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Once again, so what? People can go and review what was said, then paraphrased, on both occasions. If you want to make a big deal out of it, it will merely detract from the main subject of the thread and show you as needlessly argumentative.
Which you have succeeded in doing by thinking a mis-quote is the same as paraphrasing.
Lol.
Once again, so what? People can go and review what was said, then paraphrased, on both occasions. If you want to make a big deal out of it, it will merely detract from the main subject of the thread and show you as needlessly argumentative.
Which you have succeeded in doing by thinking a mis-quote is the same as paraphrasing.
Lol.
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So what, its near enough what you said - I went back and checked. Also I didn't QUOTE you I PARAPHRASED what you said.
You misquoted what YOU posted first, not me. silly billy.
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I'm not at the scene, I think you've just misinterpreted what I said. You said "lets just wait until the boat gets stuck" and I replied "the wait is over because the boat is now stuck".
You have just misquoted what you posted. I will assume it's still stuck then. Thank you.
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Post #6 explains it was going up. I suspect what's happened (can only guess, based on the limited info so far) is that the boat went up in a lock but the next pound was too low. Instead of floating in the lock and resolving this issue, they drove forwards anyway and became wedged. Instead of just being wedged, because of the shallow V hull it also gradually tipped, thus became stuck side-to-side. Its quite possible that the detailed aspects of the lock shape or projections, or detail aspects of the hull sides, have exacerbated the "stuck" position such that refloating or levering, or simply reversing, can't get it unstuck. Its also quite possible that the boat is under 6'10" (when its upright) and the lock is over 6'10" thus had they not wedged/tipped the boat it would have been a non-issue.
I believe a boat became hung on the cill exiting a lock on the HNC not so long ago, it was a more serious situation though because the rear gates leaked/failed and drained both pound and lock, and because of the position of the boat it tipped over and took on water.
So its definitely a danger that a boater should be aware of.
Can you confirm whether you are present at the scene Paul? I took your previous post to mean the 'wait is over' and the boat is clear. We are heading that way.
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Does this actually have anything to do with the width of the boat or the lock? It's been suggested above that there was too little water in the pound. A flat-bottomed boat ending up on the bottom of a lock just sits there; a V-bottomed boat (which, as a Springer, I guess this is) will tip over -- and therefore becomes much wider and liable to get stuck.
This is also a very valid possibility although I suspect most of the shallow V would just sink into the silt.
I got the impression from Paul C's post it's been cleared now. Is that correct?
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Try it, you'd be surprised. A good fling in and they tend to settle in the putty, a good bit of effort is needed to get them out again. Some use studs, dollies or pulleys to gain an advantage for retrieval.
Thank you for this Gazza.
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Oh no, not that one again. I believe this forum is for lovers of boating and not restricted to canals. Are you suggesting that only those on canals can be members? What about those that boat on both rivers and canals, where do they stand in your eyes. There are plenty of members who do lumpy water boating, should we kick them out as well.
Phil
I think everyone was joking. Gazza is correct to point out the additional uses of fenders on rivers. On the canal they should just be used to stop boats going bump in the night.
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Napton Narrow Boats, one of the bigger fleets, are at the bottom of the flight, there boats use this flight week in week out and they are a "standard width" Napton don't specify 6 foot 9 inches or anything. When was the last time one got stuck. You can bet the hire company would be on the case very quickly...
Yes, there are tight locks, Hurleston, this one, Shuttleworths, Lock 44(?) on the Stratford, that's where boats that have a little bit of a twist or spread get found out. It IS the boat...
I travelled with a sixty foot springer from Hockly Port quite a lot, it had spread enough to squeal in and out of the entire Stourbridge Flight
True, does the V shaped hull make it more or less likely to stick?
I'm sure this Springer has been through it's fair share of narrow locks too.
Ok, we'll just wait until a boat gets stuck then. I wonder how the hire boats are getting on?
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224lb to hold a 20ton boat? Sounds a lot more convenient than banging mooring pins into stony/rocky/cement towpath .... can anyone explain how such a little weight works please ... I might invest in some
My question was based on not being able to bang pins in. I can say the few narrow boats I've passed with mud weights didn't move so it seems to work.
I've also been told it's a good option on the Thames if you wan't to avoid mooring fees!
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It's personal preference, really, isn't it?
I used to cruise all the time with my fenders down.
Having had a few issues with extra-narrow locks, like some on the Stratford, I've got into the habit of picking them up just before I leave a mooring.
I find it easier to remember to do this than to remember exactly where the "tight" locks are.
Not sure why anyone leaves them down after setting off though. Surely it just increases the risk of forgetting to pull them up when you enter a lock.
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Napton Bottom lock is tight, Springers spread (as do other boats)
The problem with the "CRT aren't doing their job properly" approach is that the vast majority of boats do fit these locks, which suggests that the odd one that jams is just a touch wider.
It is possible it is the boat , but when locks are nicknamed banana lock, or tight lock, it gives it away really.
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Can the cyclists get past alright ?
Not forgetting ramblers, fishermen, dog walkers and alike.
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Why would fenders end up on the bottom of a canal ?
Because they sunk.
Seriously, some designed for narrow boats, like the thin long black one's don't float.
River type fenders being depolyed on a widebeam in a wide canal lock has got to be a bad idea. Don't forget any boat stuck in a lock inconveniences others.
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Possibly. Not sure really - I wonder what CRT thinks of it?
If it means more visitor moorings are freed up for others, that's got to be a good thing.
I'll ask next time I see a C&RT official.
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But that's a river, what's it got to do with this discussion?
You started it...lol
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I think It is possible to damage the clay lining of the canal (puddling clay) with mud weights. Not sure its a good option personally.
I thought that was only a problem using an anchor.
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So no talking about the Thames, the K&A the Trent or anywhere else then
In a square sided tin skip it's still an issue as the rubbing streaks or baseplate can catch.
As I said, little knowledge, which we all know is a dangerous thing.
We were in a lock on the upper Thames just recently where a plastic boat got it's fender rope stuck on a chain. It caused the boat to crash down violently into us.
So yes, little knowledge is dangerous.
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I've noticed a few narrow boats use mud weights to moor up in places where it's impossible to tie up.
Can anyone recommend what is required in terms of sufficient weights, positions, warp and chain to prevent a full size narrow boat from shifting into the middle of the canal when boats go past?
I saw one boat deploy them fwd, aft and middle for example.
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It IS a canal forum, not a rivers and fens forum!
You just beat me to that one.
I presume the lock walls on rivers and the fens have no appendages to snag a side fender then?
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But that wouldn't be such a good "knock C&RT again" story would it.
Snipe noted.
Buckland lock was already nicknamed the banana lock due to the bulge in the wall.
I have every respect for C&RT when they get things right. Seeing the number of lock walls gradually getting worse over the years, I'm not impressed with the prioritisation in the office department.
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I see the tone of this thread is descending, terms like "and of" and "precious boat" "stay in the marina" rather brings it down a level of two
Phil
I'm just expressing how strongly I feel about it. I assume most boats are kept in a marina these days. Mine was. Aren't all boats precious to their owners?
Have you ever been wedged in a lock by another boat who has it's side fenders deployed? It's veey frightening to see the water lap around your back door.
If anyone here still leaves their side fenders down in locks, please could they explain their thought process. The only excuses I can come up with are laziness or forgetfulness.
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To make any useful comment it would help to know in what manner it is stuck - half in/half out, lock empty/lock full, going up/down. The most obvious thing is to unstick it the opposite way to which it became stuck. Trying to force it further in the direction in which it became stuck only makes it more firmly stuck.
Perhaps it's become wedged in by a pile of fenders which have been broken off over the years.
More seriously, the lock wall may have broken down due to lack of maintenence. After all a lock did cave in on the Aylesbury arm a while back.
Lets hope it's something simple to correct.
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Maybe it's a banana or has a wide point under the water line.
Thanks for the information.
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Side fenders sometimes help prevent banging around when you are moored up, but that is the only advantage.
Anyone still using them in locks need to stop with immediate effect. They are dangerous. I've been wedged in a lock with another boat who's owner insisted on deploying them on both sides.
Side fenders on a narrow boat offer bugger all protection in the event of a side impact from another narrow boat anyway. As someone else said, that's why your boat builder put rubbing streaks on it for you.
If you are that worried about your precious boat kissing something, please stay in the marina.
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Some truth at last.