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Obviously the best is the Webasto ones we use but this works, not with the latest heaters but for the Thermo Top C will work perfectly well enough.
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On 04/09/2018 at 23:47, blackrose said:
What's the difference between the Thermotop E 4.2kW narrowboat kit and the standard kit?
The ECU is different to allow lower voltage operation, the kit also has a proper marine exhaust system, correct length loom and many other bits to ensure BSS compliance, but most importantly if you fit a standard heater to a boat you will not get the three year warranty and may not even have any warranty at all.
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23 hours ago, nickfryer said:
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Hi there NMEA. Can you tell me what the Thermo EVO is like in terms of reliability now it has been out a while?
I have fitted two Webasto Thermotop C 5.2kw (the marine ones) in two boats over the last five years and have been highly delighted with the reliability and use.
I now have a small 2 bed holiday chalet, (no gas) and I am considering putting a Webasto in here. 6 Radiators and hotwater but do I go for the newer Thermo EVO or stick with the Thermotop C ? I would appreciate your views on this. Thanks. Nick
Bit early to make any informed comment yet Nick, However the Evo has been used in vehicles for a long time now without major issues, I am fitting one to my New Shogun and am not concerned. If you are putting six decent sized rads in a cabin and want hot water also I would be looking at a Kabola Compact 7 Combi to be honest.
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My last boat was fly by wire from new but reto fitting the control systems would be eye wateringly expensive, especially if not already fitted with hydraulic steering. Just a suggestion but have you considered a front camera and a large daylight viewable screen? that is used on large ships and very effective, also a cheaper and transferable solution.
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Do you mean a Pro 50 vehicle unit or a pro 50 water station, the Water station is the only one approved for marine use and available in 24v only? Personally I would go pressurised, we fit almost exclusively these days, never fit thermostatic valves as the induce the boiler to cycle, not a good thing, the best thing you can do is have a good read of the Webasto marine install manual, it will answer all your questions and some you may not even have thought of yet. If you drop an email to ecmhe@talktalk.net I will ping you back a copy.
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Good news for others fitting units in the future, if a TTC is flattening your batteries then I think you need to look at either your charging regime of battery bank, over a two hour period a TTC should use less than 3.5ah.
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The TTC has only two heat levels so your pump speed reduction indicates a reduction to half heat. Good news is the new Thermo EVO is now available, it is fully modulated just like the air heaters so should go a long way to stop this happening, only in 24v at the moment though.
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See my reply to your PM.
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Looks like it needs a visit then, which marina are you in?
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I am Mikuni trained in London, what is the issue, I may be able to help without incurring expense, parts are getting scarce for them now.
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I think people get a little confused about what antifreeze is, briefly antifreeze is a mixture of Glycol and additives which include inhibitor, the inhibitor adds nothing to frost protection but is essential to help prevent internal corrosion of the system parts including boiler and radiators. Glycol maintains its frost protection for some considerable time, but inhibitors become less effective and therefore many people change their antifreeze at regular intervals which is a way of replenishing the corrosion protection but does mean you are throwing away perfectly good glycol which is also quite toxic to the environment. The great thing about using an antifreeze like the Flomasta one, or indeed any other that you can source a compatible inhibitor for is you keep the glycol content and top up the corrosion inhibitor, cheaper and better for the environment.
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All our installs are down south so -11 is fine for us, you could increase the concentration to say 33% for more protection but not too much as it then affects the efficiency of heat transfer, not usually a real issue as the rads on many installs are well below the hearer capability anyway. I see little point in removing the heater unit for the winter really, other than you could use the opportunity to clean it out.
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We use Flomasta inhibited central heating antifreeze from Screwfix in all new installs at 25% concentration, it is economical and the Flomasta inhibitor is compatible so you can top up to maintain the anti corrosion properties and extend the drain down and refill intervals.
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On 23/09/2017 at 13:37, jddevel said:
I fitted my Webasto as a sealed system with no header tank with a feed including isolating valves and a removable feed hose as in a domestic combi from the domestic supply. However as was pointed out to me filling the system was going to be difficult that way to introduce anti-freeze PLUS and extremely important the possibility of contaminating the domestic supply with anti-freeze. A definite no no. So converted it to include a header tank.
A case perhaps of a little knowledge etc.
Introducing antifreeze and topping up to a sealed system is straight forward and filling loops have non return valves to ensure no back flow, do you really believe WRAS would appove such systems to the municiple domestic supply otherwise. As you rightly say, a ittle knowlege etc.
6 hours ago, David Mack said:There's nothing in the product description that says that central heating inhibitor has antifreeze properties. Is it as good as a car antifreeze/inhibitor product?
Short answer is yes.
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12 hours ago, Johny London said:
Yes, thanks for that ) I see the flomasta - 5l for £20. I'm not sure of my heating capacity (the rad information doesn't cover capacity) I'm guessing a couple of those for the average narrowboat system?
I have yet to encounter an "average" system
don't forget that 5l of the stuff makes 20l of coolant at 25% concentration which is quite a lot, when installing new systems we also dilute with deionised water being the absolute pedants we are. As for calculating the coolant volume, this will help https://inspectapedia.com/heat/Radiator_Volume_BTUs.php
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Flomasta is the one, it's their cheaper range but nothing wrong with it at all.
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Use Screwfix own brand inhibited central heating antifreeze. Their inhibitor is compatible so no need to drain down and replenish every two years as you can just add inhibitor to keep the corrosion protection going.
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Are you looking for 3/16" BSP valve, if s, male or female or one wih compression fittings for 3/16" tube?
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There is a very good reason for having an uninteruptable electricity supply. Should power be accidentally turned off when the heater is in full burn then the latent heat would not be dissipated by the coolant and the heat exchanger or ECU could be damaged. I do sometimes take power from the permanent live side of the isolator switch if that is more convenient and neater.
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Will be OK if the silencer is mounted horizontally with the condensate drain at the bottom as they are made from stainless, also lag well to keep the heat in and reduce condensation.
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It will all be good when it' finished, you do seem to taking a pride in getting it right which will pay dividends in reliability.
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The exhaust will be fine with the extra swan neck at the skin fitting which is quite important to stop water ingress, provided you lag it properly to keep the exhaust gasses as hot as possible.
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This epic, arrived at a customers boat at 8 this morning, fitted the heater and left at 4. The rads and plumbing were all installed already though otherwise it would have been three days
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You could have saved so much time (and probably money) by just buying the correct narrowboat kit in the first place as it has all you really need.
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don't forget that 5l of the stuff makes 20l of coolant at 25% concentration which is quite a lot, when installing new systems we also dilute with deionised water being the absolute pedants we are. As for calculating the coolant volume, this will help
How hot is a Webasto Thermo Top C?
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I often have a bit of a chuckle at some of these Webasto threads. The Webasto TTC only runs at a maximum of 72 degrees Centigrade, the ignition point of even pine is 180, we mount them on wood all the time without issues, this low temperature is one of the reasons they don't work well with blower boxes, the new replacement model (Eco 5.0) runs ten degrees hotter to enable them to use hot air blowers too. If you are concerned (which you really needn't be) then use slightly longer screws on the H bracket, another method is to mount the whole setup on an aluminium plate and then mount that to the surface al la Mikuni MX 40. Cut a 75mm dia hole in the cladding where the exhaust skin fitting exits and lag the area well though. Most of this info is in the marine install instructions that come with the kit anyway so have a good read of that.