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8 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

And of course, it gets worse as things break on a regular basis and need replacing you never get to the stage of 'we've got a bit of money lets buy something ………………….'

yes I meant the main big costs with the fitout I am fully expecting problems ongoing but want the life that being on a boat offers and its worth it to get out of the rat race there will be challenges on the way I am sure have had enough already !

13 minutes ago, WotEver said:

Don’t think it’ll ever stop. It won’t  ;) 

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8 minutes ago, WotEver said:

Don’t think it’ll ever stop. It won’t  ;) 

That's right. I started off "camping" in my boat full time without any water or other services and gradually fitted it out while living onboard.

 

18 months later my dad asked me when I was going to get all my stuff out of his garage. I'd originally told him it would be there for about 3 months!

 

I'd more or less finished the fit-out after 3 years of doing it on weekends, but nearly 14 years later I've still got a long list of jobs that need doing. By the time you've finished fitting it out the boat needs blacking and is starting to need repairs to various areas, and so it goes on....

3 minutes ago, Peter009 said:

yes I meant the main big costs with the fitout I am fully expecting problems ongoing but want the life that being on a boat offers and its worth it to get out of the rat race there will be challenges on the way I am sure have had enough already !

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You're not really getting out of the rat race, you're just getting into a different one!

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4 hours ago, pearley said:

That doesn't work for us. We've tried it with resistive loads ftom 100 watt up to 1000 watt and it doesn't make any difference.  Victron tell me it is due to something called grid detection in the Zanussi.

 

One of the earlier posts mentioned warranty on boats. John Lewis were happy to confirm that their warranty would still be honoured.

Interesting re John lewis - I suppose they can afford to cover the odd boat claim given their pricing but it was manufacturers and esp Domestic and General insurance who are adamant that boats are non - standard and the 240 supply is equally so.

Our set up is/was 100% mastervolt 

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2 hours ago, Peter009 said:

If we were to go for an onboard diesel generator are we allowed and is it safe to keep that in the engine bay if so we are going that way and will research diesel generators safety is always a priority with us and we wont take any risks at all with the boat or other boats safety near us 

Diesel generator perfectly safe in the engine bay. As blackrose has said, make sure it is a 1500 rpm unit rather than 3000 rpm. Much less noise,  cheaper to service and make sure there is  proper control over the speed and thus frequency. Many appliances don't like a fluctuating frequency. All though Northern Lights are good generators, so are Onan which us what we have, with remote start in the kitchen.

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On 29/12/2018 at 14:04, Peter009 said:

I did like the idea of the honda as it also uses LPG but safety is a number one priority at all times and not taking any risks with this so will be doing more research before buying anything 

I`ve a Honda which has been converted to use LPG as well (total cost £1199) bought from registered dealer in East Anglia. When I took it into a local Honda agent in Cornwall for its first service they said the guarantee would be void due to LPG conversion. So get guarantee from dealer in writing. One small point I wish I`d thought about when fitting out my sailaway and will now do retrospectively, get a mains hook up point in the bow as well as the stern besides obvious land based hook ups it means I can keep the gas in the gas locker and the generator on the bank at the bow away from the galley/lounge area thus reducing noise pollution assuming your moored up away from others. They do seem quite quiet and also don`t affect the computer etc (Pure sine wave). Have PMd you about washing machines.

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11 hours ago, jddevel said:

I`ve a Honda which has been converted to use LPG as well (total cost £1199) bought from registered dealer in East Anglia. When I took it into a local Honda agent in Cornwall for its first service they said the guarantee would be void due to LPG conversion. So get guarantee from dealer in writing. One small point I wish I`d thought about when fitting out my sailaway and will now do retrospectively, get a mains hook up point in the bow as well as the stern besides obvious land based hook ups it means I can keep the gas in the gas locker and the generator on the bank at the bow away from the galley/lounge area thus reducing noise pollution assuming your moored up away from others. They do seem quite quiet and also don`t affect the computer etc (Pure sine wave). Have PMd you about washing machines.

Good idea having for and aft connections BUT Think about how you isolate the unused socket ( which is really a plug ) when the other makes it live!!

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Just been using the B & Q app to get a better understanding of the design of the bathroom, we are now moving the partition out further to get more space, here is some pics of what I am thinking of doing can anyone see any issues with this setup.  The electrics will all be RCD complaint, the walls will be marine timber coated with PVA before tiling, same for the floor.  Have found a lower height shower screen and smaller bath.  Aprreciate will not be able to use the bath much at all until we have more capacity for hot water etc but wife wants the option of a small bath even if it is shallow.  Could not find a pic of the washing machine but just added a unit to shower where it will go in a cabinet.  All comments good or bad are welcome as am hoping I am close to a good solution thanks guys 1377833645_downloaddesign(3).png.c1e93d60c30f26a9064a85324459f95a.png78369824_download(2)frontview.png.09513faac42fa7137707b93dab609e9f.png

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6 minutes ago, Peter009 said:

The electrics will all be RCD complaint,

I know much was said earlier in the thread about the RCD, but just to confirm that the discussions were about building/wiring the boat to the RCD requirements of specification ISO 13297 "AC Electrical Systems for Small Craft" and NOT the use of RCD (Residual Current Device) in bathroom wiring.

 

Apologies if you were already on the right-track, but in the past there has been much confusion about "RCD"

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4 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

I know much was said earlier in the thread about the RCD, but just to confirm that the discussions were about building/wiring the boat to the RCD requirements of specification ISO 13297 "AC Electrical Systems for Small Craft" and NOT the use of RCD (Residual Current Device) in bathroom wiring.

 

Apologies if you were already on the right-track, but in the past there has been much confusion about "RCD"

Hi Alan, the wiring will definitely be in line with ISO 13297 as the marine electrician will do that, our electrician is great and is specialist in the marine and canalboat electrics so really glad I have him on the boat, the reference to the IP67/68 is the type of bulbs, extractors etc that are suitable for wet areas in boats such as the bathroom.  I will double check with the electrician regarding the correct lights, extractor fans etc and double check again against the requirements, but I have put them on to ensure that the correct equipment that is waterproof as much as it can be for the bathroom is brought and not standard domestic equipment.  So far I have brought the bath, shower and toilet getting delivered next week a cupboard will have to be made to house a compact washing machine and the plug for that will be external to the bathroom in the hallway.  Am hoping I am on the right track as this has been the hardest room of all the boat for some reason.  cheers

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Would the bath fit on the far wall below the porthole? In other words rotate it 90 degrees ccw?  If so, if you then put the toilet where the foot of the bath is currently, adjacent to the W/M, I think the result would look less cluttered. 

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13 minutes ago, WotEver said:

Would the bath fit on the far wall below the porthole? In other words rotate it 90 degrees ccw?  If so, if you then put the toilet where the foot of the bath is currently, adjacent to the W/M, I think the result would look less cluttered. 

I think it could possibily but when the wall is moved will be able to see I would prefer if I could do that but the concern is the shower would then be close to the porthole window and would get that wet all the time potentially which may be an issue with the porthole am not sure but am also considering that.  I think it looks a bit cluttered as I could only get pics of certain size units for the design but the sink will be smaller as well as a compact washing machine 

11 minutes ago, WotEver said:

 

Oh yes, you’ve put a label for ‘Shower pump?’  You won’t need one - your water pump supplies the flow. 

thanks I was not sure if it was needed or not so added it so as not to forget if it was thanks for clarifying that for me one less thing to buy !! :)

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3 minutes ago, Peter009 said:

thanks I was not sure if it was needed or not so added it so as not to forget if it was thanks for clarifying that for me one less thing to buy !!

But you will still need to buy one (for a spare when your primary one breaks on Christmas eve and you have no water for days and days)

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2 minutes ago, Peter009 said:

I think it could possibily but when the wall is moved will be able to see I would prefer if I could do that but the concern is the shower would then be close to the porthole window and would get that wet all the time potentially which may be an issue with the porthole am not sure but am also considering that.  I think it looks a bit cluttered as I could only get pics of certain size units for the design but the sink will be smaller as well as a compact washing machine 

Another possibility might be to slide the bath along the wall it’s already on, bringing it up to the door wall, and swapping the shower to the door end. That would give you more height for the shower, bring it a long way from the porthole, and allow you to put the W/M at the far end. 

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6 minutes ago, WotEver said:

and allow you to put the W/M at the far end. 

If the washing machine is on the 'outside' wall (porthole wall) it will make it much easier for the removal of the waste-water - straight out thru a hull-fitting.

Similarly with the sink - otherwise , 1) how do you 'hide' the waste pipe & 2) the 'slope' of the waste pipe could mean it exits the boat below the recommended 10" above the water line.

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11 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

But you will still need to buy one (for a spare when your primary one breaks on Christmas eve and you have no water for days and days)

Good point something to think about 

Just now, Alan de Enfield said:

If the washing machine is on the 'outside' wall (porthole wall) it will make it much easier for the removal of the waste-water - straight out thru a hull-fitting.

Similarly with the sink - otherwise , 1) how do you 'hide' the waste pipe & 2) the 'slope' of the waste pipe could mean it exits the boat below the recommended 10" above the water line.

The pipes are already boxed into the wall and accessible good point with the waste pipe and hiding it will look further into that thanks for that 

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7 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

If the washing machine is on the 'outside' wall (porthole wall) it will make it much easier for the removal of the waste-water - straight out thru a hull-fitting.

Similarly with the sink - otherwise , 1) how do you 'hide' the waste pipe & 2) the 'slope' of the waste pipe could mean it exits the boat below the recommended 10" above the water line.

Excellent points, both. 

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2 minutes ago, Boater Sam said:

If you move the bath to under the port hole and fit an opening port hole, you could shoot the coal straight in without carrying the bags through the boat.

 

It look fine, must be nice to have so much space to dedicate to bathing.

Hi we are looking at moving the bath under the porthole now so that we can have more space thanks for saying it looks nice, apart from the shower and toilet everything else is quite cheap.  If we ever get to live in the boat it would be lovely to have the bathroom but it seems to be a never ending project that is going on and on and on .... am sure a lot of you have experienced this so will not moan to much but it would be nice to have a life again !!!

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Only joking Peter. I'm sure it will be fine.

You do realise that no matter how well you plan and plot, 6 months down the line you will want to change things around. 

It only gets worse, within a short time you will want to do it all again after you have established exactly how you want your next boat.

This is why I always tell new boaters to buy an old one that sort of suits their needs and learn exactly what they want, then the first new one they do is the last.

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Would be interesting to see how many people use a 10 min. shower once a day or when ever, compared to the 20 mins (if I remember correctly having not had a bath only showered for over 30 years) needed to bath-fill empty clean and then there`s the amount of water used argument.  I must admit my wife insisted on a bath in the guest ensuite in the house but it`s only ever been used to bath the grand children. The older I get I`m sure the more difficult I will find it to even get into a bath. Perhaps if he`s not already done so the OP might consider hiring a boat with a bath. Just a thought.

My better half has just pointed out that if you`ve children or anticipate them then a bath is essential in her opinion. My mother still has the steel bath that I was washed in, in my early years.

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