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Gavin Williamson is doing his bit for post Brexit Britain, with proposed new bases to 'enhance our lethality' and our carrier with borrowed US planes to strike fear into the Chinese, in advance of our trusty negotiators.  It seems he has slipped a few hundred years back in history, rather than the more usual brexit 50.

I wonder if he has forgotten to take his medication.

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7 minutes ago, Tigerr said:

Gavin Williamson is doing his bit for post Brexit Britain, with proposed new bases to 'enhance our lethality' and our carrier with borrowed US planes to strike fear into the Chinese, in advance of our trusty negotiators.  It seems he has slipped a few hundred years back in history, rather than the more usual brexit 50.

I wonder if he has forgotten to take his medication.

I heard it mentioned here that wartime is something to look forward to. 

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7 minutes ago, Tigerr said:

Gavin Williamson is doing his bit for post Brexit Britain, with proposed new bases to 'enhance our lethality' and our carrier with borrowed US planes to strike fear into the Chinese, in advance of our trusty negotiators.  It seems he has slipped a few hundred years back in history, rather than the more usual brexit 50.

I wonder if he has forgotten to take his medication.

The poor so and so is stuck with having to find a use for two bloody enormous floating targets, when if the Navy needed any new ships it was a number of small fast frigates/destroyers for coastal and fisheries defence.

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3 hours ago, DaveandDebby said:

No, it would make them exbrexiters.

They may still want to leave, but aren't happy with the deal that their MPs are being asked to vote on.

What should we do about all those that voted remain but have since changed their minds to leave? Oh of course that couldnt be at all possible could it. We voted, a majority was found. An act of parliament was passed and article fifty triggered. How many more clues do we need to submit that we have to leave? Oh and deals or no deals have zero to do with that fact.

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Brexiteers have an awful lot to answer for.... :( 

 

"Civil Servants receive 'Resilience Toolkit' to help them cope with Brexit Grief"

 

For the full 'Toolkit' see Guido

 

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Civil servants have naturally been grumbling about having to do slightly more work than usual as they prepare for Brexit. Luckily for those working in the Department of Health, they’ve just been issued with a “Toolkit for staff during EU Exit” on “Change management and resilience” to help them “understand the impact which change and uncertainty is having on the way you feel”. Seriously…

The toolkit begins by setting out the Department’s “values and behaviours” as a “Great [sic] Department of State”. Staff are then reassured that it’s “natural” for them to be going through the classic five stages of grief over Brexit.

 

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32 minutes ago, Jennifer McM said:

Brexiteers have an awful lot to answer for.... :( 

 

"Civil Servants receive 'Resilience Toolkit' to help them cope with Brexit Grief"

 

For the full 'Toolkit' see Guido

 

 

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Yet more psycobabble nonsense for our snowflakes. Having said that, I have checked out the healthy tension chart at the bottom, and I am pleased to announce that I fall well within the amber zone.

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12 minutes ago, Phil. said:

Yet more psycobabel nonsense for our snowflakes. Having said that, I have checked out the healthy tension chart at the bottom, and I am pleased to announce that I fall well within the amber zone.

Interesting definition of stress

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18 minutes ago, Phil. said:

Yet more psycobabel nonsense for our snowflakes. Having said that, I have checked out the healthy tension chart at the bottom, and I am pleased to announce that I fall well within the amber zone.

“Nonsense” in multiple languages too?

Babble in general is confusing enough, surely.

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5 hours ago, KevMc said:

And if they changed their minds again would they be reborn Brexiteers? :cheers:

 

I'm really bored with the whole thing again .... the sooner its over the better

That is exactly what the establishment has been working towards for the past 2+years.

 

Get everyone bored rigid and drop in the, "Lets forget the whole thing and stay in".

 

George

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If stress occurs when pressure exceeds our perceived ability to cope, then how can people ever learn to cope with stress?

 

I had a stressful job delivering projects, and found that I performed best when slightly stressed. So as I became more used to stress I could push myself harder and maintain a certain level of stress.

 

I never felt in my comfort zone, because every job (and client - often the biggest source of stress) was different.

 

As others have said technobabble for snowflakes.

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We have a young guy on our mooring he is a ships engineer for PO works Dover to Calais, I was chatting to him about my electric boat conversion, then we got on to Brexit, he couldnt see the problem, he just thought that if it became restrictive at Calais to Dover, the boats would move further North, he had been told their was plenty of spare capacity at other locations.................................

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3 minutes ago, peterboat said:

We have a young guy on our mooring he is a ships engineer for PO works Dover to Calais, I was chatting to him about my electric boat conversion, then we got on to Brexit, he couldnt see the problem, he just thought that if it became restrictive at Calais to Dover, the boats would move further North, he had been told their was plenty of spare capacity at other locations.................................

Yeah but, no but, yeah but what about Armageddon? :o

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3 hours ago, mrsmelly said:

What should we do about all those that voted remain but have since changed their minds to leave? 

I have told you before its simple.   Now people know exactly the ins and outs repercussions etc of the vote have another referendum.   Then there can be no doubt as to the will of the people.

 

However for some reason Brexiteers seem to think two things.  Firstly democracy means you aren't allowed to change your mind and second they seem terrified of a referendum.   If leaving as great a thing as Brexiteers tell us a second referendum would be won by Leave with a huge majority.  From a Brexiteers point of view what's not to like?

1 hour ago, cuthound said:

As others have said technobabble for snowflakes.

I don't know why people have such a down on the snowflake generation which google tells me is the generation previously known as Millennials.

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18 minutes ago, Jerra said:

I have told you before its simple.   Now people know exactly the ins and outs repercussions etc of the vote have another referendum.   Then there can be no doubt as to the will of the people.

 

However for some reason Brexiteers seem to think two things.  Firstly democracy means you aren't allowed to change your mind and second they seem terrified of a referendum.   If leaving as great a thing as Brexiteers tell us a second referendum would be won by Leave with a huge majority.  From a Brexiteers point of view what's not to like?

I don't know why people have such a down on the snowflake generation which google tells me is the generation previously known as Millennials.

1. The Brexiteers have already won one referendum. Why should they bother to win two?

 

2. 'Snowflake' and 'the snowflake generation' are different and separate concepts, which Google should be able to explain for you.

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19 minutes ago, Paladine said:

1. The Brexiteers have already won one referendum. Why should they bother to win two?

Because of the democracy so beloved by Brexiteers.   There is evidence some people on both sides have changed their view.   Brexiteers keep stressing the "will of the people".   Currently nobody knows the will of the people as there has been so much water under the bridge.   Not to mention lies exposed (and before you get all up tight that is on both sides).

 

I don't believe democracy means you can't change your mind and if Brexiteers were confident that leaving is the best thing and the majority want that they wouldn't trot out excuses like we won one vote why should we win another.  They would be saying right we can shut this lot up once and for all lets get on and prove it.

 

I wonder why not one Brexiteer is prepared to take up the challenge.   Not surely because they know they wouldn't win and want to force leaving through against the current will of the people.

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49 minutes ago, Jerra said:

I have told you before its simple.   Now people know exactly the ins and outs repercussions etc of the vote have another referendum.   Then there can be no doubt as to the will of the people.

 

However for some reason Brexiteers seem to think two things.  Firstly democracy means you aren't allowed to change your mind and second they seem terrified of a referendum.   If leaving as great a thing as Brexiteers tell us a second referendum would be won by Leave with a huge majority.  From a Brexiteers point of view what's not to like?

I don't know why people have such a down on the snowflake generation which google tells me is the generation previously known as Millennials.

And you keep on getting the same reply why should the winners have to vote again to please the losers? Thats all it amounts to, The next GE lets keep on voting until the greens win after it seems fair they havent won before and they have some nice ideas............................😱

 

PS forgot to say we havent got time either its only forty odd days until we leave👍

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12 minutes ago, peterboat said:

And you keep on getting the same reply why should the winners have to vote again to please the losers? Thats all it amounts to,

Which clearly underlines the fact that Brexiteers don't give a tinkers cuss about the will of the people.   They are terrified of another referendum because they are certain they would lose.

 

If Brexiteers genuinely believed in Democracy and the will of the people they would want to be certain that a once and for all action really was the current will of the people not the will of an uninformed group angry with their own MPs and wanting to teach them a lesson.

 

It becomes clearer each day that Brexiteers know they would lose and are running scared of a second referendum.   They have no desire for the will of the people only their own wishes.

 

I say again democracy doesn't mean you can't change your mind.

 

Before anyone trots out best of three that couldn't happen as the time for article 50 could be extended until the result of a second referendum was known.   Then it could be an instant leave under either no deal or May's deal (depending on what parliament had agree) or of course remain.   It could be arranged so that it happened with in days if not hours of the result being declared.

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33 minutes ago, Jerra said:

Which clearly underlines the fact that Brexiteers don't give a tinkers cuss about the will of the people.   They are terrified of another referendum because they are certain they would lose.

 

 

Precisely because of giving a tinker's cuss, I personally do not take you seriously. I believe your intention is to goad, in the forlorn hope that we would gamble away something (democracy) we have no intention of leaving in the grubby hands of the EU. Which is as you would have it, and precisely the reason you are no judge of democratic values.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jerra said:

Because of the democracy so beloved by Brexiteers.   There is evidence some people on both sides have changed their view.   Brexiteers keep stressing the "will of the people".   Currently nobody knows the will of the people as there has been so much water under the bridge.   Not to mention lies exposed (and before you get all up tight that is on both sides).

 

I don't believe democracy means you can't change your mind and if Brexiteers were confident that leaving is the best thing and the majority want that they wouldn't trot out excuses like we won one vote why should we win another.  They would be saying right we can shut this lot up once and for all lets get on and prove it.

 

I wonder why not one Brexiteer is prepared to take up the challenge.   Not surely because they know they wouldn't win and want to force leaving through against the current will of the people.

The thing is nothing has changed and nothing is a matter of opinion that counts. FACT the eu club has primacy over your country and its government and its obvious no one in their right mind would ever want this so people voted leave. Fact if we stay the eu has primacy over us so as there is nothing to debate, we need to leave. If something had changed or the eu had suddenly obtained or given up primacy since the referendum then maybe we would have to vote but zero, nothing, diddly squat has changed.

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If we follow Jerra's logic, we would need to re-run every vote ever held as it might not reflect the "current will of the people" (and let's face it, no-one actually knows what that is). And then re-run them again, ad infinitum, every few years. There's no point in voting to do something and then changing your mind before you do it in case it doesn't work out the way you expect. You have to act on the vote, see how it goes and then change it in future if necessary.

 

Should there be another vote, I'm a Brexiteer and I know (or rather believe - different things of course, unless you're a remoaner) we would win. Again.

 

But as we have already won, I see no need for another vote to confirm it.

 

As I've said numerous times, all another referendum would prove is that the government don't take any notice of the results of referendums.

 

And it would be a third referendum of course, the first being in 1975.

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1 minute ago, mrsmelly said:

The thing is nothing has changed and nothing is a matter of opinion that counts. FACT the eu club has primacy over your country and its government and its obvious no one in their right mind would ever want this so people voted leave. Fact if we stay the eu has primacy over us so as there is nothing to debate, we need to leave. If something had changed or the eu had suddenly obtained or given up primacy since the referendum then maybe we would have to vote but zero, nothing, diddly squat has changed.

How do you know nobody has changed their mind?   Just up the thread you were saying what about all the remainers who would now vote leave, which says you know things have changed.   However we can't expect Brexiteers to want to know the will of the people as it stands to day.  It night not agree with them and they are desperate to have Brexit even if it isn't the will of the people.

 

3 minutes ago, Joe the plumber said:

If we follow Jerra's logic, we would need to re-run every vote ever held as it might not reflect the "current will of the people" (and let's face it, no-one actually knows what that is). And then re-run them again, ad infinitum, every few years.

You clearly don't follow either my logic or what I have written.  I pointed out this could then be put in force within days (hours?) of the referendum so there would be no chance for another.

 

Secondly this is rather different to any other vote in my life time.   Once carried out there is no going back,  The vote to remain in in the 70s left the door open to leave.  This vote wouldn't leave a chance for returning, at least not on the same favourable terms.

 

Finally in every other vote we have the chance to change our minds.  OK it may be 5 years to the next GE but the chance is there.  With this there is no chance to change minds after the event, which is all the more reason for a referendum confirming that we really do want to leave.

 

Not complicated or difficult to understand IMO and unless you are frightened of the result no reason to oppose again just my opinion others are available.

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Amazing how the truth comes out :

 

 

 

Jeremy Corbyn vowed to “defeat” the European Union after accusing it of supressing the British economy in a tub-thumping rally speech before he became party leader.

The Labour MP claimed the EU had worked in cahoots with “the world’s bankers” in creating unemployment and called on all those campaigning for “peace, justice and socialism” to oppose the bloc.

 

The emergence of the film follows that of another last week, in which Mr Corbyn warned of the EU becoming a “European Empire” which was creating a “military Frankenstein”.

 

The new footage from 2010 shows Mr Corbyn saying: “They – the world’s bankers, International Monetary Fund, European Union – they are utterly united in what they want, utterly united in deflation, suppressing the economy and creating unemployment, utterly united in that.

“We need to be equally united. Not just across every union in this country, across every community in this country and every social demand in this country, but all across Europe and internationally to show that the voice of those campaigning for peace, justice and socialism will not be silenced by these people.

 

“We will win through. We will defeat them and we will win that decency that we want in this world.”

Five days ago a separate video emerged of Mr Corbyn speaking in 2009 in which he argued that the Lisbon Treaty would create a “military Frankenstein”.

He went on that if the treaty was blocked it would be “such a boost to people like us” who “do not want to live in a European empire of the 21st century.”

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Jerra said:

You clearly don't follow either my logic or what I have written.  I pointed out this could then be put in force within days (hours?) of the referendum so there would be no chance for another.

 

 

But what if the result was the same as last time? All the current remainers would clearly not accept the result as they don't accept the present one, so they would be stuck, as there wouldn't be enough time for them to campaign for another referendum.

 

Or do you only not accept the result if you lose?

 

Please stop worrying. It will all work out fine. Europe isn't going to disappear overnight on the 29th of March. Humans are very adaptable. Trade won't stop just because of a few politicians and some noise (which is all Brexit is).

 

But we will be free of the influence of an unelected bureaucracy that I confidently expect to implode in the next few years.

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51 minutes ago, Jerra said:

Secondly this is rather different to any other vote in my life time.   Once carried out there is no going back,  The vote to remain in in the 70s left the door open to leave.  This vote wouldn't leave a chance for returning, at least not on the same favourable terms.

 

 

What favourable terms would they be then?

 

The right to favourably pay the EU £billions to have a trade imbalance of about £70bn pa?

 

George

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