BruceinSanity Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Mike the Boilerman said: The interesting thing will be the impact on electric boats. As I see it, a diesel generator charging batteries which in turn run an electric motor propelling the boat will be allowed to run on marked red diesel. This will I suspect, give a boost to the number of electrically propelled boats on the system, along with a rise in the amount of engine running whilst stationary. That’s the really interesting thing, will it be allowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess-- Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, furnessvale said: I believe those boats are already hit. If you enter a French port you are subject to their rules. George from what I have heard the French have been fair about it, in that they accept you arriving with red in the tank but you must buy white while there (and keep receipts to prove it). where the Belgians were being stricter and issuing fines if you had any trace of red on arrival 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Bob Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 6 hours ago, Sea Dog said: Then let the record show that I propose the white diesel rule, as is common when implementing new automotive regulations, shall not apply to boats built before a future cut off date (to be decided). Do I have a Seconder? Seconded! What's on second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dr Bob said: Seconded! What's on second. Wondered where you got to. Who seconded you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Bob Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, rusty69 said: Wondered where you got to. Who seconded you? Who was on first. Not second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, Dr Bob said: Who was on first. Not second. Who could travel in time and space, so heshe was on all fours simultaneously , so was K9! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterboat Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 7 hours ago, mrsmelly said: I have employed many uni students and graduates over the years and as with everyone in all walks of life some were very good and some not so good and down right lazy, one such young lady that did her degree in law was exellent. I took a new small business on four years ago and offered her a paid full time job working for me or a chance to stick her neck out and come in with me as third partner with my wife which she did, she had bottle. We retired last year and now she has taken the business on and doing very well in charge of her own life without having any bosses oh and the degree she has is simply a large debt for nowt round her neck but she will pay it off. Of our five kids, three have degrees. One did it the easy way straight from school and one did a seven year PAID for it herself several grand whilst holding down a full time job. I have another that has just finished her degree taking the usual three years for that degree. She has done the degree at the same time as working in a very stressful full time job, bringing up two young children and running her household. Please dont tell me I havnt a clue and please dont tell me its arduous taking a degree at age around 18 with mainly bugger all else responsibilities. Our other two kids havnt bothered with Uni as it wasnt needed for them and they are both doing realy well in their chosen walks through life. Virtual greemie Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGoat Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Jess-- said: from what I have heard the French have been fair about it, in that they accept you arriving with red in the tank but you must buy white while there (and keep receipts to prove it). where the Belgians were being stricter and issuing fines if you had any trace of red on arrival It's the blurry Belgians who screwed 'us' up in the first place.. Perhaps their comeback for Allo, Allo. Get rid of the whole *** lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doratheexplorer Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) On 21/10/2018 at 09:50, mrsmelly said: I have employed many uni students and graduates over the years and as with everyone in all walks of life some were very good and some not so good and down right lazy, one such young lady that did her degree in law was exellent. I took a new small business on four years ago and offered her a paid full time job working for me or a chance to stick her neck out and come in with me as third partner with my wife which she did, she had bottle. We retired last year and now she has taken the business on and doing very well in charge of her own life without having any bosses oh and the degree she has is simply a large debt for nowt round her neck but she will pay it off. Of our five kids, three have degrees. One did it the easy way straight from school and one did a seven year PAID for it herself several grand whilst holding down a full time job. I have another that has just finished her degree taking the usual three years for that degree. She has done the degree at the same time as working in a very stressful full time job, bringing up two young children and running her household. Please dont tell me I havnt a clue and please dont tell me its arduous taking a degree at age around 18 with mainly bugger all else responsibilities. Our other two kids havnt bothered with Uni as it wasnt needed for them and they are both doing realy well in their chosen walks through life. Except this response contradicts what you said previously. Point is there are useful degrees and pointless degrees. There are easy degrees and hard degrees. However, this has always been the case, the mickey mouse degree is not a new thing. What is definitely true is that there are far more university places now, with more graduates hitting the workplace so guaranteed jobs for graduates is largely a thing of the past. Today's graduates have far more competition for jobs and have the added financial difficulties of large amounts of debt to factor in. 30 years ago the 'eternal student' was a known thing, which entailled hopping from one degree course to another, with an maintenance grant each time. You're right that many students also hold down full time jobs - the financial situation makes that a necessity. I would have far rather studied for a degree in the 60s or 70s than now. The odds were far more stacked in your favour back then and in many cases students were sponsored on their courses. Edited October 22, 2018 by doratheexplorer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 35 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said: Except this response contradicts what you said previously. Point is there are useful degrees and pointless degrees. There are easy degrees and hard degrees. However, this has always been the case, the mickey mouse degree is not a new thing. What is definitely true is that there are far more university places now, with more graduates hitting the workplace so guaranteed jobs for graduates is largely a thing of the past. Today's graduates have far more competition for jobs and have the added financial difficulties of large amounts of debt to factor in. 30 years ago the 'eternal student' was a known thing, which entailled hopping from one degree course to another, with an maintenance grant each time. You're right that many students also hold down full time jobs - the financial situation makes that a necessity. I would have far rather studied for a degree in the 60s or 70s than now. The odds were far more stacked in your favour back then and in many cases students were sponsored on their courses. I certainly agree re the 60s and 70s bit, I would hate to be a kid now, their entire lifestyle is pretty crap. What I dont believe in is the free for all education at every stage. For instance do you think we should stand the cost of someone going back into education and taking a masters or a phd? Were do we draw the line? Why should we as a country pay for certain types of education such as 3 years at uni for instance? Theses students take the qualifications entirely to obtain qualifications to enable themselves to earn money in the workplace so why dont we pay everybody for their qualifications to work in the workplace? Just as a for instance I have taken three different types of boatmasters licences over the years two of which I paid for myself. In 2002 to put another string to my bow I decided to take a driving instucters course which I did and it cost be several thousand quid and of course the set up costs of the job so should the tax payer have paid for that course for me? I did the training/education simply to earn money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doratheexplorer Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: I certainly agree re the 60s and 70s bit, I would hate to be a kid now, their entire lifestyle is pretty crap. What I dont believe in is the free for all education at every stage. For instance do you think we should stand the cost of someone going back into education and taking a masters or a phd? Yes sometimes. No sometimes. Were do we draw the line? There should be some kind of wider social benefit. For example, supporting students to train as doctors, teachers, engineers is good. Supporting students in golf course management is less so. Why should we as a country pay for certain types of education such as 3 years at uni for instance? The idea is that free education removes a barrier to education for poor people, this partially levelling the playing field. The logical extension of your argument would be to remove all state funded education. That would be very bad. Theses students take the qualifications entirely to obtain qualifications to enable themselves to earn money in the workplace so why dont we pay everybody for their qualifications to work in the workplace? Just as a for instance I have taken three different types of boatmasters licences over the years two of which I paid for myself. In 2002 to put another string to my bow I decided to take a driving instucters course which I did and it cost be several thousand quid and of course the set up costs of the job so should the tax payer have paid for that course for me? I did the training/education simply to earn money. There is a valid argument to suggest that driving instructor training should be state funded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterboat Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, doratheexplorer said: I agree that certain uni course's should be free, but with the rider that the person should have by contract do a certain amount of pay back years, before leaving country/changing career direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doratheexplorer Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 hours ago, peterboat said: I agree that certain uni course's should be free, but with the rider that the person should have by contract do a certain amount of pay back years, before leaving country/changing career direction. Sounds fair. 5 years free doctor training. Minimum 15 years with the NHS or you have to pay for your course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth E Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 25 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said: Sounds fair. 5 years free doctor training. Minimum 15 years with the NHS or you have to pay for your course. You don't sound like a proper socialist. They want everything to be free, for everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 20 minutes ago, Gareth E said: You don't sound like a proper socialist. They want everything to be free, for everyone You do make some wild silly statements at times don't you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth E Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Jerra said: You do make some wild silly statements at times don't you. Not at all. Most socialists want university education to be free for all, regardless of subject studied. Some go further and want the grants system re introduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, Gareth E said: Not at all. Most socialists want university education to be free for all, regardless of subject studied. Some go further and want the grants system re introduced. Which as you know isn't by any stretch of the imagination the same as "They want everything to be free, for everyone" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth E Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 The context was obvious, we were talking about education. But still, there's an element of truth in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momac Posted October 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Gareth E said: Not at all. Most socialists want university education to be free for all, regardless of subject studied. Some go further and want the grants system re introduced. I am definitely a socialist when it come to education . I do believe education should be free for everyone but based on ability. and above all high standards should be achieved. This does not mean poncy degrees that provide an award for doing nothing much at all. There was no way my father could have paid for my university education . He died a few weeks into my first university year.. I did receive a grant for my degree which I started in 1977. Edited October 22, 2018 by MartynG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davis Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Gareth E said: You don't sound like a proper socialist. They want everything to be free, for everyone Really? I suggest firstly you take note there is a big difference between a Socialist and a socialist. Notice the capital letter! I know of NO socialist that wants everything for free, and funnily enough neither do I know of a Socialist that wants it either. Secondly, define both of those words? I bet you can't! But then it really isn't any surprise, as you've made ths mistake before! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 41 minutes ago, MartynG said: This does not mean poncy degrees that provide an award for doing nothing much at all. Can you point me to some reference which shows any degree which is awarded for doing nothing much at all? Or is it just an assertion based on prejudice? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth E Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, Graham Davis said: Really? I suggest firstly you take note there is a big difference between a Socialist and a socialist. Notice the capital letter! I know of NO socialist that wants everything for free, and funnily enough neither do I know of a Socialist that wants it either. Secondly, define both of those words? I bet you can't! But then it really isn't any surprise, as you've made ths mistake before! It seems you missed the smiley. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jerra said: Can you point me to some reference which shows any degree which is awarded for doing nothing much at all? Or is it just an assertion based on prejudice? The thing is a few years ago degrees were for stuff like Doctors, Architects, Vetiranary surgeons etc but everything else was learnt on the job and done well. Today kids do courses in such as " Dance " or " Computer games design " or even worse " Hand embroidery " now please dont tell me we need people with degrees in hand embroidery!! Yes its a skill but a degree!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 Well, I am quite happy with my degree in advanced crochet techniques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momac Posted October 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jerra said: Can you point me to some reference which shows any degree which is awarded for doing nothing much at all? Or is it just an assertion based on prejudice? Yes I shared accomodation with a guy who did social studies he only had half the lectures I did and never had to work on his studies evenings or weekends. also you can do a degree in film studies which involves watching some films and, presumably, writing some essays http://dmu.ac.uk/technology/undergraduate/film-studies.aspx?gclid=Cj0KCQjw6rXeBRD3ARIsAD9ni9DH8Cegef18Ykv076gKybwEqXCM3f465MvdUbQBmlqPPaa82b1XffsaAoLyEALw_wcB there are others https://www.uclan.ac.uk/courses/ba_hons_film_and_media.php https://www.uclan.ac.uk/courses/ba_hons_advertising.php https://www.uclan.ac.uk/courses/ba_hons_fashion_promotion.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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