David Schweizer Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) Can anyone confirm that Wheelock Bottom Lock No.65 was once known as "Bates Lock" during the second half of the 19th century ? Going through some Census and Birth records I have found the same family listed as living at 3 Bates Lock with an older generation of the same family living at 1 Bates Lock. However other Census and Birth records list them as living at either Cottons Lane lock or Bottom Lock, both of which would suggest the same location, as Cotton Lane (Named after a local landowner) runs from the Village to Bottom Lock. The location would seem correct for both the families as they both worked at the forge which was located immediately below Bottom Lock, but the problem is that there are only two buildings at that location, one is quite a large cottage, which was presumably the Lock Keeper's cottage (Perhaps at one time a Mr Bates?) and a building behind the towpath hedge alongside the lock, which appears from the map to be a former agriculturasl building, and part of Canalside Farm, which has no real access to the towpath. Neither of these seem to fit the building which was split into several units of accomodation. so where were these homes? Any help or information would be welcomed. Edited January 21, 2019 by David Schweizer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard T Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 David, Looking at the old 25inch map there appears to be three buildings by the bottom lock One is quite big and the other by the fence lines could well be a pair of semi-detached cottages. You can see them by following this link https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=19&lat=53.1298&lon=-2.3682&layers=168&right=BingHyb This web site is really useful for looking at historic data. All the best Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Schweizer Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, David Schweizer said: Can anyone confirm that Wheelock Bottom Lock No.65 was once known as "Bates Lock" during the second half of the 19th century ? Going through some Census and Birth records I have found the same family listed as living at 3 Bates Lock with an older generation of the same family living at 1 Bates Lock. However other Census and Birth records list them as living at either Cottons Lane lock or Bottom Lock, both of which would suggest the same location, as Cotton Lane (Named after a local landowner) runs from the Village to Bottom Lock. The location would seem correct for both the families as they both worked at the forge which was located immediately below Bottom Lock, but the problem is that there are only two buildings at that location, one is quite a large cottage, which was presumably the Lock Keeper's cottage (Perhaps at one time a Mr Bates?) and a building behind the towpath hedge alongside the lock, which appears from the map to be a former agriculturasl building, and part of Canalside Farm, which has no real access to the towpath. Neither of these seem to fit the building which was split into several units of accomodation. so where were these homes? Any help or information would be welcomed. This should of course read Wheelock Bottom Lock No. 66 54 minutes ago, Richard T said: David, Looking at the old 25inch map there appears to be three buildings by the bottom lock One is quite big and the other by the fence lines could well be a pair of semi-detached cottages. You can see them by following this link https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=19&lat=53.1298&lon=-2.3682&layers=168&right=BingHyb This web site is really useful for looking at historic data. All the best Richard Thanks for that Richard, that is the clearest map I have seen, and I agree that there appear to be at least three, and possibly four cottages below the lock which I am sure must include the two homes I have already referred to. The map also indicates that the "agricultural" building i mentioned as being behind the towpath hedge is not there, so is a later building. Edited January 21, 2019 by David Schweizer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 Is this where Cooke windlasses were hammered out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyboy Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, magnetman said: Is this where Cooke windlasses were hammered out? Could well be. This book looks quite interesting. https://www.reprintuk.com/books/a_brief_history_of_the_windlass Edited January 21, 2019 by Flyboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Schweizer Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, magnetman said: Is this where Cooke windlasses were hammered out? 1 hour ago, Flyboy said: Could well be. This book looks quite interesting. https://www.reprintuk.com/books/a_brief_history_of_the_windlass Long serving members of this forum may recall that, some years ago, I was researching the history of Wheelock windlasses before I was diagnosed with Cancer. Two years of Chemo, major surgery and recovery left the trail rather cold, but I have recently determined to finish it, hence the question in this thread, which with Richard T's post has solved one of the questions I had. I still have a bit of research to complete, but maybe by the end of this year I may be able to produce the article I have been working on. I have a copy of the book referenced but, unfortunately, it does not give very much information about Wheelock windlasses, despite it's title. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyboy Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, David Schweizer said: Long serving members of this forum may recall that, some years ago, I was researching the history of Wheelock windlasses before I was diagnosed with Cancer. Two years of Chemo, major surgery and recovery left the trail rather cold, but I have recently determined to finish it, hence the question in this thread, which with Richard T's post has solved one of the questions I had. I still have a bit of research to complete, but maybe by the end of this year I may be able to produce the article I have been working on. I have a copy of the book referenced but, unfortunately, it does not give very much information about Wheelock windlasses, despite it's title. I haven't read the book but this reference to CT Cooke of Wheelock caught my eye. " Reference is made to the specialist windlasses made by J H Cooke of Wheelock, Cheshire which carried his distinctive churchwarden's pipe trademark". You may find info on the Bates family if you go into the church records for births and deaths. Bates is quite a common name around the Wheelock and surrounding areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boater Sam Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Flyboy said: I haven't read the book but this reference to CT Cooke of Wheelock caught my eye. " Reference is made to the specialist windlasses made by J H Cooke of Wheelock, Cheshire which carried his distinctive churchwarden's pipe trademark". You may find info on the Bates family if you go into the church records for births and deaths. Bates is quite a common name around the Wheelock and surrounding areas. The name is common in Sandbach too, round the corner. Hence "Blaster" Bates. He was a special constable in Sandbach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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