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The pound is falling, the ruling party can’t rule, or agree among itself what to do. Politicians  are bringing the country into disrepute, the electoral system is seen to be unable to answer the wishes of the electorate. 

Manufacturing industry is hurting.

The whole attempt at brexit is going well isn’t it.

I realise that those of a brexit persuasion don’t like to look reality on the face, but please, just think about some of the people that support Farage et al, and then tell us all is well.

The usual suspects will tell me that it’s none of my business, as I live abroad, but that attitude is part of the problem, isn’t it.

Have a nice day in little england.

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2 minutes ago, Stilllearning said:

The pound is falling, the ruling party can’t rule, or agree among itself what to do. Politicians  are bringing the country into disrepute, the electoral system is seen to be unable to answer the wishes of the electorate. 

Manufacturing industry is hurting.

The whole attempt at brexit is going well isn’t it.

I realise that those of a brexit persuasion don’t like to look reality on the face, but please, just think about some of the people that support Farage et al, and then tell us all is well.

The usual suspects will tell me that it’s none of my business, as I live abroad, but that attitude is part of the problem, isn’t it.

Have a nice day in little england.

We are doing thanks. Its a beautiful sunny day here. We are starting the engine and going off to Somerton meadow or somewhere for a barby in a short while. Fantastic country for those of us that havnt quit and given up on it. Enjoy your snails. :cheers:

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7 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

Fantastic country for those of us that havnt quit and given up on it.

 

Especially for the 5000 steel workers in Scunthorpe, and those whose livings depend on the steelworks? Tell me the uncertainty over Brexit has nothing to do with British Steel going bump? 

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21 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

I agree. It aint going to happen, May has played a blinder and I am learning how to squeek like a remainer sycophant. I have ordered my deluxe prayer mat so I can bow to the scumbag Macron across the sea in Frogland.  Our only hope now is the collapse of the eu, its our only way out. Byeeeeeeeee.

I'm not so sure, The May deal is dead, unless Labour wake up to the fact, that she is pretty much offering them everything they want, but they are too blinded playing politics to see it, thankfully. She will go, and the likely replacement will be Boris. The two choices left will be revoke, or no deal, unless the eu change their position, which again seems unlikely. In the above circumstances, I think a no deal by default is the most likely outcome now. Remainers have faffed about too much and blown their chance.

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Just now, Phil. said:

unless Labour wake up to the fact, that she is pretty much offering them everything they want

But she isn't. There's no permanent customs union. a central plank of Labour's policy (and of the Leave campaign back in 2016, if truth be told).

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1 minute ago, Machpoint005 said:

But she isn't. There's no permanent customs union. a central plank of Labour's policy (and of the Leave campaign back in 2016, if truth be told).

I think you will find she is, it is just not called that. The backstop is the permanent customs union, as there is no alternative unless you have a hard border. She has gone even further now, saying that if the backstop comes into place, the whole UK will abide by it so the DUP will not think they are being hived off. 

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6 minutes ago, Machpoint005 said:

 

Especially for the 5000 steel workers in Scunthorpe, and those whose livings depend on the steelworks? Tell me the uncertainty over Brexit has nothing to do with British Steel going bump? 

The uncertainty over Brexit has nothing to do with British Steel going bump. If you actualy had any understanding of it and believed in the truth you would know its been in the shit since the early 70s.

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2 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

The uncertainty over Brexit has nothing to do with British Steel going bump. If you actualy had any understanding of it and believed in the truth you would know its been in the shit since the early 70s.

You had better tell that to them!   A representative yesterday was blaming Brexit related problems more or less being the straw that broke the camels back.

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4 minutes ago, Phil. said:

I'm not so sure, The May deal is dead, unless Labour wake up to the fact, that she is pretty much offering them everything they want, but they are too blinded playing politics to see it, thankfully. She will go, and the likely replacement will be Boris. The two choices left will be revoke, or no deal, unless the eu change their position, which again seems unlikely. In the above circumstances, I think a no deal by default is the most likely outcome now. Remainers have faffed about too much and blown their chance.

So it is the remainers fault? Voting to leave and having no responsibilities must feel wonderful. A complete balls up and “it’s nothing to do with me guv”. The referendum result was so close that it split the country, parliament is split for similar reasons, the right wing of the Tory party has shown itself to be a party within a party. 

Welcome to the world your votes created.

On a similar subject, I note that not one person commented on my mention of the total lack of morality of having an anti EU party standing in the elections, and all the candidates salivating at the chance to pocket vast amounts of € despite disapproving of the organisation that will be paying them. The clear lack of honesty and decency demonstrated says everything about the party.

I hope I sound as disgusted as I actually am.

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10 minutes ago, Stilllearning said:

So it is the remainers fault? Voting to leave and having no responsibilities must feel wonderful. A complete balls up and “it’s nothing to do with me guv”. The referendum result was so close that it split the country, parliament is split for similar reasons, the right wing of the Tory party has shown itself to be a party within a party. 

Welcome to the world your votes created.

On a similar subject, I note that not one person commented on my mention of the total lack of morality of having an anti EU party standing in the elections, and all the candidates salivating at the chance to pocket vast amounts of € despite disapproving of the organisation that will be paying them. The clear lack of honesty and decency demonstrated says everything about the party.

I hope I sound as disgusted as I actually am.

The fault has been trying to pander to the remainers and,or trying to frustrate leaving. As to earning bucket loads of euros, why not, everyone else in the eu is doing it, and of course anti eu parties should stand. I'm sure the eu would love it, if only rabid supporters were allowed. It would suit their purposes well.

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1 hour ago, cuthound said:

 

Equity release mortgages are already changing your model.

 

Their main purpose is to allow the finance sector to go over up money that previously would been inherited.

 

Hoover, not over. Bluddy spillchucker.

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13 minutes ago, Phil. said:

As to earning bucket loads of euros, why not, everyone else in the eu is doing it

 

The moral high ground is a completely alien landscape to Farridge and his embezzlers, isn't it?

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29 minutes ago, Stilllearning said:

On a similar subject, I note that not one person commented on my mention of the total lack of morality of having an anti EU party standing in the elections, and all the candidates salivating at the chance to pocket vast amounts of € despite disapproving of the organisation that will be paying them.

It is clear that the 'will of the people' is to leave.

It is the EU insistence that we partake of these elections that has forced us to spend Millions in holding the elections - why did they not just say the UK MEPs just 'carry-over' for the few weeks that you need until October when you leave anyway.

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36 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

If you actualy had any understanding of it and believed in the truth you would know its been in the shit since the early 70s.

 

If you had bothered to read up on the subject, you would know that the equity capitalists who took over that part of the steelmaking business promised great things.  Greybull Capital bought British Steel for £1 in 2016 from Tata Steel, and then rebranded it with the old British Steel name. They pledged to invest £400m to revive the company and within months it was boasting of a return to profit and a bright future. So don't try to pretend it's because of 1970s problems.

 

If this country is such a great one, how come it cannot make specialists steels profitably?    

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4 minutes ago, Machpoint005 said:

 

The moral high ground is a completely alien landscape to Farridge and his embezzlers, isn't it?

Farage serves a purpose, and a good one. He scared the government into giving us a choice, and now he is scaring both the main parties, who are trying to frustrate the choice we made.

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1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said:

It is clear that the 'will of the people' is to leave.

 

It isn't clear at all. What is clear is that three years ago there was a marginal preference, among those who expressed a preference, for an undefined future relationship with the EU27. What is becoming clear now is that nothing realistically achievable was ever going to appear, and the only way to break the impasse is to have a confirmatory vote/people's vote/third referendum. 

 

Plesbiscites are called when parliament cannot sort an issue out. It seems to me that the Tories have comprehensively ballsed things up fro the entire country by trying (just as unsuccessfully) to keep their own sorry excuse for a political party together.  History will judge them harshly.

1 minute ago, Phil. said:

Farage serves a purpose, and a good one. He scared the government into giving us a choice, and now he is scaring both the main parties, who are trying to frustrate the choice we made.

 

He scared the Tories into it. There was no referendum in the Labour manifesto in 2015. 

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12 minutes ago, mark99 said:

Amazing how the remoaners are silent over UK being at highest emploment rate since 70's.

In my case it is because I don't consider zero hours contracts and the other methods used to make the employment figures look good believable.   Anyone boasting of current high employment is clutching at straws and/or blinding themselves to the real situation with regard to employment.

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2 hours ago, Stilllearning said:

The pound is falling, the ruling party can’t rule, or agree among itself what to do. Politicians  are bringing the country into disrepute, the electoral system is seen to be unable to answer the wishes of the electorate. 

Manufacturing industry is hurting.

The whole attempt at brexit is going well isn’t it.

I realise that those of a brexit persuasion don’t like to look reality on the face, but please, just think about some of the people that support Farage et al, and then tell us all is well.

The usual suspects will tell me that it’s none of my business, as I live abroad, but that attitude is part of the problem, isn’t it.

Have a nice day in little england.

Its not a problem for me if the pound falls against the Euro, I buy things from this country or non EU countries, my holidays are here or non EU countries, My cars are from here or Japan by direct import by myself, so does it really mater if stuff from the EU becomes unaffordable, whilst our products become more affordable in the EU, bit of a win win for us

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2 hours ago, cuthound said:

 

Equity release mortgages are already changing your model.

 

Their main purpose is to allow the finance sector to go over up money that previously would been inherited.

I accept that but still, the sums the apparently impoverished younger folk will receive by inheritance will dwarf the sums the apparently financially bloated older generations received. We can evidence this by house prices which have rocketed in the past 20/30 years.

 

Personally I'd welcome an end to all the inter- generational squabbling over money and just accept that money is tight when you're young, less so when you're older. Certainly, when I was younger, buying a brand new car was out of the question and 2 weeks in Spain was the highlight of the year rather than being scoffed at, as it tends to be nowadays. So while the young might find it a bit tough to buy a house they tend to have lifestyles that would have been out of the question a generation ago. I appreciate this doesn't apply to everyone but it's generally the case. Let's end this apparent modern day drive for 'equality' facilitated by dividing the population up into defined groups, pitting them against each other, giving them different levels of apparent worthiness, it's nonsense.  

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30 minutes ago, peterboat said:

Its not a problem for me if the pound falls against the Euro, I buy things from this country or non EU countries, my holidays are here or non EU countries, My cars are from here or Japan by direct import by myself, so does it really mater if stuff from the EU becomes unaffordable, whilst our products become more affordable in the EU, bit of a win win for us

Is the pound only falling against the Euro?

How on earth do you only buy things from outside the EU? Supermarket shopping must be tricky, checking the source country for all the ingredients of your food.

Still, it’s your bubble, enjoy living in it.

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3 hours ago, KevMc said:

One reason that the retirement age has to increase is because we are all living a lot longer. When the OAP was introduced (at 65 & 60) the average life expectancy was around 70 and 75 would have been a good old age (I could be wrong about the exact numbers), so on average men were getting the pension for about 5 years - now life expectancy has increased substantially (due in no small part to the NHS) and is increasing all the time (albeit at a slower rate) so people are receiving their state pensions for longer.

Whilst in agreement that life expectancy has increased (or did until 2010) we are still asking today's youth to pay for the pensions of those now retired whilst simultaneously telling them that they wont be getting the same, why would they want to do that? As I said it is essentially breaking the compact between the young and old that those who are of working age pay the pensions of those who have retired (which is what those of us of retirement age on here were doing prior to retirement). Once you've broken that compact it is entirely reasonable for the youth to then say,"Why should I pay for your comfortable pension?" Can you think of a reason? I can't other, than it would make things awkward/tight for me, but then that isn't their problem in this 'every man for themselves' culture that is taking hold.

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2 hours ago, Stilllearning said:

The pound is falling, the ruling party can’t rule, or agree among itself what to do. Politicians  are bringing the country into disrepute, the electoral system is seen to be unable to answer the wishes of the electorate. 

Manufacturing industry is hurting.

The whole attempt at brexit is going well isn’t it.

I realise that those of a brexit persuasion don’t like to look reality on the face, but please, just think about some of the people that support Farage et al, and then tell us all is well.

The usual suspects will tell me that it’s none of my business, as I live abroad, but that attitude is part of the problem, isn’t it.

Have a nice day in little england.

None of your business as you live abroad. 

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1 hour ago, mark99 said:

It's not all about Brexit. Unless you are a simpleton.

 

 

I never said it was. I challenged any of you Brexicides to say it was nothing to do with Brexit.  It plainly is something to do with it.

1 minute ago, nb Innisfree said:

None of your business as you live abroad. 

 

He is British, he lives in another part of the EU that we are still a part of, so it absolutely is his business. 

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1 hour ago, mark99 said:

It's not all about Brexit. Unless you are a simpleton.

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-steel/british-steel-risks-collapse-with-25000-jobs-at-stake-idUKKCN1SR0M8

 

 

Amazing how the remoaners are silent over UK being at highest emploment rate since 70's.

The uncertainty surrounding it with the inherent risk of a no deal exit is a big part of the equation. The Scunthorpe plant has seen it's EU orders dry up since they cannot give an accurate price for their steel to be delivered after October since they don't know whether or not there will be tariffs on it (they are already being damaged by the idiot Trump's tariffs). If you cannot give a price, who is going to buy any of it?

 

On the other hand, since Scunthorpe voted 69/31% for leaving the EU they clearly had all the information they needed to know that this was going to happen so they must have got pretty much what they wanted, haven't they?

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