Oil Change Disaster

[system 4-50]

 I put some slightly oily stuff in a plastic builder's bag, a strong one with no holes, and kept it in the cabin awaiting a tip trip. Yes, it leaked.  It is remarkably penetrating , and very messy.  Be careful what you do with the waste!

[Momac]

10 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said:

https://www.inlinefilters.co.uk/Filters-Lube/SpinOn/M20x1.5/FIN-FL70240

 

Lists that Isuzu part as compatible.  I wonder if the filter supplied to the OP appears on the list of compatible filters?

Alternative supplier (assuming it is the correct filter) but they require a minimum order . I bought oil and fuel  filters for my engine that will keep me going a while.

https://www.partsandfilters.co.uk/baldwin-filter-b7487-lube-filter-p-1455.html

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[LiveAndLetLive]

Thanks again for the help everybody. From the info above it seems that we do have the correct filter (Isuzu 5-87610008-0)

So I suppose that means that either I've not screwed the filter on correctly or I've knocked a hose off.

I've managed to get a stack of incontinence sheets (not mine I promise!) that I hope will help to mop up the oil.

 

[LiveAndLetLive]

Maybe I will also double check that the part is compatible reading the story above.

 

[Iain_S]

3 hours ago, Cheshire cat said:

It might be worth posting engine type and filter numbers. One thing to check is that when you took the old filter off the rubber seal came off with it. Sometimes they half stick to the engine which means that the new filter won't be able to make an oil tight seal. The result is similar to what you describe. Don't ask me how I know ?

 

3 hours ago, Jennifer McM said:

Our first oil change was a disaster too - found out the rubber seal on the old filter wasn't attached properly and got left behind. Unbeknown the new filter was screwed on - resulting in the filter having two seals. Oil spewed out everywhere! We now always make sure the old seal on the old filter is removed. 

We've all done that.    (Hopefully, only once! ) 

[Cheshire cat]

Actually Iain, I've done it twice ? The first time was on a mini that had a paper element type filter back in the seventies. Second time was a couple of years ago on our shared boat. It wasn't bad enough to cause the oil pressure light to stay lit but I lost half a gallon of oil in half a day of cruising. I tightened the filter up some more with a filter wrench but it still leaked. It was only when I couldn't sleep that night that I remembered the episode with the mini......

[BruceinSanity]

Don’t know about the Isuzu, but on the Beta, the warning light and siren go off within 30 secs of starting the engine. Even so, with the engine running the first thing I do is check that no oil is dripping from the filter.

[Tim Lewis]

11 hours ago, rusty69 said:

Cat Litter.

Cat litter is a nightmare to get out from under an engine

[X Alan W]

On some engines the filter top casting (that bolts to the block) the flat flange that mates with the rubber ring on the filter canister is wider than it needs to be to allow filters with slightly different ring spacing to work I came across this on truck top fridge units, worth possibly using a strong light & mirror to check the face where the ring sits or if not to much of a hassle take off the top casting& fit the filter first to make sure every thing is seated properly & then fit the casting to block would require a new gasket though

[Mike Hurley]

Look at the old filter and see if the sealing ring is still on it, if not then thats your problem.

[Sea Dog]

8 minutes ago, Tim Lewis said:

Cat litter is a nightmare to get out from under an engine

Plus, if you have a cat, it can make things much, much worse!

 

OP,  you say you've changed oil filters on cars before, and you were aware of the need to (and did) put oil on the sealing ring.  I'm thinking that it's therefore unlikely, given your experience, that you've made a complete horlicks of a pretty simple job.  Hoses aren't easy to "knock off" either really.  My money's was on the wrong filter until your post above as two can look pretty similar but the height of the thread versus the seal may not be identical, thus you can use all the thread and appear tight with the seal not mated correctly. My money's still on a filter issue causing a poor filter seal (whether for that reason or another) rather than you screwing things up, but I can afford to give you the benefit of the doubt as I don't bet so I'll not lose anything if I'm wrong!

Hurry up and sort it - the suspense is killing us! 

 

[Chewbacka]

4 minutes ago, Sea Dog said:

Plus, if you have a cat, it can make things much, much worse!

 

OP,  you say you've changed oil filters on cars before, and you were aware of the need to (and did) put oil on the sealing ring.  I'm thinking that it's therefore unlikely, given your experience, that you've made a complete horlicks of a pretty simple job.  Hoses aren't easy to "knock off" either really.  My money's was on the wrong filter until your post above as two can look pretty similar but the height of the thread versus the seal may not be identical, thus you can use all the thread and appear tight with the seal not mated correctly. My money's still on a filter issue causing a poor filter seal (whether for that reason or another) rather than you screwing things up, but I can afford to give you the benefit of the doubt as I don't bet so I'll not lose anything if I'm wrong!

Hurry up and sort it - the suspense is killing us! 

 

Well if we are taking bets, my money is on a double sealing ring which is so easy done (side of the road repair memories, 1971 Ford Escort’)

[Paringa]

I think it just wasn't tight enough...

 

But whatever it was i hope the OP sorts it out and isn't put off doing their own maintenance.

[Sea Dog]

1 minute ago, Paringa said:

I think it just wasn't tight enough...

 

But whatever it was i hope the OP sorts it out and isn't put off doing their own maintenance.

Hmm, there is always that. That would be properly screwing things up by not screwing things up properly!

 

[BWM]

Being that your engine has run for a while with no oil it could be worth filling the filter with fresh oil before you fit it, this will help to prime the pump. This obviously depends on how the filter is mounted, if horizontal would just add to the mess!

[Chewbacka]

15 minutes ago, BWM said:

Being that your engine has run for a while with no oil it could be worth filling the filter with fresh oil before you fit it, this will help to prime the pump. This obviously depends on how the filter is mounted, if horizontal would just add to the mess!

If the new filter is fitted before cleaning up, then a small dribble onto the several litres already down there is not going to matter.......

[BWM]

1 minute ago, Chewbacka said:

If the new filter is fitted before cleaning up, then a small dribble onto the several litres already down there is not going to matter.......

Absolutely, I'd definitely prefer to ensure a better chance of immediate oil pressure by having some in the filter. 

[cuthound]

2 hours ago, Paringa said:

I think it just wasn't tight enough...

 

But whatever it was i hope the OP sorts it out and isn't put off doing their own maintenance.

 

That's what I was thinking, the OP said he did it up hand tight, I always do handtight plus a quarter of a turn.

[reg]

14 hours ago, MartynG said:

This is the oil extractor I have and it works well  at extracting oil from engines . and presumably be happy extracting oil from the bilge.  It will be  a bit slow if the oil is old but will get there eventually

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sealey-Tools-TP69-Vacuum-Fluid-Extractor-6-5-Litre-Tank-Drainer-Water-Engine-Oil/200689460884?epid=14020213567&hash=item2eba062694:g:6BcAAMXQn11Rb7R9

 

Can second the recommendation for this tool. Worth paying a bit extra for the genuine Sealey item. 

Has come in handy on a number of occasions. Very worthwhile addition to any tool kit. 

[Pie Eater]

Don't forget to recheck the tap on the hand pump.

[LiveAndLetLive]

Thanks for the comments everybody.

I can now give you the result for the betting above :)

It was the filter. I hadn't screwed it on fully. There was some issue with the threading on it so it wasn't able to fully screw down in place. I'm not quite sure what was up with that filter but even with cleaning the threads etc it just wouldn't screw down fully. It was a genuine Isuzu filter so maybe just a bad one out of the factory. An identical replacement filter had no issues whatsoever and screwed straight down.

Cleaning the bilges wasn't an easy job though. The secret was a huge roll of blue paper and a lot of patience. It's mopped up nicely though.

The engine started fine and I was very relieved when the oil warning light went out after a couple of seconds. The engine sounded fine so I just hope no lasting damage has been done. It sounded OK anyway.

So lessons learned....

1) Triple check that oil filters are seated correctly.

2) The oil warning light should only be on for a second or two after an oil change.

3) Keep an eye out for oil leaks as soon as the engine is turned on.

Thanks for the help again!

 

[Cheshire cat]

So it just remains to say "Welcome to the forum".

[raymondh]

Interesting to note that Isuzu filters are now made in China 

 

Just saying he he

 

Ray

[dmr]

Its worth remembering that after an oil and filter change:.................

 

1 run engine for a minute or so checking for oil leeks from the filter, use a good torch if required.

2 stop engine, wait a few minutes, recheck level on dip stick.

 

and before 1, if you are able, crank the engine without starting till oil pressure shows on pressure gauge or oil light goes out. On my engine it takes a surprising amount of cranking to get the oil pressure up.

 

Pre-filling the filter with oil is a good idea but so many modern engines have sideways or upsidedown filters.

 

...............Dave

[Chewbacka]

1 minute ago, dmr said:

Its worth remembering that after an oil and filter change:.................

 

1 run engine for a minute or so checking for oil leeks from the filter, use a good torch if required.

2 stop engine, wait a few minutes, recheck level on dip stick.

 

and before 1, if you are able, crank the engine without starting till oil pressure shows on pressure gauge or oil light goes out. On my engine it takes a surprising amount of cranking to get the oil pressure up.

 

Pre-filling the filter with oil is a good idea but so many modern engines have sideways or upsidedown filters.

 

...............Dave

I find with a sideways filter it can be pre-filled and if put on quick not much spills out.  Hold a tray below when fitting and no mess - apart from the tray?