Ishticar
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Is there any scientific proof that fish don't feel pain in their lips then? Or reason to believe they might not?!
What about the other fish who re not in this majority?
If they don't feel pain in their lips, why do fishermen often slap a bit of bonjela on them before letting them go? I'm pretty sure the fish feel it when the hooks tear their lips, as can happen on occasion.
While fishing is not for me and it's not something I would choose to do for a lot of reasons, I do eat fish and don't have any strong opinions, positive or negative, about fishermen per se other than if they impact on my own life.
But if you're going to come out with ambiguous statements about scientific proof and generally trying to play down the image of sport catch and release fishing as distressing/ unpleasant/ harmful to fish, please provide some kind of verifiable and credible background evidence to support your claims.
25 years + of research by scientists and the EA have not proven conclusively that fish do or do not feel pain. The "bonjela" you see being used is an antiseptic that is applied to a fish that has a lesion (sore to the uninitiated) on its flank.
This is not a discussion I am going to persue further as you have your views, I have mine and never the t'wain shall meet. Let's agree to disagree.
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hi ishticar, I already have contacted you at the OBAC, well it was addressed to the secretary but obviously you have seen it. I understand the position, it was not your club that pegged out on the lock landings, I have duly informed John Ellis at CaRT. I would like to be assured that your club never fishes within 25m of a lock, whether as individuals or as part of a match, and that you will inform other clubs who use your waters of the rules, even though they should know already. I don't see that there is much else to say, such an assurance on this public forum would do much to reassure fellow boaters. I am also pleasantly surprised that the vitriol is all one way, that you have never heard a bunch (should that be shoal) of fishermen unfairly or fairly denigrating boaters.I'll give your members a pleasant nod, wave and hello next time I'm passing.
There were no altercations with the fishermen, "bad place to fish that, mate" ,looks of frustration from me and looks of confusion from them as I came close in to moor, followed by reasonable discussion. They hadn't a clue what problems they were causing, why they just shouldn't be there, code of conduct? Eh? That's how I found out that the match pegs had been put on the landings. Organised chaos!
Hello Mr Riley. You can rest assured that my club does not use the moorings as a peg to fish from, as only a couple of weeks ago we fished on Battyeford canal in Mirfield. We were pegged from the far side of the bridge, after South Pennine Boat Club marina up to the launch steps for the old scout hut. Every boat that passed was acknowledged by most anglers, including myself as we know most of the members of SPBC & given the courtesy of removing our rods whilst they passed, well before they reached us. We also have a rule that, under no circumstances should an angler cast his line at a moored boat or catapult bait towards them, we all use bait pots that deposit whatever bait we are using directly over the float.
I will be issuing a directive to all the clubs who apply to have matches on our canal stretches, Mirfield canal & Battyeford cut, that they DO NOT peg any moorings near lock gates at a minimum of 35 meters away to accomodate boaters. We have part time bailiffs but they don't often feel the need to police these stretches if they are booked by outside clubs. That said, I will endeavor to attend at weekends to see if matches are pegged correctly, working commitments allowing. The only thing we can't police is the day ticket anglers who turn up sporadically and set up wherever.
I hope this this goes some way to clearing up your views and concerns.
To answer the other persons concerns about catching fish with hooks. There is no scientific proof that fish feel pain in their lips. The majority of fish, when caught have been hooked in the membrane behind the lip. If you can prove me wrong then I will give up the sport I have enjoyed all my adult life and take up boating & trust me, that would be a disaster as I am lousy at 3 point turns.
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Nice to see I got my point across
Mr Riley, The reason you didn't get a reply until now is that the letter didn't arrive until last Wednesday. I was going to write to you to explain that this stretch was pegged by another club and, after looking on Google to research codes of conduct, I came across your post so I decided to look.
The vitriol in question came from the morons who decided to hijack the comments you made and make it personal. They need to grow up.
End of discussion.
Afterthought, If you (Mr Jim Riley) would like to contact me at the address you wrote to I would be more than happy to discuss issues with you on a one to one basis
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Hi Ishticar <waves furiously> mines a pint
Lend me a fiver and I will get the 1st round in
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Fishing should be banned anyway as a cruel sport. Far better they should spend their time hunting for deer and rabbits. At least you can eat what you catch
OMG Another PETA convert.
Let us keep this to the topic originally raised.
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Communication between all parties is preferable. If you acknowledge me I will reciprocate with a smile, a wave even an invite to the local pub. Abuse me and...........................
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Let me introduce myself.
I am the President of Old Bank Angling Club, have been for the last 2 years and have been a member of said club since 1974, holding many positions of office.
In answer to Mr Riley and his "open" letter of complaint. Why did you not wait to get a written response to your letter instead of publishing for "ALL" to see?
On the date in question we did not hold a match on these canals nor did we plan to. The club in question was Mirfield Angling Club. We have an agreement with them that, if the river is unfishable, for whatever reason, they may use the canals.
You state, quote, "It seems that they were going to have the match on the river stretches but because the levels were high used the canal instead", you also state, quote, "On arriving at the Mirfield Flood lock the gates were shut". If the river was high and the flood gate shut didn't that tell you something? Should you have been travelling or moored in a safe haven until levels subsided?
The canals and their towpaths are open to all users and as such should be used sensibly. I do not condone the actions of irresponsible anglers nor do I accept that it is always anglers that are in the wrong. Were there visible signs warning anglers not to fish in this particular landing area? If not, why not? There are plenty of signs to indicate that Old Bank Angling Club has the fishing rights on these stretches. If these said signs have been removed, vandalised or whatever, whose responsibility is it to get them replaced?
As a responsible club we welcome comments that are constructive to better assist us in our endeavors to maintain peace and harmony with other users, BUT, I WILL NOT accept blanket abuse as has happened in this forum without first waiting for a reply.
I frequently am in contact with boaters on our canals and the vast majority are good natured with plenty of amusing banter. Then there is the odd one who makes a beeline for the towpath in the hope of disrupting a match that is in progress, as a minimum. I have had 2 keepnets completely shredded and the fish in them killed over the last 5 years. I fish for sport, not to kill, catch and release. Was that the thought of the morons who killed my catch? I think not.
As a boater you will pay a fee to use the canal, ie, licence, mooring fees and the like. Old Bank Angling Club also pays an annual fee to be able to fish these canals.
If you had had the decency to wait for a written response then I would not have had to reply this way and have to respond to this vitriol.
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Angling match pegged on lock moorings!
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Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I am in the process of finding out which club had this match. Once I have all the facts I will make sure they never fish on our waters again, if proven to be pegged wrongly.