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  1. 29 minutes ago, enigmatic said:

    This is true, and it would be a good idea for @Tanmim H to ask whether Whilton is the owner of the boat or just acting as a broker when she visits them if they have not already told her.

     

    This is the relevant part of the terms I signed, FWIW. Note that there is provision for doing welding if needed

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    I imagine if Whilton is not the owner of the boat it is still in their interests to persuade the current owner to fund the work if it is what they consider an "Insurable defect" (especially since they probably collect the fee for doing the work). And likewise if it just needs a paint, then they won't

    I was told by the Surveyor insurable defects' is only if the boat will sink and the rust on the roof don't fall under that.

    I guess I have to look for someone who can do the job for me near Northampton.

    Any recommendation will be appreciated guys.

    All been so helpful here I learnt a lot.

  2. 21 minutes ago, enigmatic said:

     

    The owner (in this case the marina) paid for the gearbox refurbishment, and a contractor working for them did the work. It was not BSS but was considered an "insurable defect" which is also mentioned in the Pre-purchase agreement. The surveyor said the gearbox was something he would expect them to fix (and that they would have looked at it when they bought it so wouldn't be surprised

    They also did some other basic non-BSS things like repacking the stern gland and fitting a new drive belt to the engine at no charge

     

    They were less keen on doing time-consuming non-critical stuff like fixing the broken wiring to the tunnel light (I got a little bit of help after politely arguing with them and taking the panels off for them)

     

    The surveyor also suggested a couple of upgrades which I would have had to pay for, but I chose not to get them done (and they weren't that interested because they were busy)

     

    Most of the work they had done was visible (also my surveyor went back to approve the BSS work)

     

    Very helpful to know this.

    Thank you

  3. 8 minutes ago, Chagall said:

    She has never said that she "thought a bit of sandpaper and a coat of Hammerite would fix it."  Your know it all attitude is not helping.  

    Tbh I thought power jet wash, dry , sand it down and cover it with waterproof paint.🤦

  4. On 06/04/2021 at 16:13, enigmatic said:

    I bought a boat from Whilton's sister marina in the last few months (owned by them, so all the work was done at their cost). Different people, but same rules and budget.

     I got a new drive plate and a newly refurbished gearbox (completely different unit), neither of which are anything to do with BSS

     

    The prepuchase contract (assuming identical to mine) says deposit is fully refundable if vendor won't remedy or reduce price to account for BSS or "insurable defects". "Insurable defects" isn't defined, but if it's roof needs replating to protect its structural integrity I think they'd expect to do the work. Same as they certainly won't if its just roof needs a paint

     

    I'd assume any surveyor who works in Northamptonshire has worked for Whilton customers before and know how to word a survey to get their attention if the problem is actually a significant one anyway. And a surveyor ought to be willing to have a chat about that beforehand

    Good to know someone else bought a boat from the Wilton's sister Marina.

    You refurbished the gearbox and you got a new drive plate.

    How much did you pay for that?

    Did they do the work for you?

    As you said it has nothing to do with BSS.

    After the survey did you see a proof of all the work that got done on your boat?

     

  5. 24 minutes ago, MrsM said:

    Excellent, I'm really pleased you are taking someone with you. Can I suggest that you put all your questions in an email before then so that you have a written record? Hopefully everything will go smoothly but it won't hurt to have things in writing (and in the worst case might help against dishonesty and trickiness). Have you looked at your pre-purchase contract? Are you happy to share some of the details here? I'm still concerned that Whilton are only interested in rectifying BSS work. The BSS is nothing like an MOT for a car and a boat can be in a poor state but still have a BSS pass.

     

     

     

    I see.

    I will share it with you in a private message if that's okay.

    I have not written any questions down?

    I don't know exactly what to write but I know I need to ask  who owns the boat?

    I am going to write down what I can remember from everyone's suggested here.

  6. 12 minutes ago, MrsM said:

    As per the above 2 posts that is why we have been asking these questions - ie who is the owner of the boat (Whilton or a private non-related seller) and what Ts & Cs does the contract have? It's important you know this. Mi

    I am going on Friday taking my brother with me and I have questions to ask so I will ask who is the owner?

  7. 6 hours ago, cuthound said:

     

    He is a good bloke. Very thorough.

     

    Did the survey on my boat and managed to find enough minor things wrong for me to reduce the offer by enough to more than cover his survey fees.

     

    He used to include a "free" BSC inspection with the survey, so if it passes, you get a new certificate running for 4 years.

     

    Good luck with the survey and I hope it works out wel for you.

    That sounds good.

    I should get price down for the rust do you think?

  8. 49 minutes ago, blackrose said:

    I wouldn't use Trevor Whitling again even if he hadn't retired. He decided to get involved in my purchase negotiation over 20 years ago even though I'd specifically told him not to beforehand and I ended up a couple of grand down because if it. I couldn't help thinking he was in cahoots with the vendor - never leave them alone together! Perhaps he improved after that judging by what others say.

     

    You could try Lee Freeman. He's a BSS inspector but I think he does surveys too. I'll PM you his phone number.

    Thank you for your suggestion.

    I booked Craig Allen for the 15th April.

    Fingers crossed all goes well.

  9. 16 minutes ago, cuthound said:

     

    He is a good bloke. Very thorough.

     

    Did the survey on my boat and managed to find enough minor things wrong for me to reduce the offer by enough to more than cover his survey fees.

     

    He used to include a "free" BSC inspection with the survey, so if it passes, you get a new certificate running for 4 years.

     

    Good luck with the survey and I hope it works out wel for you.

    Thank you

  10. 18 minutes ago, LadyG said:

    It's a Bill of Sale, it's a legal document on its own, confirms the transfer of ownership of a vessel from one party to another. The idea is to have a paper trail, the relevant wording is 'sold, free of encumbrances' ie no debt attaches to the boat. 

    The broker is not selling you his boat, he is acting as an agent for the vendor. Like an estate agent. 

     

    3 minutes ago, Tanmim H said:

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    What will be the  exact questions I need to ask regarding the ownership documents?

    1.Can I see the transfer of ownership of the vessels?

    2. Tearm 'sold '.

    3 make sure no debt attached to the boat.

     

  11. 1 hour ago, Ray T said:

    Royal Yachting Association.

    They cater for some of the needs for inland waterways as well as Offshore and sailing.

     

    https://www.rya.org.uk/about-us/Pages/hub.aspx

     

    https://www.rya.org.uk/get-afloat/power/Pages/canal-boats-and-inland-waterways.aspx

     

    May I suggest you write your questions down so you don’t forget any you wish to ask.

    When looking at a boat it is easy to dream of what may be and forget some of the essentials.

     

    Also after a boat purchase it is often natural to have second thoughts.

     

    The night before we bought our boat I couldn't stop thinking "What am I doing?"

    The night after I thought "What have I done?"

     

    Once you take ownership and get out on the water all this fades away, have fun and live life in the slow lane. :)

     

     

     

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    17 minutes ago, LadyG said:

    It's a Bill of Sale, it's a legal document on its own, confirms the transfer of ownership of a vessel from one party to another. The idea is to have a paper trail, the relevant wording is 'sold, free of encumbrances' ie no debt attaches to the boat. 

    The broker is not selling you his boat, he is acting as an agent for the vendor. Like an estate agent. 

    What will be the  exact questions I need to ask regarding the ownership documents?

  12. 53 minutes ago, LadyG said:

    There is good reason to ask this question, as if it is owned in the course of a business, eg by Whilton or Venetian Marina, then it has to be 'fit for purpose' , this means not only must it be up to Boat Safety standards, or at least have a current (small can of worms) Certificate, but it must also be fit for purpose. A legal term, Consumer Rights /Trading Standards. 

    If I were you I'd send an email reminding them of your essential requirements, ie purpose. You must ask if the boat owned by a business. Do not let them have any wriggle room, be polite but be firm. 

    Demand, politely, proof of ownership, eg Bill of Sale, from commission to current owner. Recent bills  eg mooring fees, licence certificate, these should be readily available. It's your money, you have strong position. 

    The next step is, the survey, then your Bill of Sale, I used the RYA copy. 

    PS remember, if the roof is the only problem and everything else is fine, then don't worry too much. It's not ideal, but it is what it is. 

    PPS my main negativity is the size of the boat, first boat, casual use,  inexperienced boater and small child. I live aboard, and mine is 57ft, but I'd prefer it to be shorter, easier to drive, cheaper to paint, cheaper licence, cheaper mooring fee. 

     

     

    I like what you said.

    I am going back there again to see the boat and I should have all these above questions ready to ask.

    What is RYA?

     

     

  13. 27 minutes ago, Bee said:

    Back to the original question. That rust around the chimney collar is horrible. Thing is that it is not too difficult to fix. Last year I removed the stove, chimney, and collar from Bee, I put in a sort of Taylors paraffin stove with a 30mm stove pipe. That left a great big hole in the roof. Got a 12" square steel plate, drilled and tapped it to the roof, fixed it with countersunk stainless  machine screws, tidied it up with a bit of filler  and a bit of thin rubber gasket, bunged some paint on it, looks absolutely fine. I'm not saying Tanmin needs to start buying a shed full of tools, I'd do the job for her if I lived anywhere near but on here we do seem to see the worst case scenario in everything.  If owning a boat was as desperate as it sounds nobody would ever bother.

    I will be in Northampton for a while .

    So if you are around I will appreciate your help. I can hire tools also right.

  14. 5 minutes ago, Murflynn said:

     

    Tanmim has not mentioned a residential mooring.

     

    She may not be aware that a permanent mooring is a different kettle of fish.  If the boat is only for truly leisure use then a mooring further out into the countryside, not necessarily on the River Lea, may be more easily found.  If I was in her shoes I would be looking for a marina mooring where someone will keep an eye on the boat and raise the alarm if anything bad happens, and will provide much better security from vandals, thieves and general scumbags (but at a price).  Certainly the concept of continuously cruising should be a last resort.

     

    How many kids will be on the boat?  If it is just for 'olidays and the kids don't mind squeezing into bunks, etc. then a shorter boat in good condition may be cheaper to buy, maintain, licence and moor.  The brochure plan drawing shows just one double berth which suggests it has been fitted out as a live-aboard which is not the best arrangement for holidays with kids.  If the kids want to be out in the (hopefully) sunshine then a cruiser stern boat or one with a long forward well-deck is a huge asset for 'olidaying.

    I am thinking of looking for a place to moor in a Marin outside London for a while.

    My son 8 so one child.

     

  15. 2 minutes ago, MrsM said:

    Hi Tanmim. Do you mean the boat is NOT for cc'ing as a liveaboard? If you have a home and use the boat for leisure purposes, which is what we do, perhaps that takes a bit of pressure off? Speaking personally I think doing work on your boat is simpler when you are not having to live on it. And by "permanent mooring" I guess you mean a residential mooring? I've heard these are incredibly rare in London but perhaps non-residential, ie leisure, moorings are easier to come by? Our boat is on a leisure moorings at a marina in the East Midlands and it's super easy to work on as we have mains and water on tap as well as a carpark for transporting tools and materials. That said you still obviously want the best boat possible for your budget and I sincerely hope you find it as boating is wonderful!

    Yes not for liveaboard it's for leisure purpose.

    I am not looking for residential mooring.

    It will be for continue crusing.

    Thank you for sharing your experience. 

  16. 42 minutes ago, MrsM said:

    You poor thing. It's very daunting buying a boat. I can't see whether you have explained what you intend to use the boat for and where you will be based. Will you have access to repair/maintenance facilities? Are you handy or have friends and family who are? Much like houses (if not even more so), all boats need constant maintenance to keep them in good order. As Tony has said above your boat may be ok, but it is always going to be a bit of a risk. A full survey is the only way to find out for sure - but this inevitably entails further expense, which you will not be able to recover even if you are able to get your deposit returned. As mentioned earlier in the thread it is not unknown for brokers to refuse to refund the deposits on boats needing work so you need to be prepared to walk away or fight, should that happen to you. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. If not this one there will be other boats and you are in exactly the right place to get expert advice. 

    The boat is for continue crusing it's for   holiday use in the nice weather months.

    I will not get a permanent mooring as it's impossible anyway.

     I live near stonebridge canal as my permeant home.

    Boat is for holiday season enjoying the sun and canal with my kids.

     

     

    5 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

     

    They lied to me about ownership of a boat I was interested in.

    Is anyone here from London?

  17. 21 minutes ago, Murflynn said:

     

    * Mike's comments referred to his locker, not the OP's dilemma.

     

    ** I think you are misrepresenting what Mike wrote and meant.

     

     

    ............... 'nuff said, let's remain available to assist Tanmim if she requests it.

    I am now thinking what have a done by putting the deposit down for this boat?

    Should I go for survey and see what happens?

    The worse case I will lose 2k and walk away. 😭 Not 33k.

    I appreciate all the advice you all have given taking your time out to write.

    I am so confused now 😣

     

     

  18. 9 hours ago, Tony Brooks said:

     

    Did anyone recommend a surveyor to you? If its Wilton r anyone connected with them be very, very wary.  The hull could be as bad as the roof. I just hope that boat is cheap, very cheap, it could easily turn into a money pit. How about linking us to the advert and we can give advice.

     

    G12283 Whilton Marina Updated Blacking Charges Feb 2020.pdf

    Wrong file I uploaded.

    Sorry 

    The below is the correct information

    That's the boat I am buying Brochure (1).pdf

     

     

     

     

  19. 8 hours ago, blackrose said:

     

    We're talking phones dude! 🤣

     

    I respectfully disagree. It's perfectly possible with an angle grinder/wire wheel. I've prepped a lot worse than that and got to the bottom of all the pits. By all means use Vactan if you want to but it still needs to be properly scurfed out.

    Maybe you can give some more tips and show me some picS of your work. I will appreciate that.

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