period. Its an ancient inlander of either 1998 or 2002 vintage. A fellow boater has a shoreline which hardly runs and seems much more efficient. As I have a good inverter I could just buy a good mains fridge? Or as it all seems to work don't bother.

     

    James:cheers:

     

     

     

     

  15. 1 hour ago, mrsmelly said:

    Yes they are vastly superior to  narrow boats its just the idiots a few years ago built a load of seven feet wide locks and buggered it all up. I think we may one day go back to a sensible beam boat but at present still doing large cruising area so we have no choice ? Will be in your neck of the woods in a month or twoish.

    Indeed. Mooring fees aren't cheap for a wide beam around 3.5k a year. Would love a river bank mooring somewhere in the Midlands!

    Hopefully in a month or 2 I'll be out Cruising so may meet out on the cut:cheers:

    James:)

     

  16. 2 hours ago, mrsmelly said:

    I agree re the widebeam being cooler, ours certainly was a more comfortable space in the summer and with bigger doors front and back the air flow is greater................dont get me started about the huge sofa............4 foot shower...............proper bed.................large kitchen....................?

    I would like one!

     

    Could just afford a Collingswood sailaway 10 x 55ft and only 15k to start the fit out but would skint me out. Have to move from current Marina as not a wide canal and extra licence and costs. Camping in it while fitting out wouldn't bother me. Ideal really would be to have the boat on land at a boatyard as no licence needed and just storage costs. Love something 11ft by 55ft. There is a few used ones around 55k so probably easier to buy used.

     

    James:cheers:

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  17. I totally agree!

     

    I wonder if they even hired a boat to see what life was like on board. If they did probably a pump out!

    I like my C200 loo. Sounds as if they did no research into boat types, bed designs and loos.

     

    I certainly don't have sleepless nights thinking of the boat rotting. I mean there is more to life than worrying what might happen. Enjoy "the now" I believe and worry about what may be when, or if it does happen!

    I do the regular blacking and do repairs myself.

     

    Like anything even bricks and mortar needs maintenance every now and then. 

     

    James:)

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