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This is interesting. For many years Monbiot has completely ignored global population growth and even denied it's an issue, saying that focusing on population is "the West blaming the developing world for our environmental problems". On the other hand, Attenborough has sat on various population control seminar panels and frequently speaks out about it.

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/07/david-attenborough-world-environment-bbc-films

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/science-environment-45741482/sir-david-attenborough-population-growth-has-to-come-to-an-end?ocid=wsnews.chat-apps.in-app-msg.whatsapp.trial.link1_.auin

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5 minutes ago, blackrose said:

This is interesting. For many years Monbiot has completely ignored global population growth and even denied it's an issue, saying that focusing on population is "the West blaming the developing world for our environmental problems". On the other hand, Attenborough has sat on various population control seminar panels and frequently speaks out about it.

 

 

And your thoughts on this are??

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7 minutes ago, Athy said:

I'm baffled. For what exactly are you blaming Mr. Attenborough?

And what is a monbiot?

 

I'm tempted to say that it's something like an amoeba, but it appears that he is a Guardian columnist.  Same difference.

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20 minutes ago, Athy said:

I'm baffled. For what exactly are you blaming Mr. Attenborough?

And what is a monbiot?

 

Mr Monbiot is an 'ecologist'. 

 

Full of shyte, just like the rest of them. Earns his living writing shyte for the Guardian these days. I'm surprised you haven't read dozens of his articles. 

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3 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

Mr Monbiot is an 'ecologist'. 

 

Full of shyte, just like the rest of them. Earns his living writing shyte for the Guardian these days. I'm surprised you haven't read dozens of his articles. 

Mon biot is the latest breakfast Goo from Danone?

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7 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

 

And your thoughts on this are??

Blackrod (sic) doesn't generally comment on threads like this, just lights the touch paper and comes back later. Some people were barred for far less

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7 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

Mr Monbiot is an 'ecologist'. 

 

Full of shyte, just like the rest of them. Earns his living writing shyte for the Guardian these days. I'm surprised you haven't read dozens of his articles. 

That explains it: I never read the Grauniad.

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If you read the article as posted in the initial post,it is fairly obvious the `debate`hinges on your position on the growth of global population. Are we swamping the planet,gobbling up our limited resources ,or will some magic bullet solve the problem by supplying an intimate amount of food ,space ,water,etc.

Or should we start taking steps to control our own destiny?😕😕😕😎

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10 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

Mr Monbiot is an 'ecologist'. 

 

Full of shyte, just like the rest of them. Earns his living writing shyte for the Guardian these days. I'm surprised you haven't read dozens of his articles. 

If he writes Sheeite then he is certainly working for the correct publication.

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6 minutes ago, Ian F B said:

If you read the article as posted in the initial post,it is fairly obvious the `debate`hinges on your position on the growth of global population. Are we swamping the planet,gobbling up our limited resources ,or will some magic bullet solve the problem by supplying an intimate amount of food ,space ,water,etc.

Or should we start taking steps to control our own destiny?😕😕😕😎

 

So why could the OP not have said that?

 

 

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1 hour ago, mrsmelly said:

If he writes Sheeite then he is certainly working for the correct publication.

ISTR that you don't read newspapers, TIm, so how would you know what he writes?

:D

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8 hours ago, matty40s said:

Blackrod (sic) doesn't generally comment on threads like this, just lights the touch paper and comes back later. Some people were barred for far less

Would you like him to be banned as well?

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48 minutes ago, billS said:

Would you like him to be banned as well?

absolutely not, he does post some bits about boats and pictures of nice rivers too.

There are however people banned who shouldn't have been in the Great Uproar a couple of years ago.

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Just now, Ian F B said:

If you read the article as posted in the initial post,it is fairly obvious the `debate`hinges on your position on the growth of global population. Are we swamping the planet,gobbling up our limited resources ,or will some magic bullet solve the problem by supplying an intimate amount of food ,space ,water,etc.

Or should we start taking steps to control our own destiny?😕😕😕😎

It won't happen. Instead we'll have more grand 'green' initiatives which will aim to mitigate the damage growth, both in population and economic activity, will have on this planet. Naturally, these schemes will only go ahead if there is money to be made, somewhere along the line. Meanwhile rich western countries, consumed by socialism, will continue to pay people handsomely, should they choose to have children. The same western countries will continue to give aid to poorer countries in order that they may be 'brought up to speed', in other words, develop so that they may serve the further consumerist needs of these relatively rich countries, and perhaps even have a little for themselves too.

 

Maybe the above seems a little cynical but I see no initiatives from anywhere around the world to address the root causes of the problem, the only discussions taking place are around mitigation.

 

What's needed of course is a realisation that perpetual growth, both in terms of the industrial output that serves ever increasing consumerism, is unsustainable. Also the population growth we have, whether that's linked to perpetual growth or is a stand alone matter is unimportant, is unsustainable too.

 

I welcome a visionary, brave leader taking this on board and bringing it to the table of world politics. I'm not holding my breath though, it seems that the leaders we have right now are either self serving or just plain cowards.  

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I agree with some of Monbiot's views and disagree with others.  Some of his past pronoucements have been way off but, unlike many journos he has been willing to admit when he's been proved wrong.  Overall he's one of our better newspaper journalists, if only because he fully cites all his articles.  Certainly his articles over the years about upland land use and management have been excellent and his predictions have turned out to be true.  So much so that the EA are now adopting the methods he advocates on flood control.  Yes he divides opinion, but that's a good thing when done properly.  Alternatively you could read one of Richard Littlejohn's columns.

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8 hours ago, Gareth E said:

It won't happen. Instead we'll have more grand 'green' initiatives which will aim to mitigate the damage growth, both in population and economic activity, will have on this planet. Naturally, these schemes will only go ahead if there is money to be made, somewhere along the line. Meanwhile rich western countries, consumed by socialism, will continue to pay people handsomely, should they choose to have children. The same western countries will continue to give aid to poorer countries in order that they may be 'brought up to speed', in other words, develop so that they may serve the further consumerist needs of these relatively rich countries, and perhaps even have a little for themselves too.

 

Maybe the above seems a little cynical but I see no initiatives from anywhere around the world to address the root causes of the problem, the only discussions taking place are around mitigation.

 

What's needed of course is a realisation that perpetual growth, both in terms of the industrial output that serves ever increasing consumerism, is unsustainable. Also the population growth we have, whether that's linked to perpetual growth or is a stand alone matter is unimportant, is unsustainable too.

 

I welcome a visionary, brave leader taking this on board and bringing it to the table of world politics. I'm not holding my breath though, it seems that the leaders we have right now are either self serving or just plain cowards.  

You do know that Logan's Run wasn't a documentary, don't you?

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9 minutes ago, Wanderer Vagabond said:

You do know that Logan's Run wasn't a documentary, don't you?

That's it, this thread will now be dedicated to Jenny Agutter. :P

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Without wishing to divert anyone's attention from the image of a naked Jenny Agutter, I think this is blatant attention-grabbing by Monbiot.  He has published some good articles, albeit to a fairly small and already converted audience.

 

Sir David has done more to bring the issue of marine plastics to the public in the last year than any of Monbiot's articles.  Monbiot should be writing articles supporting what Sir David has done, rather than trying to score a few points.

 

Incidentally, Netflix is putting out a new major series next year about nature in the modern world including much about the fragile state it is now in and why.  It is narrated by Sir David.

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3 hours ago, Wanderer Vagabond said:

You do know that Logan's Run wasn't a documentary, don't you?

If perpetual growth remains unchecked such a thing, or similar great tragedy, is inevitable. 

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Just now, KevMc said:

It seems population growth might not be a problem for much longer :

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46118103

I read that. What's truly baffling is that the undertones are doom and gloom. Even if a naturally occurring phenomenon appears that offers a chink of light into our current path towards destruction it can't be admitted. 

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