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For the purpose of the poll, I would define a boater as somebody whose visit to a canal is with the intention of going on board a boat.
Broadly speaking somebody for whom the maintenance of the canal in a condition suitable for boats to use it is vital to their use.
The number of boaters is the number of distinct people that were on board your boat (other than people who have their own boat)
The number of visits is as you say, each day upon which any of these people were on board is a visit.
Thanks for the clarification. However, I think to answer honestly I would have to say that - since for most of the time it's my son who is the only one on the boat - there is really only one 'boater'. If I then do a (very rough) calculation of the number of visitors to the boat during 2012, and the number of times they visited, I would have to tick the 501 - 1000 box. I can't help feeling that this somewhat 'skews' the figures!
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I'm finding this somewhat difficult to answer!
During most of 2012 there was just one boater on my boat most days of the year, but there was no-one on her over several weekends. A fair amount of the time there were 4 'boaters' on her - if we count the grandkids as 'boaters'! Once or twice during the year there were 6 or more, and at New Year there were as many as a dozen!
So, do I count each day on the boat by each 'boater' as one 'visit'? Only it's beginning to look as though it would take a long and somewhat complicated sum, and I'm not very good at sums!
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Greenie to Sally for posting here (even with her somewhat eye-watering mixed metaphors
)Let's hope it's a sign that the communication can continue!
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We gingas rule the world :-)
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Yeah, but "HOW BOATERS ACT ON CANALWORLD" was really very good!
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PS Are there pictures? Would love to see the 'Before' and 'After' if possible!
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Brilliant! But rather frightening
as my son has been planning to do our boat this summer! I may have to print out and show him your list, Starry -
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Since discovering CWDF I have read it daily, but posted infrequently, so rarely feel the need to 'log in'.
Love the info, hate the arguments! But as long as the one far outways the other I keep coming here
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We were told that our boat was named after the original owner's grandmother, Polly, who was born on a narrowboat moored outside the Hollybush pub. It's a nice story, with a real canal history, so why change it?
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trying to read an O S map by forthright.
Eh?
Predictive text can come up with good'uns sometimes, can't it?
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But my point is the market HAS decided. It's been listed multiple times at lower reserves and not sold.
Why will CRT not take what the market is prepared to pay, by lowering the reserve each time they re-list it instead of raising it?
MtB
All part of the nonsense of a price "below which it would not be economical to let the mooring". So it's more 'economical' to let a mooring fail to attract any bids at all, and to stand empty? BW and now CRT have obviously never heard the old saying "Half a loaf is better than no bread"!
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Mike is talking about the published Guide and Reserve prices, not what the moorings are actually fetching.
I challenge you to show me one advertised at Ricky where the reserve price is approaching £3K!
True!
I just wonder what any future moorings coming up in the area will be priced at Has a precedent been set? But although I don't actually know Cropredy, Hungerford town is a fairly expensive (aka 'posh') area, so I would expect the moorings there to be highly priced.
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Location, location, location!
Hungerford is posh, don't ya know! But if you think that's expensive, try Rickmansworth!
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I agree! I think that far too often we tar the workers for CRT with the same brush as their bosses. Many of those 'at the top' really are nothing to do with the waterways. They could be 'managers' of anything! I have found all the CRT staff 'on the ground' (or in the water?) with whom I have come into contact to be helpful, sympathetic and co-operative.
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Just had a survey drop through my mailbox from CRT
asks about boating habits and views on the Roving Permit.
As usual with these surveys its cleverly worded so they get the answer they want.
Answering the survey aimed at boaters with a home mooring in the area in question, I didn't find the questions 'cleverly worded' as you suggest. I was able to answer them all in a way I felt was accurate and useful, and also took the oportunity to add further comments where asked. I felt it was a good survey.
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It really looks lovely, and so light! Our boat is a very similar layout, but has no windows in the doors or on each side of them as yours has, and it really is noticeable what a difference it makes. And I just love the stained glass!
Oh, and I have a chair upholstered in the same fabric as yours! Not on the boat, but in my conservatory
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But Cotswoldman seems to be saying even for those with the grandfather rights (and some could be quite young still), the Roving Mooring Permit is only a stopgap solution while for the 'affordable moorings' are created.
MtB
I'm afraid I think the 'affordable moorings' are a bit of a pipe-dream, at least in the area where the Roving Permits are needed.
I was recently involved in a 'bidding war' for a few moorings which came up in the area. I know some of the people we were bidding against, and that they were (are!) as desperate to get a mooring as we were. However, those moorings were by no means "affordable", except by the very fortunate, and there were approximately four times as many people bidding for each of them as there were moorings available. If we hadn't been amongst the fortunate few, we would probably be looking into the possibility of getting a Roving Permit!
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The suggestion of widespread illiteracy is a fragile straw to clutch at mind! Basing a lifestyle on an agreement you can't read is not exactly prudent mind, and putting a shakey X at the bottom without a grown up to help is even more stupid. 9 times out of 10 things are precisely how they appear to be and selective hearing is by far and away the most likely explanation.
I was not suggesting "Widespread illiteracy". To do so would be insulting. The fact is that a lot of perfectly intelligent people find 'the small print' hard to follow. Just look at the debates on what exactly "Bona Fide for navigation" means on this forum!
What I am saying is that face to face with "the lowly peon" of your hypothesis, most of the people concerned would have taken what they were told as being an accurate interpretation of what was required of them.
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"Here is a set of carefully worked out guidance formulated by our legal team and is our corporate policy".
Is unenforceable, contrary to the intention of parliament and stops me doing what I want so I reject it.
"Here is the concession made by a lowly peon in the organisation in the interests of a quiet life that you are ok travelling through 3 parishes"
Brilliant! This character has no right to formulate policy and what he says contradicts policy but this allows me to do as I want so I believe it.
But for a lot of the boaters in question, those who are likely to need the Roving Permit, their primary (or possibly only) contact would have been with the 'lowly peon'! They might not even be aware of the "carefully worked out guidance formulated by our legal team". Don't assume everyone would have read the 'small print' (or even that they are all able to! - after all, even some of the erudite users of this forum have found Nigel Moore's posts difficult to follow!
) They asked, and were told, what they were required to do, and have - some for many years - just done that. It's no use talking about what they should have done at this point. I think we should now simply applaud the work which has been done by all those who have negotiated the solution to the problem, boaters and CRT alike.
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It was great to actually meet some people from this forum this year
Thank you to everyone who has posted pictures! I have also posted some of my photos on facebook, but for those who don't 'do' that place, I've also put some in a picasaweb album. Here's the link; https://picasaweb.google.com/elaine.simons/RickmansworthCanalFestival2013?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCLCh2fWxqpDbLw&feat=directlink
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Had a lovely day at the festival yesterday, and once again didn't (knowingly!) see anyone from the forum!
We did notice Ecky Thump as we passed on the towpath as we were making our way home - what a beautiful boat! - but by then we were a little footsore and just wanted to get the kids back to the boat for their tea. Going again today - looking forward to seeing our friends Bill & Michelle & co this afternoon:
Hope to see some CWDF people, but once again I expect we will be occupied with the kids / buying ice creams, candy floss, and rides in the fun-fair!
Anyway, "party on and be excellent to each other, dudes!" -
Jenny Jones makes the BBC London News again http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22568155
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as my son has been planning to do our boat this summer! I may have to print out and show him your list, Starry 
I just wonder what any future moorings coming up in the area will be priced at 
Has a precedent been set? 
Hungerford is posh, don't ya know! 
- but by then we were a little footsore and just wanted to get the kids back to the boat for their tea. 
Anyway, "party on and be excellent to each other, dudes!" 
Canal and River Trust Heritage Film
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Lovely! Thank you very much for posting it