Elixer
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Nope. Just that there should be some indication that the body does not expect to be spoon fed.
What exactly are you here for? What do you think information technology is for? Forums are for tuition not drama!
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Yes...........good ones.
Phil
Than you Phil.
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Seems to have become a thread with an echo.
I am happy to have learned what I have so far.Can anybody tell me anything about the kind of electrics and batteries I should think about?
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I would call that.."busted"..
This is a thread for learning about what I may need to do to get my 1st narrowboat. Talk about Narrowboats please.
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I thought this after reading the first few posts.
This is a thread for learning about what I may need to do to get my 1st narrowboat. Talk about Narrowboats please.
Is that you Chris Pink?
This is a thread for learning about what I may need to do to get my 1st narrowboat. Talk about Narrowboats please.
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Come on this is a wind up.
This is a thread for learning about what I may need to do to get my 1st narrowboat. Talk about Narrowboats please.
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It's not an either/or -- you want the surveyor to look at the hull out of the water, and test things like the engine in the water.
Thank you
a surveyor should inspect the hull of my the boat out of water and then test the engine in the water. I understand.Dangerous game, this surveying lark.
Lol. It's in the same time frame of when the >survivor< visits.
Talk about Narrowboats please.
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It's in the same time frame of when the survivor visits.
Usually when buying a boat it will be in the water, you take it out to have survey, but you can't see if somethings work if it's out of the water (like engine). Nothing is compulsory but if your spending a good amount of cash on a boat then don't skimp on a in-water test as well as a out of water survey.
If a boat is already out of the water, my question would be why!
I ask myself the same question. I will insist on a in water survey. I guess the out water survey could be about the condition of exterior.
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What type of toilet do you want in your boat?
That's easy. Gold.
What type of toilet do you want in your boat?
What type of toilet do you want in your boat?
Just kidding series
I know this is a tough one. I have no clue.The survey should also be in water as well.
Do you mean there's 2 stages? Is this compulsory?
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I am very grateful
thank you.Wow, is that how to do it! Who would have thought it was that easy.
Howard
What a cool forum this is.
You get a survey done before purchasing, but it needs to out of the water survey so the boat will need taking to the nearest dry dock / craning area. The survey is usually done after you've made an offer (like when buying a house).
Understood
this is why I keep finding boats for sale that are not in the water. -
Do make sure you get a survey done on the boat you like the look of - it can save a lot of heartache (and money) later.
I fell in love with a boat, had it surveyed (thank goodness) and found it was in a very poor state - hidden behind wall cladding and under the (rotten) flooring. It could have cost me long thousands to sort it out.
Interestingly it was later bought, trailered to London where I understand it is now rented accommodation likely to sink fairly soon!
Hello Max
Can you please run me through this survey thing? May I hire a surveyor to meet me at the address where the narrowboat is and get an inspection done before purchasing it? -
Phew. A difficult one from scratch. Can I ask why you need to be in London? I can't imagine a worse place to want to live on a narrowboat. But that's just me - I hate the place!
This is all so new Max
I naturally thought about bringing it to where I am now. It never occurred to me that the world is my oyster. I think i'll do a bit of travelling instead. -
Thank you.
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Be very aware that fitting out any boat takes a lot longer that you think. If you are not ding it full time think about well over a year and some are not completed within 5 years.
Now you say sailaway you need to research the Recreational Craft Directive to see if you need to build to the standards that requires AND get it all properly documented and certified.
I think it still holds that if you do not sell it for 5 years after putting it into use a private individual only needs to build to pass the Boat Safety Scheme but if you do that and have to sell early it may hinder you getting a good price.
I wanted to strip it down to the bare minimum because I was not thinking. I then wanted an engine. I then wanted electric and on and on... I now know it is not a project I want. I want to buy a 2nd hand one and rip out all the lovely pillows.
A home mooring is a permanant mooring that you rent/lease/buy. In London they are in short supply, especially residential ones, and are expensive.
When you buy your license you will have to declare if you have a home mooring or you intend to 'continuously cruise' which means that you are supposed to be on a continuous journey, In effect it basically means that you have to move your boat every two weeks. How far you move your boat and over what length of canal is not determined in law but CRT have attempted to set their own standards.
If you do intend to continuously cruise in London be aware that the canals here are now extremely crowded in terms of moorings and complying with the navigation regulations and servicing your boat (Getting water and disposing of toilet waste) will take up a lot of your free time. I recommend that you join the very active London Boaters facebook group to get a feeling of what it is like.
Tim
I'll cruise
I understand the home mooring to be just like buying or renting land. -
You have all been a grate help so far
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Not correct, there are hundreds of boats continuously cruising the London waterways.
Tim
I think I confused the situation. I now realise that a home mooring would be needed after bringing it back only if that was where I intended to stay. I want to come and go as I please. I had not thought it all through when I wrote that.
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Some firms offer sailaways to various stages of completion, e.g. with electrical wiring installed, with the insulation sprayed on the inside walls, even with the walls panelled (often known as "sailaway plus" or similar). It's up to you, and perhaps your bank manager, what stage you choose. From memory, Cheshire Narrowboats in Lymm specialise in these, but others do them too.
Thank you. I guess I need electric, insulation, panelled walls, stove and toilet facilities including a shower.
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It's every four years.
Thank you.
When you have driven it back to London you will need a permanent mooring (probably) just be aware that it costs a lot.
Thank you.
1. Buy a boat with a valid boat safety certificate (Updated every 4-years.), get it insured and buy a license.
2. I may be able to moor for free all the way back unless the local sign say otherwise. Rivers are different story.
3. A home mooring is a permanent mooring for when I get back. I now understand what Tim meant by hoops through terms of distance travelled within a year.
I think this should be easy. I also understand that the home mooring can be expensive.
I wanted a sailaway shell at first. I need utilities, I was not thinking strait.
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The MOT equivalent is called a boat safety certificate (BSC) which is renewable every three years and goes with the boat.
You are allowed to moor on canal towpaths for free for two weeks unless the local signs say differtly. Mooring on rivers not administered by the Canal & River Trust is a different case. If you do not have a home mooring there are aditional 'hoops' to go through in terms of distance travelled in a year.
You do not need a 'driving license' to operate a leisure boat on non tidal rivers and canals.
You do howeverneed a license to have your boat on the water (Equivalent to a tax disc). With Canal & River Trust waterways this stays with the owner so you will have to buy one as soon as you take possession of the boat. You will be asked for proof of insurance and a current BSC before you can buy the license.
Tim
Thank you Tim. That was helpful
1. Buy a boat with a valid boat safety certificate, get it insured and buy a license.
2. I may be able to moor for free all the way back unless the local sign say otherwise. Rivers are different story.
3. What is home mooring?
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buy a sailaway unless you can fit your own engine.
Neil
Thank you too! I'm already learning a lot. I'm looking for a sailaway shell.
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Buy a shell so you don't have to strip it down?
Yes! Thanks! That's exactly what I want!
Are shells cheaper too?
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I am about to start saving towards my very first boat and I want it to be a narrowboat. I plan to buy one somewhere in England and drive it back to London.
1. I understand that a boat has an MOT in the form of a certificate and that part follows the boat in question.
2. I'm guessing the mooring will be taken care of too because the boat will be in water and I could handle the rest of the moorings on the way back with the boat if and when I need to rest.
3. I have no license. I want to buy the boat and then take a crash course.
Please hold my hand and guide me through this puzzle.
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I like narrowboats. They are classy and distinguished affordable homes. I have been browsing through many websites featuring boats for sale, I always love what I see and I can't wait to get one and strip it down so I can renovate it to my own taste.
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Hello,
I'm very much a newbie after some expert opinions please.
Me and my fiance are buying our first narrowboat and looking to become continuous cruisers.
We've been to see quite a lot of boats now, but saw this 70ft Jonathan Wilson boat yesterday and are considering putting in an offer.
https://www.whiltonmarina.co.uk/used-narrowboats/details/3719.aspx
It's with Whilton Marina and they state they don't have a huge amount of history about her, so no recent survey to speak of, BSC till July 2018 (but they will issue a new one complete with sale) and she was last blacked and had anodes checked in 2013, so I guess that this is due again pretty imminently. She's got Eberspacher central heating and a Bubble stove at present. She seemed clean and dry inside, but I noticed that the wood frame which sits around the internal windows seemed to be missing and I could see the polystyrene insulation (this was dry to touch).
The sale would include a new BSC, engine service (a BMC 1.8 engine) and also if anything was found on survey which affects its current insurability they will do the works for free.
My concerns are that that the engine is old and might not be ideal for continuous cruising among other things, but my main concern is our lack of experience when it comes to buying a boat!
Any opinions or recommendations gratefully received, thank you very much
!I know I would.
I am happy to have learned what I have so far.
a surveyor should inspect the hull of my the boat out of water and then test the engine in the water. I understand.
HELP ME-I'M A NEWBIE
in New to Boating?
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Athy your right. I'll go away and sneak back with an alternative account and leave this thread to be toyed with.