Momac

February 26

Sounds like the end is in sight for the canals . Or at least for some canals.

Any ideas which canals cost C&RT the greatest to keep in navigable condition?

I am thinking it will take a significant closure or two to alert the public and the government to the possibility of what might be lost.

February 26

I wouldn't say your wife's nor your name being on C&RT records would be proof of ownership of the boat but it might help . I expect formal documents are absent for many inland craft leaving little in the way of proof of ownership. Mind you most stuff we own we may not have retained proof and its not an issue in practice.

Presumably you have joint names on the boat insurance.

The reaction from C&RT is not unreasonable given you have, as far as they are concerned, added a new joint owner.

I think it may be just me who pays the extortion money/license fee as far as C&RT are concerned but I have other documents to prove my wife and I each own half shares in the boat.

February 26

1 hour ago, Alway Swilby said:

We can't be unusual in our mooring habits. Around about the beginning of March we leave a marina and change our status on the licencing website to CC. We stop paying the marina for the mooring at this point. We then CC all summer and sometime at the beginning of November we move back into the same marina or a different one depending on availability and start paying for a mooring again. We then declare our new home mooring on the web site. Up until now these change of statuses have been FOC. As it happens our licence renews on 1st January. It seems that the six month rule will mean we pay for a CC licence which is fair enough.

BUT.... are we going to have to pay £30 for each change of status so £60 per year on top of the CC surcharge. If we don't update the status when we move back into a marina and leave it as CC what happens when we get spotted in the marina for 4 months? Will we get an overstay email?

C&RT must have consider this so I suggest you email C&RT and ask them.

I expect C&RT will say staying in a marina over winter isn't overstaying and if you pay the CC for 12 months fee that's good enough.

February 25

21 hours ago, peterboat said:

The real disaster is though a missing raw water pump! Apparently he ordered the wrong impeller so he took the pump off and fitted a very small electric one!!

Hopefully this has not resulted in overheating

20 hours ago, peterboat said:

I hope it will be when finished, hull dark blue, and top structure cream. It has to come out for survey and antifouling so rubbing down the hull and spraying it seems like a plan at the moment.

Coloured hulls can look very nice

But the darker the colour the more they show the slightest imperfection.

February 25

4 hours ago, ditchcrawler said:

I think we discussed the outcome of that idea earlier

I don't think the problem is likely to be confined to one water point.

So the issue should be reported .

February 25

16 hours ago, Arthur Marshall said:

This rubbish about dividing boaters has been going on for thirty years , and it was rubbish then and it's rubbish now. There was bs about shiny boaters being hated by scruffy ones, and liveaboards by them what didn't, and tin boats versus yoghurt pots, and how we all hate cyclists and fishermen and dog walkers.

It's a civilised discussion as to the rights and wrongs, or the effectiveness, or the law or whatever, that's all. I've never met a moorer who said he despised CCers, and plenty of the latter come up and chat when I'm out and about. I've shared locks with all of them. Several of my friends are CCers, some have been both at times. Who cares?

Strangely, we all get on. Especially, as you seem to forget, when you're out on a boat, there is absolutely no way of telling whether someone's got a mooring, or a share, or just cruising. None of us really give a toss, in the real world.

This is social media, and a discussion forum. It's not real.

I will bear that in mind that everything you write is not real.

February 25

Perhaps the matter should perhaps be reported to C&RT given the source is via a C&RT water point .

February 24

2 hours ago, ditchcrawler said:

Thats my thoughts as well, When I see people refilling bottle from the tap because they wont drink out of the tank I wonder how well and often they sterilise those bottles

I never sterilise the water bottles but they get a flush at most refills and I replace them annually.

But not sure how sterilising would help here at the critters are in the water supply.

February 24

11 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said:

The surcharge is just heaping more mess on to it.

The 'more mess' very effectively dividing the different categories of boaters.

This is C&RT's scheme to maintain control and this forum shows how very well that scheme is working.

February 24

The railways waste money on an immense scale.

In this respect the train operating companies are just as bad if not worse than the former nationalised arrangements.

As far as HS2 is concerned I may not travel on it as quite simply I live near the East Coast mainline . But as said there may be other benefits due to other routes being under reduced demand.

February 23

1 minute ago, Ronaldo47 said:

I have heard of people whose car was legally parked and they were not in it when it was hit by another car, being penalised by their insurers.

That happened to my daughter.

She contacted her insurer for advice but did not make a claim. Next renewal premium went up sharply.

This was 10 years ago so nothing new.

February 23

8 hours ago, Lady M said:

Thank you. Interestingly they don't mention salvage specifically though this it must tend to cause them problems when this is needed but not covered.

Its up to you whether you seek cover for salvage or anything else.

If C&RT are required to salvage a boat they would of course seek a recovery of costs from the boat owner. If there is no insurance cover then the boat owner would be held personally liable.

February 22

3 minutes ago, Lady M said:

CRT are probably most interested in the public liability cover.

3rd party cover is all that is required by C&RT

February 22

Just now, TheBiscuits said:

By agreeing to the Ts & C's you have given prior consent.

The terms do not say that.

February 22

2 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said:

7.3. When You apply for a Licence You must provide the name of Your insurance company, the policy number and expiry date. We may ask for a copy of the certificate or policy schedule.

7.4. After the Boat is Licensed, We may request a copy of the insurance policy or schedule. We may check with Your insurer that the policy is valid. We may also give information We hold about Your Boat to Your insurance company.

From the Private Boat licence terms and conditions

Much use of the word 'may'.

I would hope insurers would not divulge data without prior consent.

February 22

28 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said:

Do they?

I have to provide them the name of my insurer, the policy number and the expiry date.

I assume they use these to check ...

Everyone has to provide those insurance details.

Whether C&RT run any checks is up to them.

I doubt very much whether C&RT have authority to obtain data direct from insurers . However C&RT could contact you and ask for a copy of the insurance certificate if you are selected for a random spot check.

In due course it may become necessary to upload the insurance certificate to the C&RT portal.

February 22

21 minutes ago, Paul C said:

I don't understand why a moorings operator would leave usable berths unoccupied

Simple matter of supply and demand.

There are quite a few spare spaces where I keep my boat and have been for some time.

We go out of the marina and meet mostly the same regular enthusiasts while the majority don't seem to move. The river is not nearly as busy as it used to be which can be nice but really its would be better if it was busy with boats.

Many economic factors at play here but I think owning a boat as recreational activity may well decline as people simply cant afford the expense or they choose other activities which offer better value.

February 22

38 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said:

What happens at a marina if the berth's been let to a visitor and the holder comes back?

The holder might have to moor in another space or the visitor is moved to another spot.

I use the same mooring spot always but in theory I rent a mooring which could be anywhere in the marina.

In practice not an issue.We are not moved around.

I did receive a phone call once from the marina to see whether we were going to be away a while. But since we were returning the next day the marina put the visitor elsewhere.

February 22

1 hour ago, jonathanA said:

. It would be fraudulent if someone took money from say 100 CCers, when they only had berths (occupied or otherwise) for say 50....

Would that be fraud ?

It might carry a risk of not ending well.

As you say its not worth the bother unless over selling which was the point I was trying to make. I honestly didn't consider you would have thought there was any sense in it unless selling the same deal to multiple people.

Most marinas take visitors and use spaces that are empty because the bertholder is out on a cruise. The visitor pays . So the marina gets paid twice from the same mooring . That's not fraud.

Gyms sell memberships to many more people than they can accommodate at one time . That's not fraud .

February 22

40 minutes ago, jonathanA said:

quite so, my point was allowing ccers to declare a home mooring to use up spare capacity would be undetectable and perfectly legal. fees a mooring operator pays CRT are fixed regardless of the number of boats actually using (or registered) to use that operators facility.

Its called over selling.

The agreement would have to be on the basis as everyone else in that a mooring would be made available all year round.

The plan would fail from the mooring owners perspective if more boats turned up compared to available spaces. But perhaps that could be managed by not selling excessive numbers of mooring agreements compared to available space.

The people who do use their moorings regularly and paying a higher rate might be upset if they discover what is occurring (as they surely would).

But good luck with your plan.

February 22

With the added complication of the license fee calculation for home mooring or no home mooring C&RT have potentially taken on a significant administrative burden.

Whether C&RT are willing to provide personnel to properly police the new scheme remains to be seen.

At present C&RT accept insurance is in place on an honesty basis. C&RT also accept off water declarations on an honesty basis . I expect the same will apply to home mooring declarations. All subject to random checks .

So it would be wise to keep receipts for mooring fees in case of need.

February 21

1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said:

Why have you changed your forum name ?

Security reasons. Also have reduced level of detail on profile.

4 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

We were stopped by a 'Border Control' boat as we came down the Lincolnshire/Norfolk coast, we had to show the 'ships papers' (which included the location declaration) and declare that all on board were UK residents / citizens (forgetting that the Daughter in law is a Fillipino and not a UK citizen) Fortunately they did not ask to view passports.

Can't say I carry passport for a UK coastal trip but we have driving license ID which should e sufficient.

Could easily prove where we have travelled from if stopped off the UK coast and have UK VAT paid documents.

The brexit date is relevant only if wanting to import a boat due to the time now elapsed since Brexit.

Your earlier post indicated that VAT would have to be paid without a certificate which is not correct.

February 21

1 hour ago, Alan de Enfield said:

Well our marina produced the certificates without us even having to ask.

So have you used the certificate to avoid paying VAT?

February 21

3 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

Pretty much the same as we had to get a letter from our mooring provider for Brexit - if you could not prove your boat was in the UK at 11pm on 31st December 2020 then you would be charged VAT on the boat.

A scare mongering story that came to nothing.

1 hour ago, Graham and Jo said:

My licence is due for renewal on April 1st and we have just received a complicated email from C&RT about moorings. It seems that in future we we may need to provide proof of our mooring contract at Calcutt.

You ''may'' need to.

Previously C&RT have accept the information supplied and reserve the right to carry out random checks . Sounds like nothing has changed really.

February 20

37 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

As far as I know zero, I don't think it is specified.

Just checking by asking, But I think that may well be so.

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