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Was the matter reported to C&RT and/or the water authority and if so what was the problem resolved?
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5 minutes ago, MrsM said:
I have often wondered how some of the extremely poor condition boats manage. There are a couple on CRT online moorings near me that look like they couldn't possibly pass a BSS. How do they get licenced?
The BSS does not require a boat to look like it is in good condition.
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Yes you are correct - there it is
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1 hour ago, haggis said:
Ah, memory failing again ! mention of a PDF reminded me that we got that attached to an email. In days of yore we actually got a printed certificate bearing the BSS stamp and that is what I remembered. 🙂
It was not so many years ago that it was all done on paper. As you say the surveyor impressed a stamp into the paper to authenticate the certificate.
I do print up and keep the paper copy on the boat but there is no need for it really.
22 minutes ago, MartinC said:Suggest you may find that your insurance policy has a condition that you must hold a current BSS. If so you do need to get this sorted now
Insurers who cover lumpy water as well as inland waters don't seem to be concerned at all about the BSS. I have never seen it mentioned by any insurer and I always read the insurance documents.
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19 minutes ago, haggis said:
I don't think you get a copy of the BSS certificate now.
I did get a pdf certificate by email from the surveyor (in 2020).
I received my BSS reminder by email from C&RT 3 months prior to the expiry date.
Its not a new thing.
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2 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:
C&RT are owners of the BSS scheme and there boat records are linked to the BSS system.
Strictly speaking ...........C&RT are part owners of the BSS together with the EA.
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10 hours ago, MrsM said:
........ the (v)lockies, who often treated us like we hadn't a clue when our boat was shiny.
Do some people think a well kept / nicely presented boat is something that only novices do?
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4 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:
It is exactly the same with both the BSS and Insurance.
C&RT simply say that you must have valid Insurance / BSS for the full period of the licence.
Basically you are signing to a commitment to renew the Mooring/BSS/Insurance when it becomes due.
I agree that must be the case .
As an example
C&RT know my BSS expires in mid May but in March they sold me a license for 6 months that started on 1st April.
No problem
(Presently awaiting a date from the BSS surveyor)
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11 minutes ago, beerbeerbeerbeerbeer said:
if I have bought a year license no home mooring, and then took on a mooring for the winter, say less than 6 month, whether it be end of garden or marina I’d just have to suck it up and pay, wouldn’t I?
Yes
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1 minute ago, David Mack said:
Indeed. But some seem to be suggesting that being licenced as a CCer exempts the boater from paying the EoG fee to CRT if they do take a mooring (and don't/can't) change their licence status.
Speculation. The new licensing regime has only been in place a week.
Don''t see why taking a mooring of any sort should be prohibited.
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17 hours ago, David Mack said:
Some on here would seem to be suggesting that a boater without a home mooring is not permitted to pay for any mooring at all!
A CC'er can take as many short term paid for moorings as they like.
A 'HM'er ''is required to have a long term mooring agreement that is in place and available throughout the period that a license is held.
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3 hours ago, Bosley Dave said:
Thanks for advice everyone. It's an internal stainless steel tank and only access is through filler pipe/hole. The reason I'm being so careful is that my wife is recovering from a serious illness and has no/limited immune system so I want to be as sure as I can about the safety/cleanliness of the water supply.
Sorry to hear that and wish her well.
We don't usually drink tank water from our own boat other then perhaps brushing teeth.
Instead we have a couple of 5 Litre spring water bottles from the supermarket which we refill from the water point. We buy fresh bottles each year. If the bottles are handled with reasonable care they last the year.
We are never moored very far from a water point and even if a walk is required its good exercise. So this works well.
I would say in your case flushing the pipes is as important as the the tank.
Also if you have a shower head of any sort give that a soak in a bleach solution followed by a good rinse.
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Being river based and where the locks are somewhat larger than on most canals we always have a rope on bow and stern as per the image below.
This is unlikely to be practical if single handed but worth bearing in mind for those locks where controlling the boat is a challenge.
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The pipework is just as likely as the tank to contain bacteria so the flushing process via the taps on the boat is important.
Therefore if you use a separate pump to empty the tank you are not flushing the pipework so only doing half the job.
If the boat is known to you and its just been left over winter then I would suggest simply fill the tank and let the taps run for as long as you feel is appropriate (eg put a full tank of water through) and the job is done.
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Would it be best to start by looking for an oil filter for the engine and look for cross references from there ?
Could any of the following be relevant?
https://catalog.mann-filter.com/EU/eng/catalog/MANN-FILTER Katalog Europa/W 713~14
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50 minutes ago, David Mack said:
Surely you can empty most of it by simply running a cold tap and using your existing water pump.
You beat me to it.
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4 minutes ago, cuthound said:
In the meantime the system will continue to degenerate ...................
This is inevitable unless costs are reduced significantly eg by closing some canals to navigation.
1 minute ago, IanD said:So on the same principle, if I pay (for example) 3x as much tax as somebody else, should I get (for example) 3 votes in the next GE?
the same principle is .............You might think you should get more votes morally but you don't legally get more votes.
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2 minutes ago, beerbeerbeerbeerbeer said:
don’t I get to jump the queue at locks?You can try .
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51 minutes ago, IanD said:
CCers and widebeam owners are paying more to get more money for CART; they don't get any extra privileges any more than people paying more tax do.
I agree they don't have any privileges legally but they might claim that they have privileges morally because they pay a higher license fee.
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8 minutes ago, Higgs said:
Someone needs to help me with the logic here. How does increasing the cost to CC'ers somehow work to discourage CM'ers.
It doesn't make any difference as folks who are going to overstay will do so anyway.
Perhaps could be said the CC'ers and wide beams should be given enhanced rights and priority as they are paying more for their license
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1 hour ago, cheesegas said:
I’ve got a lot of snootiness from shiny boaters over the past couple of years when I chat to them at locks etc and mention I don’t have a home mooring. ‘You’re one of them’…‘trying to avoid tax eh’ and so on. I did some of the Oxford loop last summer and it seemed especially bad - my boat is a little scruffy and could do with a repaint at some point as it’s fading, and I have a tarp on the roof covering the inevitable two bags of coal I didn’t use over winter! Unmistakably liveaboard, along with the solar panels.
Not sure why this is but there is a thing that some people think they have the best boat there is and anything else is inferior in one way or another.
It's not confined to the canals. I know one couple who are particularly bad for this sort of thing.
To be honest I have no problem with and don't blame people if they do wish to live aboard and continuously cruise and not pay council tax. I don't think anyone really should be complaining about that as long as the continuous cruising is exactly what it should be. going back and forth on the same bit of canal isn't continuously cruising.
By the way not everyone pays council tax even if they do live in a house. eg older folk live with their adult children , anyone generally under the age of 18 and even folks like my next door neighbours sons who are in their 30's and still living with their parents.
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12 hours ago, cuthound said:
Then perhaps it is time for CRT to target unannounced boat checking in specific area?
There were some EA guys out with a police officer (CSO type) late summer in a RIB and they were questioning a fishist in a dinghy . I dare say he had no rod license nor a license for the dinghy. The EA would not have been interested in the dinghy.
It does show a patrol can catch people without the proper license.
C&RT do have 'Rangers' . I believe they operate from the shore rather than off a boat which is probably the more efficient method.
Perhaps there should be more rangers.
Identifying the owner of a boat with no name and no index must be a drain on C&RT resources.
Increased license fees presumably don't help as they add to the incentive to evade paying.
Not sure what the answer is but its C&RT's problem.
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18 hours ago, Peanut said:
It might be better if the owner of the mooring had to let C&RT know to whom they had let it. Far less chance of fiddling, and not too demanding.
Or perhaps C&RT should bring their online system up to date so the boater can share the insurance certificate and receipt for the moorings.
If this is a challenge for some boaters then perhaps simply requiring the boater to have evidence available in case of being asked for it by a C&RT employee.
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15 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:
Which they have never asked for prior to the surcharge on boats with no home mooring
This is true.
But it doesn't mean everyone has to provide evidence of a mooring agreement each time they buy a license. Nothing has changed (yet) in the license buying process providing the home mooring has not changed.
It all seems like more admin for the boater but also for C&RT for little gain.
But who knows what is in C&RTs future plan. Maybe they intend to target and attack home moorers next.
Baton Twirlers Stage Protest (again)
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Live aboard and CC are not necessarily the same thing.