bizzard Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) Electric refrigerators are the killer, save yourselves a huge amount of engine running and expense by turning the thing off at least during the winter when its not really needed at all and there's little or no solar charging. Swoon in the peace. Most folk do a shop every two or three days, so if fresh grub is bought it will easily keep fresh for a few days in winter. I have made a bottomless box kept on my cold steel deck which keeps grub lovely and cold. My gas fridge goes of during the winter. Even better if the box is lined with aluminium sheet. Edited August 30, 2018 by bizzard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plainsman Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 50 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said: There are lots of threads on here about battery charging where people say they run their engine 2 hours daily and a long 7-8 hour charge once a week. It's deemed to be good practice for looking after your batteries. Why should this person be excluded from that? I often run my engine for over 5 hours and I bet loads of other people on here do too. Two or three hours OK and reasonable, but five hours plus is really inconsiderate. I note the good practice of a long charge but this is in the context of cruising and what boating is all about. The threads you refer to and the same good practice you concur with frown on running the engine 'light' and support cruising to recharge the batteries as the best option. If people choose to live off grid they should accept the responsibility for their own lifestyle and not impose the consequences of such on to others. In my experience most liveaboards behave responsibly and invest in solar, wind or hook up, the selfish ones just create bad PR especially with an attitude as demonstrated to me at Wheaton Aston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doratheexplorer Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, plainsman said: Two or three hours OK and reasonable, but five hours plus is really inconsiderate. I note the good practice of a long charge but this is in the context of cruising and what boating is all about. The threads you refer to and the same good practice you concur with frown on running the engine 'light' and support cruising to recharge the batteries as the best option. If people choose to live off grid they should accept the responsibility for their own lifestyle and not impose the consequences of such on to others. In my experience most liveaboards behave responsibly and invest in solar, wind or hook up, the selfish ones just create bad PR especially with an attitude as demonstrated to me at Wheaton Aston. No. Just no. What about 4 hours? Does that meet your approval or not? Stop trying to impose your opinions on others. Engine running is allowed by CRT between 8-8. If you don't like it, lobby CRT or go and moor somewhere quiet on your own. The permanent moorings at Wheaton Aston don't have hook up and they can run their engines as they wish during the permitted times. As for "in the context of cruising and what boating is all about", again please stop dictating to others what "boating is all about". For many, boating is definitely not about charging around for 8 hours a day from place to place. It's about staying in one place for 2 weeks at a time and getting to know an area. Vive la difference! And no, there are many threads on here advocating a long weekly charge with no mention of running the engine light or cruising while doing so. The bottom line is that this person was doing nothing wrong and you could have quite easily moved on. There are some lovely quiet mooring spots down by High Onn, I suggest you try them. That's what I did when I was disturbed by engines running at Wheaton Aston earlier this year. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Marshall Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said: No. Just no. What about 4 hours? Does that meet your approval or not? (snip) There are some lovely quiet mooring spots down by High Onn, I suggest you try them. That's what I did when I was disturbed by engines running at Wheaton Aston earlier this year. Well, there were till you moored up & ran your engine for 5 hours a day! Edited August 30, 2018 by Arthur Marshall 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doratheexplorer Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Arthur Marshall said: Well, there were till you moored up & ran your engine for 5 hours a day! It wasn't winter, therefore I had no need to run my engine at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) This topic should be called,'' Ruining engines.'' Edited August 30, 2018 by bizzard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doratheexplorer Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, bizzard said: This topic should be called,'' Ruining engines.'' Or rowing about engines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, doratheexplorer said: Or rowing about engines? Or rowing along without engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doratheexplorer Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, bizzard said: Or rowing along without engines. Lovely! And so much quieter! I'm sure someone would object though. I got sworn at by a narrowboater when I was kayaking once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
system 4-50 Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 The engines that bother me most are the type that produce that sulphury, burnt rubber, smell - in addition to the load noise. It must be unhealthy - but doesn't seem to kill off the owners fast enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Booth Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, plainsman said: Two or three hours OK and reasonable, but five hours plus is really inconsiderate. I note the good practice of a long charge but this is in the context of cruising and what boating is all about. The threads you refer to and the same good practice you concur with frown on running the engine 'light' and support cruising to recharge the batteries as the best option. If people choose to live off grid they should accept the responsibility for their own lifestyle and not impose the consequences of such on to others. In my experience most liveaboards behave responsibly and invest in solar, wind or hook up, the selfish ones just create bad PR especially with an attitude as demonstrated to me at Wheaton Aston. Don't moor at Lady Lane moorings, North Stratford canal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 hours ago, bizzard said: Electric refrigerators are the killer, save yourselves a huge amount of engine running and expense by turning the thing off at least during the winter when its not really needed at all and there's little or no solar charging. Swoon in the peace. Most folk do a shop every two or three days, so if fresh grub is bought it will easily keep fresh for a few days in winter. I have made a bottomless box kept on my cold steel deck which keeps grub lovely and cold. My gas fridge goes of during the winter. Even better if the box is lined with aluminium sheet. And have warm beer? No thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doratheexplorer Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Laurie.Booth said: Don't moor at Lady Lane moorings, North Stratford canal. Is that where you moor? 1 hour ago, Naughty Cal said: And have warm beer? No thanks. If that's your boat, then it appears you don't have a steel hull, so sadly you do have to keep your fridge running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirweste Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 Exactly why I didn't feel any guilt about running me engine for a few hours the other night, next to the shiny boat that had moored right next to me, in an otherwise empty pound, 1km away from the next towpath moored boat! And exactly why I was annoyed when they started their engine the next morning just after 8 1 hour ago, Naughty Cal said: And have warm beer? No thanks. Drink bitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said: Is that where you moor? If that's your boat, then it appears you don't have a steel hull, so sadly you do have to keep your fridge running. Why sadly? We like our booze cold and our food in a state where it won't poison us! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doratheexplorer Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, Naughty Cal said: Why sadly? We like our booze cold and our food in a state where it won't poison us! huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plainsman Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 4 hours ago, doratheexplorer said: No. Just no. What about 4 hours? Does that meet your approval or not? Stop trying to impose your opinions on others. Engine running is allowed by CRT between 8-8. If you don't like it, lobby CRT or go and moor somewhere quiet on your own. The permanent moorings at Wheaton Aston don't have hook up and they can run their engines as they wish during the permitted times. As for "in the context of cruising and what boating is all about", again please stop dictating to others what "boating is all about". For many, boating is definitely not about charging around for 8 hours a day from place to place. It's about staying in one place for 2 weeks at a time and getting to know an area. Vive la difference! And no, there are many threads on here advocating a long weekly charge with no mention of running the engine light or cruising while doing so. The bottom line is that this person was doing nothing wrong and you could have quite easily moved on. There are some lovely quiet mooring spots down by High Onn, I suggest you try them. That's what I did when I was disturbed by engines running at Wheaton Aston earlier this year. Whoes dictating or imposing opinions now???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, plainsman said: Whoes dictating or imposing opinions now???? Not opinions, but CRT policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, doratheexplorer said: Engine running is allowed by CRT between 8-8. If you don't like it, lobby CRT or go and moor somewhere quiet on your own. 18 minutes ago, cuthound said: Not opinions, but CRT policy. So how does this fit in with CRT licence condition 7.6? 7.6 You must do do anything to make a pain in the arse of yourself to other boaters. (I paraphrase). Edited August 30, 2018 by Mike the Boilerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Mike the Boilerman said: So how does this fit in with CRT licence condition 7.6? 7.6 You must do do anything to make a pain in the arse of yourself to other boaters. (I paraphrase). Firstly CRT policy allows engines to be run between 08:00 to 20:00. Secondly, you have misinterpreted condition 7.6. IIRC, it says you must not make yourself a pain in the arse, not that you Must! (OK I realise it was a typo ??) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, cuthound said: Firstly CRT policy allows engines to be run between 08:00 to 20:00. Secondly, you have misinterpreted condition 7.6. IIRC, it says you must not make yourself a pain in the arse, not that you Must! (OK I realise it was a typo ??) No, 7.6 comes first in the licence conditions so you can run yer engine in the daytime, SUBJECT to 7.6. Edited August 30, 2018 by Mike the Boilerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: No, 7.6 comes first in the licence conditions so you can run yer engine in the daytime, SUBJECT to 7.6. I agree, but whilst it is easy to objectively demonstrate the time, what constitutes causing a nuisance to others can be very subjective, i.e. one person will need ore tolerant of an give than another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, cuthound said: ... i.e. one person will need ore tolerant of an give than another. At least with MtB's typo I understood what he meant... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cheese said: At least with MtB's typo I understood what he meant... Damn spillchucker ?. Should have read "i.e. one person will be more tolerant of an engine running than another". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain_S Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 7 hours ago, Naughty Cal said: And have warm beer? No thanks. Lager is not beer ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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