How many pups are left

[no.341]

How many pups are there actually left in boats, where have they all gone?

 

[LadyG]

I give up, what's the answer?

??

and were dog boxes and pigeon boxes ever used for same, it seems a bit daft to carry live pigeons when a sawn off shotgun could get you fresh meat most days.

 

Edited December 22, 2018 by LadyG

[cereal tiller]

5 hours ago, no.341 said:

How many pups are there actually left in boats, where have they all gone?

 

Is there a Bolinder Register? would have thought that one Exists.......

[LadyG]

25 minutes ago, cereal tiller said:

Is there a Bolinder Register? would have thought that one Exists.......

You clever person, you.

 I wasn't being facetious. I don't know what a pup is in Boat Heritage.

[cereal tiller]

40 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I give up, what's the answer?

??

and were dog boxes and pigeon boxes ever used for same, it seems a bit daft to carry live pigeons when a sawn off shotgun could get you fresh meat most days.

 

I Mentioned Bolinder so you did not look like a M.U.G.

[LadyG]

4 minutes ago, cereal tiller said:

I Mentioned Bolinder so you did not look like a M.U.G.

Please God I'll never look like a MUG, but tell me, what is the answer? or do I have to google "Bolinder pup"?

Edited December 22, 2018 by LadyG

[cereal tiller]

7 minutes ago, LadyG said:

Please God I'll never look like a MUG, but tell me, what is the answer? or do I have to google "Bolinder pup"?

A Bolinder PUP  is a Swedish single Cylinder Diesel Industrial Engine which found it's way into quite a few Canal Boats ,it was Small enough and Fairly reliable .previous Diesels were too big for Small Boats.

Edited December 22, 2018 by LadyG

[LadyG]

1 minute ago, cereal tiller said:

A Bolinder PUP  is a Swedish single Cylinder Diesel Industrial Engine which found it's way into quite a few Canal Boats ,it was Small enough and Fairly reliable .previous Diesels were too big for Small Boats.

So is that the one that goes pop ....  blop.... pop... blop... , I know that's a Bolinder, were they all Pups?

[cereal tiller]

I know very little about Bolinders , they Transformed into Volvo a bit later or became part of Volvo.

[David Schweizer]

45 minutes ago, cereal tiller said:

I know very little about Bolinders , they Transformed into Volvo a bit later or became part of Volvo.

Bolinder merged with Munktell in 1932 and made tractors. The Bolinder Munktell company was aquired by Volvo in 1950 and continued to make tractors under the Bolinder Munktell name until the early 1970's when the name changed to Volvo. They still make tractors today.

 

edited:- for spelling error

 

 

 

 

Edited December 22, 2018 by David Schweizer

[cereal tiller]

5 minutes ago, David Schweizer said:

Bolinder merged with Munktell in 1932 and made tractors. The Bolinder Minktell company was aquired by Volvo in 1950 and continued to make tractors under the Bolinder Munktell name until the early 1970's when the name changed to Volvo. Thet still make tractors today

Thank You  David , I always knew that there was a Link between those Companies .just never quite sure what/when it was.

[Ray T]

1 hour ago, LadyG said:

You clever person, you.

 I wasn't being facetious. I don't know what a pup is in Boat Heritage.

 

[Mike Tee]

Slightly off 'Barking Pups' but does anybody have the link to Koukouvagia's Kelvin as a backing group to a towpath singer? I've often looked but can't find it.

[Ray T]

6 minutes ago, Mike Tee said:

Slightly off 'Barking Pups' but does anybody have the link to Koukouvagia's Kelvin as a backing group to a towpath singer? I've often looked but can't find it.

Found this one of OWL, Kelvin K2, with accompaniment.

 

Edited December 22, 2018 by Ray T

[BEngo]

1 hour ago, David Schweizer said:

The Bolinder Munktell company was aquired by Volvo in 1950 and continued to make tractors under the Bolinder Munktell name until the early 1970's when the name changed to Volvo. They still make tractors today

If you look at really big yellow earth movers and dump trucks some are badged VolvoBM.  The BM stands for Bolinder Munktell.

N

[Mike Tee]

Thanks, thats the one - still as good as I remember it! (And as usual for this forum, an amazingly quick answer)

[cereal tiller]

2 minutes ago, BEngo said:

If you look at really big yellow earth movers and dump trucks some are badged VolvoBM.  The BM stands for Bolinder Munktell.

N

Always wondered what the BM stood for ,Thank you .

[David Schweizer]

8 minutes ago, BEngo said:

If you look at really big yellow earth movers and dump trucks some are badged VolvoBM.  The BM stands for Bolinder Munktell.

N

 

I knew that.

[cereal tiller]

Just now, David Schweizer said:

 

I knew that.

And I do Now.Lol

[cuthound]

I once shared the Bunbury Staircase with Amy the Pup steered by the late Ike Argent.

 

Is Amy the Pup still about?

[philjw]

Maybe?

Amy The Pup Built by Unknown - Length : 13.25 metres ( 43 feet 6 inches ) - Beam : 2.13 metres ( 7 feet ) - Draft : 0.76 metres ( 2 feet 6 inches ). Metal hull N/A power of 999 HP. Registered with Canal & River Trust number 77822 as a Powered Motor Boat.  ( Last updated on Wednesday 22nd May 2013 )

[alan_fincher]

As I don't think it has been stated, although I'm no expert on Bolinders the "Pup" was the 9HP engine, I think, largely intended for use in motors that worked singly.

Where a boat was used in a pair with a butty the 15HP, (and possibly other models) were ar more common.

From memory of previous threads on this topic (on CWDF and elsewhere) very few of the Bolinders now in preserved historic boats are the 9HP "Pup".  Most are the more powerful 15HP model, even in FMC boats that might have once had a "Pup".

If a definitive list has been published of what engine s in which boats, I don't know where to find it.

I think Minnow has had a Pup in relatively recent history, but as what is now in it has a gearbox, I'm guessing what is currently there is larger.  As usual, I may be wrong. FMC boats and Bolinders are not really my forte!

 

1 minute ago, philjw said:

Maybe?

Amy The Pup Built by Unknown - Length : 13.25 metres ( 43 feet 6 inches ) - Beam : 2.13 metres ( 7 feet ) - Draft : 0.76 metres ( 2 feet 6 inches ). Metal hull N/A power of 999 HP. Registered with Canal & River Trust number 77822 as a Powered Motor Boat.  ( Last updated on Wednesday 22nd May 2013 )

They wee 9HP, I think, not 999HP! ?

[LadyG]

Not to go off topic, but is Kelvin a Glasow engineering/shipbuilding  company, and anything to do with Kelvin Hughes [Glasgow]

[cuthound]

52 minutes ago, alan_fincher said:

As I don't think it has been stated, although I'm no expert on Bolinders the "Pup" was the 9HP engine, I think, largely intended for use in motors that worked singly.

Where a boat was used in a pair with a butty the 15HP, (and possibly other models) were ar more common.

From memory of previous threads on this topic (on CWDF and elsewhere) very few of the Bolinders now in preserved historic boats are the 9HP "Pup".  Most are the more powerful 15HP model, even in FMC boats that might have once had a "Pup".

If a definitive list has been published of what engine s in which boats, I don't know where to find it.

I think Minnow has had a Pup in relatively recent history, but as what is now in it has a gearbox, I'm guessing what is currently there is larger.  As usual, I may be wrong. FMC boats and Bolinders are not really my forte!

 

They wee 9HP, I think, not 999HP! ?

 

Perhaps Ike had the turbo version? ?

Edited December 22, 2018 by cuthound
Ike, not auto corrected One

[Athy]

48 minutes ago, LadyG said:

Not to go off topic, but is Kelvin a Glasgow engineering/shipbuilding  company, and anything to do with Kelvin Hughes [Glasgow]

Kelvin was indeed a Glaswegian manufacturer of engines, run by a family called Bergius and located in Dobbie's Loan which is probably not as picturesque as it sounds. Their speciality was fishing boat engines and they survived until fairly recent times. This is from memory, I'm sure others will give more accurate information.

 

Kelvin Hughes? Didn't he play right-half for Leicester City?