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This is the last I will say on the subject as its getting daft and everybody is no doubt getting board.
I'm not put out that your knocking HMG. Its part of life - everyone has their own prefferances.
I do happen to disagree with your view on the undercoats so we will have to agree to differ on that one.
I haven't argued black is white (tried that earlier in the year to amusing affect but thats another story). And I am not aware that we had crossed swords before.
I will however offer an apology if you felt that my original post was questioning your competency. The undertone was there and it was perhaps a litte childish of me. So sorry. If you want to continue this discussion I will be happy to do so via a PM. For now lets just get back to doing whatever it is we do on here.
My login is RADIO-GA-GA a reference to my passion for ham radio rather than GA-GA that means something else.
Something I'm as guilty of as anybody is forgeting that behind each post is a real person with feelings, sometimes things can be said in response to a few lines of text that would be said in a completely different way in a face to face converstion.
As the new guy in the room eveybody remembers you where it takes time for you to remeber them, and yes we have had a little tiff before
Apology fully accepted, 'tho if we can't be boring or squabble there probably would't be much to say
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Hi Phil,
A good post that saved somebody from some more tongue lashing he seemed put out that I was knocking HMG, not the case at all. Most refinishers see synthetic paint as a problem solver not a first choice, where a non standard paint has previously been used and the cost of stripping or isolating is prohibitive, having made the decision to use a synthetic to avoid a reaction its pretty infuriating when the paint reacts with its own primer/undercoat. When a paint problem occurs the manufacturer has the get-out that use of their product is outside their control and particularly when the user is a one off purchaser would never admit liability.
You are without doubt a highly skilled man, but from time to time you have to don a paint suppliers hat, I’ve used A1242 after it reacted but clearly once bitten, I acted on HMG’s own advice and extended the drying time, knowing a refinisher who had a reaction with KX, less severe but a reaction no less, that can also be prevented by extending the drying time it is reasonable to group them together. Differently marketed HMG paints have had their problems too, even when applied by a professional boat painter and if someone had said “if you apply that topcoat today it might blister but if you wait till tomorrow it’ll probably be ok would they have carried on and ended up having to repaint it?. My advice on HMG undercoat remains good regardless of what colour tin it comes in, waiting an extra day with certain types is a lot easier than the possibility of having to spend days rectifying. As far as HMG’s service goes no problem, they are probably the only company I’ve ever dealt with that say “we will ring you back” and do, every time.
Out of interest HMG’s own suggested undercoat is synthetic high opacity undercoat; DG142, rather than KX which is sold as an undercoat/primer.
As we both hold HMG products in high regard, it makes you wonder how this debate got started. Oh yes somebody called black white again, I recall telling him they did, but don’t recall saying its compulsory.
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I have no axe to grind with you.
I have a different data sheet for that product
So calm down
Yes they do have a limited colour range but KX is an any colour product
To date shown to be incorrect? I'm not aware that I have.
You are on here giving advice but maybe it would be nice if people new who you are and what your experience is. Me and Phil are both known to be from Craftmaster so we have the technical back up of HMG and Phils extensive experience
I am not trying to antagonise you I am curious to you background and the basis of you advice to others.
Oh and Next time could you just post a link to the data sheet? Cos they are very long after all.
Twice I've written extensive responses to this and lost my mobile connection so this has to be quick.
my experience has been declared in other painting threads including at least one you posted in, nothing hidden, and will post again when I move location
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Interesting view. Your correct on the drying/overcoating of A1242 in stating 18hours. However the TDS for KX says 16 hours drying time but can be overcoated within 6hours. Where did you get 24 hours from?
A1242 or KX are fine under Coach Enamel and I have never heard of them reacting with Coach Enamel unless there is an underlying problem. Less than 1% of problems with paint are due to the product itself. Its usually a mix of environmental and application issues
The limitations of A1242 and DG142 is that I believe they are only made in specific colours from Distributors. If you wished for a matching undercoat for your top coat you may not get a close enough match
Who's been selling C71 as Coach Enamel then cos thats a bit naughty?
For the record neither I nor Phil have ever found much wrong with HMG's data sheets so its interesting you have encountered problems. I would strongly advise anyone using a HMG product to pay close attention to the data sheets or if using a Craftmaster product to use our data sheets (or ring Phil he's better than a datasheet). If used correctly and in the correct environment most information on the sheet should be fairly accurate
Phil has a bit to say on this subject and has much greater knowledge than me but hes sadly trapped in tinternet limbo up in tartan country. He's going to brave the locals and attempt reconection with the world on Friday at some point!
HMG Paints Ltd
One name that covers everything Riverside Works, Collyhurst Road, Collyhurst
Manchester, England, M40 7RU
Tel: 0161 205 7631 / Fax: 0161 205 8823
www.hmgpaint.com / sales@hmgpaint.com
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PRODUCT NAME
KX Undercoat
ISSUE DATE
22/9/2005
PRODUCT CODE
PRIKX
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PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
A high build Polyurethane Alkyd undercoat that offers excellent wet edge characteristics and superb topcoat holdout.
It has been formulated for use under all HMG Synthetic topcoats, and is available in a range of colours complimentary to the top coat.
MAXIMUM VOC CONTENT (RFU)
0.456kgs/ltr
REGULATIONS / COMPLIANCE
• 2004/42 IIB © 540
COLOUR RANGE
Available in a wide colour range including RAL & BS shades
TECHNICAL INFORMATION
COVERAGE FLASHPOINT STORAGE
14 square metres per litre 38°C 12 months in original sealed containers
CLEANING
Ensure surfaces to be coated are dry and free from all traces of contaminants.
HMG produce a full range of cleaners, silicone removers, degreasers and preparatory cleaners suitable for the cleaning process.
Please refer to our website for Knowledge Base article Prep-Cleaning Techniques (KNB0009) and Preparatory Cleaners from the Product Guide.
SURFACE PREPARATION
Please refer to Knowledge Base for details on Surface Preparation.
SUGGESTED PRIMER / FILLER / SEALER SYSTEMS
2K Etch Primer High Build Washfiller; Synthetic BDX Primer.
HEALTH AND SAFETY
Refer to MSDS and tin label prior to use.
Suitable respiratory equipment should be worn when spraying.
APPLICATION METHODS BRUSH COMPLIANT SPRAY GUN PRESSURE POT
MIXING RATIO
Base 10 10 10
Thinner up to 0.5 up to 1 up to 0.5
THINNER OPTIONS 2611 2612 2611 2612 2611 2612
VISCOSITY 25-35 seconds DIN4 25-35 seconds DIN4
SPRAY GUN SETUP 1.8 1.2-1.4
NUMBER OF COATS 2 coats 2 full coats 2 full coats
FLASH OFF 15 mins between coats 15 mins between coats
DRYING TIME
Touch dry Hard dry
3hrs @20°C 16hrs @20°C
RECOATABILITY / OVERCOATING
Min 24 hrs depending on build & temp. Surface should be de-nibbed prior to overcoating.
WET FILM THICKNESS
100 microns
DRY FILM THICKNESS
55 microns
This information relates only to the specific material designated and may not be valid for such material used in combination with any other materials or in any process. Such information is to the best of HMG's knowledge and belief accurate and reliable as of the date indicated. However, no representation, warranty or guarantee is made as to it's accuracy, reliability or completeness. It is the user's responsibility to satisfy themselves as to the suitability and completeness of such information for their own particular use. For professional use only.
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Drying times? limited colour range?
Your aspersions relating to my posts are becoming a little irritating, especialy as to date they have been shown to be incorrect!
I have not had a reaction between KX and coach enamel though a friend in the refinishing trade has, I have had a severe reaction with A1242 and coach enamel, HMG identified the problem as inadequate drying time, even though it had been 24 hours, and after replacing the products and supplying my next order free, advised "at least 40 hours if the temp was below 20c for any of the 18 hours drying time" hence 2 days is what I recomended.
Nobody has passed off C71 as coach enamel, but it has been offered to me at a trade counter as "it's the same as"
Some of HMG's data sheets don't differentiate between brushing and spraying applications and give flash times between coats that are fine when spraying, but are IMO inapropriate when brush painting.
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Following a couple of PMs some more information on HMG paint
These are products that in my opinion have the properties most people expect when painting a steel boat with overcoating times (minimum)
Coach enamel - 24 hours
DG142 Synthetic high opacity undercoat - 8 hours
BDX Synthetic primer - 4 hours
2611 Thinner - spraying
2612 Thinner - brushing
There are other undercoats that offer different properties, A1242 undercoat and KX undercoat/primer, both of these prevent the top coat sinking into the undercoat and will give a higher gloss finish BUT beware of the drying time, HMG state minimum 18/24 hours respectively, it's not long enough! In my experience they need 2 days or they can and will produce a craze type reaction with coach enamel. I would advise any DIY painter to avoid them.
C71 speedline is not the same as coach enamel; don’t let the paint counter guy tell you it is.
When brush painting large areas, ignore all, light coat - flash - full coat times on HMG data sheets they can't be met, just apply in single full coats.
Coach enamel is available in RAL and BS colours as well as many car/commercial colours.
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See post 6
They fit on plastic pipe connectors not a BSP waste outlet, different thread.
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you still don't need a trap
Back to the original question, what connector would you use to connect a 3/4 hose directly to a 1 1/2 waste?
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Not with a pump on the end
you still don't need a trap
The smell comes up in a house because the waste empties into a drain. In this case its going through a pump to fresh air, no source of smell.
Sorry removed my post after it doubled, but before seeing your post,
A trap is common sense before a pump it will hold any small metal objects that often find their way into sink wastes. The pipe itself may become smelly.
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Edited to remove post. Spent so long on something else and didn't re-load the topic and double posted with Tomska
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If it's 1 1/2"
Aquatics Warehouse
Solvent Weld Hose Reducer.
This handy Hose conector will glue into standard 1 1/2 inch solvent weld couplings ( Polypipe etc.) eg tank connectors, elbows and straight connectors and you can then connect flexible pipe up from 1/2 in to 1 1/2 inch
£2.45
Edited to add: use a standard trap and short length of 1 1/2" polypipe with elbow or straight connector for the above to fit into.
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Keeping up's dongle threw a wobbly he says. Threads merged.
Nick
That wiil teach him to tighten his own nuts in future
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Popcorn, anyone?
MP.
Two of your largest please!
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Thank you all very much
Quite an overhead for 24 hour running!
Colin
Could be barking up the wrong tree, and 180W seems a lot for a freezer fridge/freezer that might be used on a boat, but if that's what the calculation is for, it might be more accurate to base your calculation on the makers quoted KWh/year?
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I suspect that the 'Narrowboat Paint' marketed by 'Rapid Paint' is also manufactured by the HMG company and this product is aggressively marketed on the basis that they can match the colours and quality of the 'Craftmaster' range as well as all those of other manufacturers including International.
Midland Chandlers also market their own brand of boat paints with containers and labels that look remarkably similar to HMG products . . .
As your first choice is craftmaster, if you are happy with it your best bet is to stay with what you know.
Vehicle refinishing suppliers who supply HMG coach paint usualy stock a range compatible HMG primers and undercoats, they are often unaware of the different properties of these products and will happily supply DIY customers with products that may not give the expected result or when applied in the wrong time frame can cause dissasters such as reactions. If you or anyone else decides to use HMG rather than narrowboat paint at twice the price wants more info I'll post some.
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Oh no, I believe The Sport. It's just media journalists I distrust...
Tony
They couldn't afford implants AND journalists, so decided on whoppers all round.
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You'd believe the ramblings of a newspaper media journalist? They understand half of what they're told, retain half of that, and have an attention span that barely covers a tweet.
But on this occasion he's (almost) right
There's no 'set' date as I said before, and just because Carter says that 50% should be the trigger doesn't mean it would be (as I said before).Tony
You don't believe what papers print? Obviously not a daily sport reader!
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So yes they're still talking about it, but no I don't believe it'll happen.
Tony
A quick google just found this, some good news for a change.
By James Lyons 9/07/2010
About 120 million radios have been saved after ministers agreed not to turn off FM and medium wave channels while listeners are still tuning in.
Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology/20.../#ixzz0wHpCy04C
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You won't even be able to do that with your old tranny soon if OFCOM get their way...
Tony
Are they still talking about switching most stations to DAB? Thought they might have given up with the broadcasters in the main not wanting to.
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OK, how about this...
Motorised HD Satellite Kit for Digital TV £179.99 Order Code: B07LZ available at Maplins plus free delivery.
Mick
I know noting about motorised dishes, but don't these type have to be set for each position, then will return to the pre-sets via reciever, rather than being self seeking? If so not much use on a boat, but only guessing so that could all be rubbish.
But you're realy aiming these ideas at the wrong person, as one of the minority on this forum who has no difficulty setting up their dish and has no issue with boat movement causing problems, the only worthwhile upgrade would be a self seeking system, but thats loads of money, and you still need a sat nav to make sure you moor in the right spot. Mind you the way things are going, more channels but less worth watching, maybe going back to radio with a coat hanger aerial would be an upgrade, but you can't even do that with a modern coat hanger!
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As for 'cigar lighter sockets' I have never liked them, they do not make good connections.
I much prefer the Din type. They actually click into place.
Agreed, tho they seem pretty popular so thought the fused type plug worth a mention, I only have one, near the door for plugging a sat nav into.
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In my experience if you run a very stout cable that can easily carry (say) 50 amps, and fuse it at 20 amps, you do have to be rather careful about what you plug into the end of it.
Whatever that is is unlikely to have cabling on it that will pass 20 amps continuously, (or more, as many 20 amp fuses will happily pass quite a lot more), so there is a good chance of your supply being able to supply enough current to melt wires on your attached device, without the fuse being blown, (if a fault condition has developed).
Don't ask me how I know this, though.
Out of interest if you use cigar lighter type sockets, plugs are available that have a glass fuse to protect the cable after the socket.
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So are you saying that a boathouse it better than a houseboat?
Tony
In general I'd go with the housboat, but in this case the boathouse is the safest bet.
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Anyone tried mounting a satellite antenna on a gimbal?
Shipboard compasses, stoves and even drink holders typically use gimbals to keep them upright with respect to the horizon despite the ship's pitching and rolling. So its possible that a gimbal mount should be able to dampen out any movement.
Best idea yet, but too late, everbody followed earlier advice and bolted boat to house, apart from a few who got confused and sank after bolting house to boat.
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So what? none of this is answering the OPs question. It is very easy to interpret the manual and what it really means with just a little sense and knowledge.
So as I said before why not just let it go?
Nobody likes to be told the're wrong when the're not, the reason we are having this "debate" is because Beta's oil specification is open to interpretation, it shouldn't be, it should be clear to anybody, from somebody doing their first oil change to the guy selling the oil, and to do that all they needed to do was stick to API specification.
Beta say:
"Engine oil quality should have the minimum properties of the American Petroleum Institute “API” classification CF (CD, or CE)."
A minumum of CF followed by (CD or CE) which one is it? then confuse even more by stating Do not use ‘Turbo Diesel Oil’ after saying a minumum of CF? or was it (CD orCE)?
What I think Beta indended to say is
"choose an oil with a minimum api specifation of CD and a maximum of CF"
If that's what you think they indended to say why didn't they, and why did we need to debate it?
Thats it, I'll let it go now.
Edited to complete unfinished post due to lost signal, again!
Beta 35 Alternator Bracket
in Boat Building & Maintenance
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Bolts broken like this can sometimes be removed with plenty of releasing oil, plus gas? and a centre punch to tap the end round, well worth trying before resorting to anything else