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On 17/12/2017 at 22:41, David Schweizer said:
I am not a great enthusuiast of wide beams and this one would not win any beauty contests. However, Will Tricket is a good builder and has been building for something like twenty years. He built his first one on the bank at Sheepwash opposite where I used to moor, it was much more a Dutch Barge style widebeam, and in my opinion far more attractive.
When this boat was still in it's first building phase, Will Trickets name was never mentionned anywhere, and so I don't think that he had much (if anything at all) to do with the building of the hull.
The original owners fitted the boat out themselfs, I remembered their wooden bathtub.
Peter.
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23 hours ago, cereal tiller said:
The Boat in the First link is described as having a Swimming Pool but no Picture of one ,also States 'Sleeps 7' ,One Elderly Paloma Water Heater in the Pics. must have it's Work cut out for it at Shower/Bath time!
The picture of the boat you're showing here is a Branson luxemotor design, which is 1.5 times the lenght of "Bee", and "Bee" isn't a luxemotor but a tug, and very pretty at that, I've been lucky enough to see her in the flesh, and really like that boat very much, but I'm biased as I'm quite used to seeing all kinds of different sizes of Dutch tugs.
Branson does a tug-kit too, which is better to compare with: http://www.dutch-barges.net/tug.html
Peter.
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23 hours ago, cereal tiller said:
The Boat in the First link is described as having a Swimming Pool but no Picture of one ,also States 'Sleeps 7' ,One Elderly Paloma Water Heater in the Pics. must have it's Work cut out for it at Shower/Bath time!
The boat you looked at that has the swimmingpool is the ad of a luxurious hotel-barge, have another look and you'll see that it's not in the same price-bracket either.
The barge the OP is interested in starts just below the photo of the hotel-barge, and the price is 1/10th of the other.
Peter.
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1 hour ago, Bee said:
Hi Peter, That's the one, a beautiful boat as you say, I have sailed down there and it is a truly lovely place to sail, quite sheltered as well unless you get very brave and head out to sea, maybe if I have a few £'s left in the summer I will try a day out on her. Hope you are well, the boat is at St Jean de Losne at the moment, planning on the river Doubs next year (That's if they let us Brits into France after the Brexit stuff!)
I don't think that you need to worry for the time being, and probably after they've finished will the Brexit stuff, it's hard to see them kicking out the Brits the day after.
They will surely still let the Brits in, but if they'll still let you in is the question
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On 17/12/2017 at 23:56, Alan de Enfield said:
Do you have any experience of this ?
It is very different to Rivers & Canals.
If you are looking for a dual-purpose boat you need to look at its build classification to assess its suitability.
Inland waterway boats are Class-D
Inshore estuaries are Class-C
To do any 'coastal cruising' you should be looking at Class B particularly as both the North Sea and the Irish Sea are so shallow and even a relatively light wind can have a huge effect on the wave action.
One of my boats is a 'Blue Water' 23 foot beam GRP cruising catamaran and is rated as 'Class A' - coming across the Med last year in a F6-7 was not pleasant. My other boat is Class-B and is similar to what you are looking at with a 14 foot beam, 4' 6" draft and a 9' 6" to 13' Air-Draft (depending on everything being folded down)
Being relatively narrow and little draft some Dutch Barges can roll like a pig, and whilst they are without question 'sea-worthy' they will give an extremely uncomfortable ride if you get a 'bit of a blow'.
Definitions of Boat Design Categories.
‘A’ OCEAN: Designed for extended voyages where conditions may exceed wind force 8 (Beaufort scale) and significant wave heights of 4 m and above but excluding abnormal conditions, and vessels largely self-sufficient.
‘B’ OFFSHORE: Designed for offshore voyages where conditions up to, and including, wind force 8 and significant wave heights up to, and including, 4 m may be experienced.
‘C’ INSHORE: Designed for voyages in coastal waters, large bays, estuaries, lakes and rivers where conditions up to, and including, wind force 6 and significant wave heights up to, and including, 2 m may be experienced.
‘D’ SHELTERED WATERS: Designed for voyages on sheltered coastal waters, small bays, small lakes, rivers and canals when conditions up to, and including, wind force 4 and significant wave heights up to, and including, 0.3 m may be experienced, with occasional waves of 0.5 m maximum height, for example from passing vessels.
toomanyairmiles didn't give us any more details of the Dutch barge he's thinking of buying, but if it's an old one, the A-B-C-D classifications didn't exist, IFAIK these only came into life for pleasure boat when the HIN numbers started, so if it is an old(er) barge, there won't be a HIN number and no other classification of a category.
Peter.
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On 18/12/2017 at 10:42, Bee said:
If its an older boat it will not be constructed to any RCD standards anyway. Are you looking at an ex sailing barge? (Tjalk type)? with a wheelhouse? It may be possible to rebuild the wheelhouse. With that height you are restricted to the Thames below Oxford, River Wey is out, also the River Lea (?), I think that your idea of a boat in London is actually quite reasonable but not without the usual problems, overcrowded canals etc. , anyway it makes a lot more sense than buying / renting somewhere down there unless you are a millionaire. Personally I would be looking at a narrowboat . There is a Tjalk that offers sailing trips in the Falmouth area, can't remember the name I'm afraid, that would be a worthwhile day out and no doubt a lot of useful info as well.
Hi Richard, I could be wrong (of course) but I think that this is the one you had in mind, it is a Lemsteraak, which is a beautiful boat.
It would be a great experience to go for a trip on her, only for a day, as that's all they seem to offer, and only if the weather conditions are fair enough.
https://sailingbargedrifter.wordpress.com/
Peter.
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11 hours ago, Boaty Jo said:
Ledgard boats.
Don't know about their narrowboats but friends of mine live on a 15m x 4m (approx) 'replica barge' in France, have done for more than 10 years. They like it but bought what they could afford at the time.
As stated above they are medium quality and the barges are not the best looking. Probably a barge adaptation of a narrowboat, slab sided with a wheelhouse.
My friends' boat is underpowered though and they have to pick and choose times for river cruising. (max about 6 kph). This may be just an undersized engine but equally likely, hull shape.
Depends whether you're after a NB or barge type and where you want to cruise. Overall OK and no more I would suggest.
It's not really surprising that their max speed is only about 6 kph, as their underwatershape is almost worse than that of a brick.
How can the prop get the water it needs to push one of these boats forwards ?
Several years ago I took some photos of one that was out off the water somewhere in France, and I didn't believe my eyes.
The owners removed a perfect 70 of 75 Hp Yanmar to replace it with a Steyer engine of twice that power, and a 5 bladed prop to replace the 3 bladed.
After that the boat was a bit faster, so they were happy, but it would have been much cheaper to change the shape of the stern and get a better swim.
Here's one photo that showes more or less what the Ledgard Bridge wide beam looked like that I saw.
Peter.
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1 hour ago, Hyperion 53 said:
That IS how it was done.
Thanks for your answer.
It was the most logical-and best way to do a job like that.
Peter.
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On 11/11/2017 at 20:43, Derek R. said:
It's not an unattractive looking boat, but having sheathed the original wooden hull in steel, surely its overall width would be more than 6' 10"?
And that "coal" fired AGA - a) it looks more like an oil fired version without the coal loading door above the ash pan door, and - b ) there's a wooden worktop placed directly on top of it. Regardless of what its fuelled by, as is, it's a waste of space only providing ballast at best. I'll wager they couldn't get it out of the boat, so are making a 'feature' of it.
Still, not a bad looking boat.
After having sheated the hull in steel, the wooden inside has been removed, so if they wanted it to be narrower, they could then have easily enough have pulled the sides a bit closer together before the continued with the fitout.
I don't say that it has been done that way, but if it hasn't been, it could have been done without too much effort.
Peter.
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Here's a link to another Belgian based company :
http://www.canalboatingholidays.be/
No idea about their actual prices but enquiring doesn't cost anything.
There are many boat rental companies in the Netherlands, if Belgium doesqn't work out.
Peter.
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On 12/10/2017 at 11:38, Yorksshirepud said:
Pluto. Glad my post went through as I was not sure if I had done it correctly. I just joined so I could reply about the " Water Wanderer ". I will look through all my photos the next few days and see what I can come up with.
i have also often wondered what happened to the lovely narrow boat called "Dorothy Grace" we rented in 1976
in October 1982 we rented another narrow boat but forget the name. We met a lovely couple who were living on their boat they had build . He was a Jazz Musician and she was a writer . Their name was Owen and Iris Bryce.
Such an ideal way to get away from the life in a city.
I would really like to see your photos of the "Water Wanderer" too, if you can find them.
When she was operating in France she was booked through Continental Waterways and often cruised together with a smaller barge that was named "Water Wanderer 2" this was to enable them to accept slightly bigger groups.
Peter.
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4 hours ago, captain birdseye said:
We did that run on the steam train in 2009 from Hoorne to Medemblike, we then got the double decker train back to Hoorne then got the ferry round to Enkhuizen. Here are a couple of piccies
Thanks for this posting captain birdseye, it's all nostalgia for me, I haven't been back there for ages.
There used to be a world famous boatyard in Medemblik (Jongert) were they built mega yachts, sail and motor for the people with too much money.
Enkhuizen, where my mother and sister were born, and Hoorn are both very picturesque harbour places where you can see lots of sailing charter barges during the season.
I remember more of the trainride that I always enjoyed, even while sitting on the hard wooden benches, than of my grand parent that we went to see when using this steam train, my granddad died when I was 2 and my grandma when I was 5.
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My sincere condolence Dave, it's so hard to lose someone you've dearly loved, even kowing that this very sad moment is arriving, it's hard to accept, and I feel terribly sorry for you, life can be (and often is) very hard, I wish you the strenght to carry this heavy loss.
I'm happy to read that you managed to give Bev one last cruise on your boat, she must have appreciated that.
All the very best to you and your family,
Peter.
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45 minutes ago, blackrose said:
In fact thinking about it, with more hp available, one could argue that I now have have more stopping power than I had before!
That is a sure thing Mike, as with the 44Hp's you've available now (since the prop adaptations) you can do more than with the max power you had before.
Peter.
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Hi Peppers, I wish lots of success with this BIG job, it will be really nice do build the boat (inside) the way you want it, and not having to live and adapt to someone else's work.
I may be a bit too late with this warning as the thing is surely installed already, but if I were you, I would replace your VENUS B.T. for a VETUS one, as these are much more common in case you need it repaired at some stage
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Peter.
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13 hours ago, pete harrison said:
I have run downstream on the Thames under 'red boards' with a part loaded narrow boat pair. That is definitely the scariest boating I have ever done, but at least I know what the 'red boards' mean now - and no the Lock Keepers did not say a word to stop me
I can easily imagine that that was quite a bit different than a relaxed fun cruise to the pub on a lovely summer day.
Myself I've had more then my share of very hairy moments on rivers in flood in France, since the "real" weir-keepers don't exist anymore, and have been replaced already a good 40 years by a lazy bunch of people that are more interested in their pay, than in the work they have to do for that pay, and they start with opening the sections of the weirs closest to the locks, which can create a VERY strong pull, which means you have to try to get in fast, to keep some steerage, and not be pulled in the weir, and then hope that you can stop before you hit the gates.
My worst souvenir of one of these downstream trips in strong floods was on the Marne, where they closed the lock right after I'd been through it, and opened the weir to pass over there which was much easier and very much safer too.
Still it's nice to remember these happenings of the past, when it ended up alright, and the only damage done was easy to repair just by washing the underpants
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Peter.
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35 minutes ago, Derek R. said:
Eton footbridge was the lowest, and we were approaching downstream with some 'fresh' helping us along. Slid under with about six inches to spare!
Henly was interesting. I was fortunate in having a senior uniformed Conservancy man on board for a cuppa in '81, and he advised heading for the right hand pier on approach, peeling off slightly to the arch when close. Worked a treat. Wheelhouse went through dead centre of the arch. We'd attended the Waterways Rally beside the Fields above Caversham, and he told me not to risk going as far as Pangbourne, as the bottom was rocky thereabouts, and at five foot draught we may have touched.
That must have been an "interesting" cruise with some "fresh" helping you along, probably quite reassuring to have that Conservancy man on board, but still a good idea to carry some spare underpants
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Peter.
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16 hours ago, Derek R. said:
This doesn't contribute much to the thread, but another view from the other side of that bridge, and heading downstream.
Still with a Salters 'Steamer' tied in the same location, but this in late '81.
"Jaju" must have been rather big for some of the bridges there.
Peter.
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1 hour ago, hvdb said:
Good news: I've found the keys!!!
They were in the pocket of my dressing gown. Yesterday I checked the pockets twice and was convinced they were empty. This morning the keys were in one of them.
As I never put my keys there, it must have been the cat who has done it, she did have a funny look on her face.
So It all ends well, and we now know how to contact the police. Thank you kind people of this Forum for all your advice. It is nice to know that in times of distress there are people around who will help at short notice. Many thanks!
Helen
Gefeliciteerd, blij te lezen dat jullie nu weer rustig zullen kunnen slapen.
Veel vaarplezier,
Peter.
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12 hours ago, rusty69 said:
Your a good man Tony Brooks.
Yes, Tony surely is a good and helpful man, this is far from the first time he's offering his help to anyone in difficulties, and I'm sure it won't be the last time either.
His kind of person is getting rare.
Peter.
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Hi Col,
I'm happy for you to see that Tony made you such a beautiful skylight, that man surely knows how to work with wood.
Now it's up to you, to keep it as beautiful for the next (at least) 20 years.
Peter.
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41 minutes ago, WotEver said:
I agree with your first paragraph. If the boat is going to be your sole residence then it shouldn't matter if it's a >15T Dutch barge or a <2T yoghurt pot. It's your home.
I disagree with your 2nd paragraph if the boat is built to be your home.
Otherwise, why are houses zero rated? It's because they are someone's home (even if they later get sold to a landlord).
I think that my second paragraph is valid if the first paragraph wouldn't be valid for all boats that are the sole residence, and not only the ones that messure over the 15 Tonnes limit.
If that's not the case, then only commercially used boats should be entitled the zero rate VAT, is should be everybody or nobody, as a boat as sole residence doesn't change purpose being 6 tonnes or 60 tonnes.
As I said, those are just my thoughts about this matter.
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1 hour ago, WotEver said:
That's what the above two links are all about. IF the boat is going to be used as a 'sole residence' and IF the calculations come out to >15T MGW then you don't have to pay the VAT. But the boat must fulfill BOTH conditions as I understand it.
In exactly the same way as you don't pay VAT on labour or materials on a new house.
I'm happy with that, as I don't think that they make a difference in the fact that it's a small or a big house, do they ?
Some people that have a VAT zero rated Dutch barge live in a house, so it's not even their sole residence, but supposedly when they say that at sometime it will become their sole residence it's good enough for HMRC to allow them the zero rated VAT.
Colin Stone is as far as I can see using his barge for 'pleasure or recreational purposes' as he's exploring the countries on this side of the Channel, that makes it pleasure and recreation for me, but I've got nothing to do with HMRC, so it's not my problem.
But as I wrote before, I think that it's unfair for people that have a boat that doesn't reach the 15 Tonnes calculations, for which their boat is their only residence and who aren't entitled to the zero rated VAT.
As soon as the boat isn't a commercial entreprise it shouldn't be zero rated (that is what I think,and that's just my thoughts).
Peter.
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I think that this VAT at zero rate is a fiddle anyway, why would people that easily can afford to have a big boat (barge) built, be exempt of having to pay their VAT.
While many people that are a lot less well-off have to pay this VAT, even if their boat is their only residence, it doesn't sound fair to me.
There was also some talking about the Dutch Barges and the VAT at zero rate, that as long as the owner had intention to live on the boat in the future, they could be bought at the zero rate, all pretty confusing.
Peter.
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The Pénichette 930 with the nicer wooden doors is 9m30 wide
http://www.bateau.fr/nos-occasions/bateaux-doccasions/penichette-930-mayenne/