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Well I've gone and done it and yes I know for many it's the wrong option but I've put the deposit down on a lined sailaway with additions that comes within my budget and now I've got to wait 12 months ... but in the meantime my thoughts or rather concerns now turn to where to moor the boat long term whilst I start on the fit out. I'd like to be near Atherstone on the Coventry I'm seeking your advice - given that I'm looking at the beginning of 2020 then is it too soon to start knocking on marina, wharf and boat yard doors ?

Is it usual for such places to take a holding deposit or reserve a mooring or is it pay in full even if the boat won't be there?

I also need a mooring that will tolerate me working on the boat and I've assumed that this would be acceptable but having walked past many moorings I've rarely seen any activity, more like cemeteries than marinas - is this frowned upon ?

Any suggestions for suitable long term moorings in and around the Atherstone area ?

 

Thanks in anticipation

 

Martin 

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I’d highly recommend Glascote Basin. 

But they do get full. So no harm approaching them now. 

Sarah who runs the yard is helpful and will get you in if she can. 

An advantage here is you can have your van/car by your boat which will save endless walks down a pontoon. 

I paid monthly when I was there. No deposit. 

Alvecote would be good too and they’ll most likely have space. But they require deposits and moneys upfront. 

 

If you’ve a short boat it’s easier to get in somewhere, if full length can be tricky. Mine’s only 48’ so I usually find a space easily. 

 

Which ever, no harm looking now. 

 

There’s Fazely, but they probably wont want noise. 

Springwood Haven might be worth a look?

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11 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

I think your last paragraph could be the problem. Fitting the boat out in a marina. You may do better to find an online farm type mooring, they may be more relaxed

Thanks - that's what I was kind of wondering - I'm self contained with generator and tools and most of the fixtures I'd have made up ready for fitting anyway so perhaps I should be looking more towards the farm type mooring or preferably boatyard.

9 minutes ago, Goliath said:

I’d highly recommend Glascote Basin. 

But they do get full. So no harm approaching them now. 

Sarah who runs the yard is helpful and will get you in if she can. 

An advantage here is you can have your van/car by your boat which will save endless walks down a pontoon. 

I paid monthly when I was there. No deposit. 

Alvecote would be good too and they’ll most likely have space. But they require deposits and moneys upfront. 

 

If you’ve a short boat it’s easier to get in somewhere, if full length can be tricky. Mine’s only 48’ so I usually find a space easily. 

 

Which ever, no harm looking now. 

 

There’s Fazely, but they probably wont want noise. 

Springwood Haven might be worth a look?

Glascote would be ideal as well but as you said, when I've walked by in the past, it's always seemed so packed that I'd doubted it as an option but perhaps worth a call like you say. Thanks

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7 minutes ago, philjw said:

How about Baddesley in Atherstone itself? Probably difficult to get a space though. Or the on line moorings at the bottom of the locks towards Grendon?

Baddesley would be the perfect spot, I did search for contact details but all I could find were references to Barry Hawkins and his time there as a boat builder (of some repute) - as with Glascote, when I've wandered by it's always seemed full but it would be ideal - I've not seen the Grendon moorings, may be another hike this weekend - thanks for your comments.  

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1 minute ago, philjw said:

There is a listing of marinas on canaljunction:

http://www.canaljunction.com/boat/marinas_midlands.htm

 

Baddesley is not on it ?

Thanks for the link, I've just had a look - they seem to have all the major sites so I don't know why Baddesley wouldn't be included as it's big enough and busy enough to warrant inclusion. I did notice on Google Earth that there are offline moorings at Claypits winding hole but again these don't figure on any directory that I've seen. Guess that a lot of these places are accessed by 'word of mouth' and 'being in the know' which is a little difficult for a novice such as me ... but I'm getting there thanks to people like your good selves.  Cheers

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15 minutes ago, BEngo said:

Boot Wharf at Nuneaton?  Bit of a building site ATM but there always seems to be some fitting out going on when we pass.

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Just had a quick look for this one and I think I've seen it before on a YouTube vlog by NB Ed - thanks for the suggestion

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I think Baddesley would allow you to do your work on your boat. I was there for a couple of months a few years ago and it wasn't a problem.

 

I doubt you will reach them by phone so I suggest popping in there and ask for either Barry or Chas (who tends to be there all the time). You may have to shout through the fence/gate by the car park though because it's always locked.

 

They are a bit limited for room but it's worth sounding them out, especially as you don't want it until 2020.

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I can recommend Springwood Haven from personal experience - once you've bumped and bounced your car down the track to get to it. During our time as moorers there we certainly saw other boaters doing fitting-out work at their berths.

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There's CRT offside moorings with vehicle access at Tittle Hill, just outside Nuneaton. 

There have been spaces there for a while due to the old policy of removing local online moorings when a new marina is opened. This policy has now changed so it could be worth having a word with the local moorings manager. 

 

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If I were moored near / next to you, I would have no problem with a reasonable level of fitting out operations, but would be pretty exasperated if a near neighbour needed to do large amounts of generator running on a regular basis.

The suggestions about moorings like Grendon and Tuttle Hill are all very well, but it would make yours and your neighbours lives easier if you can find one with mains power.

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Fairly typical marina conditions :

 

Definitions : “Major Works” means work on the Vessel covering over 20% of the Vessel.  

 

6.       Work to Vessel 
 
6.1 Minor running repairs or minor maintenance works of a routine nature, including but not limited to, light sanding, staining, minor painting etc. which does not cause noise, disturbance, disruption or pollution to the Marina or other Marina users may be carried out to your Vessel without BWML’s permission.  Extensive external sanding, angle grinding, welding, internal refit, spray-painting etc. are considered Major Works and cannot be carried out within the Marina unless with BWML’s prior written consent and in accordance with Clause 6.4.  Maintenance may be carried out daily between 09.00 and 18.00 hours. When carrying out work, all BWML facilities, bollards, pontoons, service points etc. must be suitably protected, kept clean and tidy at all times, and appropriate Health and Safety legislation adhered to.  BWML reserve the right to charge the Owner for the full cost of any remedial works required as a result of any damage caused to the Marina as a result of your work. 
 
6.2  Prior written consent for work to be carried out at the Marina shall not, without good cause, be withheld where the work is to be carried out in strict accordance with the documents Working on Craft in Dry Docks and Working on Craft in Dry Storage (which are available upon request from BWML offices). 
 
 6.2.1.  The work to be carried out is work for which BWML would normally employ a    specialist sub-contractor; or 
 
 6.2.2.  BWML is satisfied that the whole of the work is remedial and not servicing and    is being carried out under warranty by the manufacturer and/or supplier of the    Vessel or any part of her equipment to which the warranty relates; or 
 
 6.2.3.  BWML has set aside an area of the Marina where the Owner may carry out    work on the Vessel and the work for which consent is sought is restricted to    that area.  
 
6.3.  The Owner must ensure that suitable risk assessments, method statements and a copy of the contractor’s third party liability insurance policy in the sum of £5,000,000 (five million pounds)  accompanies the request for consent referred to in Clause 6.1 above. The Owner must also ensure that contractors are only employed to carry out such repairs that they are qualified to undertake and that the contractors have the appropriate and requisite accreditations. For the avoidance of doubt, BWML reserves the right to refuse its prior written permission for the work once it has had an opportunity to consider the risk assessments and method statements of the contractor. 
 
6.4.  The Owner will only be permitted to undertake works on their Vessel for which they have deemed competencies in being experienced in the carrying out of the required operation or the use of any power tools, such as welders, grinders or hot cutting equipment that would require professional certification. Operations that require the use of such equipment should be advised to the manager or supervisor for that Marina prior to commencement and be accompanied with a method statement and risk assessment for this task. Where this is the case then this must be carried out in accordance with a Permit-to-Work (Hot Work Permit), copies of which can be found at the Marina office. For the avoidance of doubt, BWML reserves the right to prevent any person from operating such equipment in the Marina if appropriate certification or records of competency cannot be produced when requested by any member of BWML staff. 

 
6.5.  If the Owner is using contractors to carry out any work, the Owner must ensure that the contractors register with the Office upon their arrival and pay a registration fee to cover an administration fee, details of which are available at the Office upon request. 
 
The contractor must register with the Office or in the absence of an Office to the prearranged person on arrival and on departure of each day. 
 
Any contractors must follow the BWML registration process, providing copies of risk assessments, method statements as relevant and their liability policy. The contractor Registration Request must be submitted to BWML.  Any contractors will only be permitted to work on site once the manager or supervisor for that Marina has authorised all documents and provided a site induction. 
 
All documents must be submitted annually. Method statements and risk assessments must be resubmitted more regularly should the method of work change. New or additional method statements and risk assessments should also be resubmitted if the Owner or contractors need to change the method of working or use different materials once work has commenced. 
 
6.6.  BWML reserves its right to insist that contractors working on the Vessel on behalf of the Owner leave the Marina if either the Owner or the contractor has failed to comply with this Clause 6. 
 
6.7.  BWML also reserves its right to withdraw its consent if any work is carried out in contravention of the Working on Craft in Dry Docks and Working on Craft in Dry Storage document and/or in contravention with relevant Health and Safety legislation or approved codes of practice. 
 
6.8.  In carrying out any work the Owner shall not cause any nuisance and agrees to try his best to ensure that his contractor does not cause any nuisance to BWML and/or to any other users of the Marina and/or to any person residing in the vicinity of the Marina. If BWML receives any complaints regarding the work from any person using the Marina and/or from any person residing in the vicinity of the Marina, BWML reserves the right to either request a review of the method statement of the contractor so as to minimise or remove the nuisance, or to withdraw its consent for the work. 
 
6.9.  In the event that BWML withdraws its consent for the work for any reason set out in this Clause 6, the Owner shall instruct the contractor to leave the Marina immediately and the Owner shall immediately commence restoring the area in which the work was being carried out, into the condition it was in prior to the commencement of the work, including undertaking any remediation work that BWML decide is required, and shall complete same within a reasonable time from commencement of the work. 
 
6.10.  Prior to changing or modifying a Vessel, the Owner must receive written permission from BWML in order for the Vessel to remain at the Marina. This permission will not unreasonably be withheld. 

 

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2 hours ago, Grassman said:

 

I think Baddesley would allow you to do your work on your boat. I was there for a couple of months a few years ago and it wasn't a problem.

 

I doubt you will reach them by phone so I suggest popping in there and ask for either Barry or Chas (who tends to be there all the time). You may have to shout through the fence/gate by the car park though because it's always locked.

 

They are a bit limited for room but it's worth sounding them out, especially as you don't want it until 2020.

Thanks for the names and the heads up on contacting them

2 hours ago, Athy said:

I can recommend Springwood Haven from personal experience - once you've bumped and bounced your car down the track to get to it. During our time as moorers there we certainly saw other boaters doing fitting-out work at their berths.

Thanks Grassman - I've heard about the potholes but it does look like a nice place. I did see on their website that there's a one off 'entrance fee' of about £300, not sure what that's for ...

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1 hour ago, Alan de Enfield said:

Fairly typical marina conditions :

 

Definitions : “Major Works” means work on the Vessel covering over 20% of the Vessel.  

 

6.       Work to Vessel 
 
6.1 Minor running repairs or minor maintenance works of a routine nature, including but not limited to, light sanding, staining, minor painting etc. which does not cause noise, disturbance, disruption or pollution to the Marina or other Marina users may be carried out to your Vessel without BWML’s permission.  Extensive external sanding, angle grinding, welding, internal refit, spray-painting etc. are considered Major Works and cannot be carried out within the Marina unless with BWML’s prior written consent and in accordance with Clause 6.4.  Maintenance may be carried out daily between 09.00 and 18.00 hours. When carrying out work, all BWML facilities, bollards, pontoons, service points etc. must be suitably protected, kept clean and tidy at all times, and appropriate Health and Safety legislation adhered to.  BWML reserve the right to charge the Owner for the full cost of any remedial works required as a result of any damage caused to the Marina as a result of your work. 
 
6.2  Prior written consent for work to be carried out at the Marina shall not, without good cause, be withheld where the work is to be carried out in strict accordance with the documents Working on Craft in Dry Docks and Working on Craft in Dry Storage (which are available upon request from BWML offices). 
 
 6.2.1.  The work to be carried out is work for which BWML would normally employ a    specialist sub-contractor; or 
 
 6.2.2.  BWML is satisfied that the whole of the work is remedial and not servicing and    is being carried out under warranty by the manufacturer and/or supplier of the    Vessel or any part of her equipment to which the warranty relates; or 
 
 6.2.3.  BWML has set aside an area of the Marina where the Owner may carry out    work on the Vessel and the work for which consent is sought is restricted to    that area.  
 
6.3.  The Owner must ensure that suitable risk assessments, method statements and a copy of the contractor’s third party liability insurance policy in the sum of £5,000,000 (five million pounds)  accompanies the request for consent referred to in Clause 6.1 above. The Owner must also ensure that contractors are only employed to carry out such repairs that they are qualified to undertake and that the contractors have the appropriate and requisite accreditations. For the avoidance of doubt, BWML reserves the right to refuse its prior written permission for the work once it has had an opportunity to consider the risk assessments and method statements of the contractor. 
 
6.4.  The Owner will only be permitted to undertake works on their Vessel for which they have deemed competencies in being experienced in the carrying out of the required operation or the use of any power tools, such as welders, grinders or hot cutting equipment that would require professional certification. Operations that require the use of such equipment should be advised to the manager or supervisor for that Marina prior to commencement and be accompanied with a method statement and risk assessment for this task. Where this is the case then this must be carried out in accordance with a Permit-to-Work (Hot Work Permit), copies of which can be found at the Marina office. For the avoidance of doubt, BWML reserves the right to prevent any person from operating such equipment in the Marina if appropriate certification or records of competency cannot be produced when requested by any member of BWML staff. 

 
6.5.  If the Owner is using contractors to carry out any work, the Owner must ensure that the contractors register with the Office upon their arrival and pay a registration fee to cover an administration fee, details of which are available at the Office upon request. 
 
The contractor must register with the Office or in the absence of an Office to the prearranged person on arrival and on departure of each day. 
 
Any contractors must follow the BWML registration process, providing copies of risk assessments, method statements as relevant and their liability policy. The contractor Registration Request must be submitted to BWML.  Any contractors will only be permitted to work on site once the manager or supervisor for that Marina has authorised all documents and provided a site induction. 
 
All documents must be submitted annually. Method statements and risk assessments must be resubmitted more regularly should the method of work change. New or additional method statements and risk assessments should also be resubmitted if the Owner or contractors need to change the method of working or use different materials once work has commenced. 
 
6.6.  BWML reserves its right to insist that contractors working on the Vessel on behalf of the Owner leave the Marina if either the Owner or the contractor has failed to comply with this Clause 6. 
 
6.7.  BWML also reserves its right to withdraw its consent if any work is carried out in contravention of the Working on Craft in Dry Docks and Working on Craft in Dry Storage document and/or in contravention with relevant Health and Safety legislation or approved codes of practice. 
 
6.8.  In carrying out any work the Owner shall not cause any nuisance and agrees to try his best to ensure that his contractor does not cause any nuisance to BWML and/or to any other users of the Marina and/or to any person residing in the vicinity of the Marina. If BWML receives any complaints regarding the work from any person using the Marina and/or from any person residing in the vicinity of the Marina, BWML reserves the right to either request a review of the method statement of the contractor so as to minimise or remove the nuisance, or to withdraw its consent for the work. 
 
6.9.  In the event that BWML withdraws its consent for the work for any reason set out in this Clause 6, the Owner shall instruct the contractor to leave the Marina immediately and the Owner shall immediately commence restoring the area in which the work was being carried out, into the condition it was in prior to the commencement of the work, including undertaking any remediation work that BWML decide is required, and shall complete same within a reasonable time from commencement of the work. 
 
6.10.  Prior to changing or modifying a Vessel, the Owner must receive written permission from BWML in order for the Vessel to remain at the Marina. This permission will not unreasonably be withheld. 

 

Thanks Alan - interesting reading, the classification of internal refit as a major works is the closest approximation to my situation although the vessel that I will have comes fitted out to a sailaway lined with plumbing and electrics fitted as well as a full bathroom so the work I would be doing would be a partial fit-out but it's certainly a point I would need to clarify before undertaking any work.

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