keith. Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/notice/13488/macclesfield-canal-bridge-26-and-27 Macclesfield closed at Bollington ufn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Those stop planks will know their own way in and out soon. Open.closed.open,closed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boater Sam Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Another recent repair that has gone bad again. Do they get anything right these days? The old guys fixed things with a pick, shovel and wheelbarrow, and they stayed fixed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceinSanity Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 This just in: Notice Alert Macclesfield CanalStarts At: Bridge 26, Sugar Lane BridgeEnds At: Bridge 27, Kerridge Road Bridge Sunday 15 July 2018 12:45 until further notice Type: Navigation Restriction Reason: Structure failure Update on 16/07/2018: Our Engineers have now completed their investigations. We are in the process of starting to carry out repairs needed to re-open the canal. As part of these repairs, we need to completely de-water the canal and carry out a fish rescue which will take place tomorrow. Our contractor will then start an emergency repair to allow the canal to re-opened. While the canal is dewatered our engineers will take the opportunity to plan a permanent solution to be carried out at a later date. We will provide a further update on Thursday 19th July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0atman Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 interestingly the feeder at Whaley Bridge is running well far better than last week hopefully it doesn't go to waste over the side weirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuscan Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Photos by Lorraine Linton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0atman Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 Amazing how as before (i believe) leak is travelling from one side under canal and out the other onto the sports ground . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 26 minutes ago, b0atman said: Amazing how as before (i believe) leak is travelling from one side under canal and out the other onto the sports ground . It'd have a job going out just on that side - that building behind is on the up side of a steep hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayalld Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 14 hours ago, BruceinSanity said: This just in: Notice Alert Macclesfield CanalStarts At: Bridge 26, Sugar Lane BridgeEnds At: Bridge 27, Kerridge Road Bridge Sunday 15 July 2018 12:45 until further notice Type: Navigation Restriction Reason: Structure failure Update on 16/07/2018: Our Engineers have now completed their investigations. We are in the process of starting to carry out repairs needed to re-open the canal. As part of these repairs, we need to completely de-water the canal and carry out a fish rescue which will take place tomorrow. Our contractor will then start an emergency repair to allow the canal to re-opened. While the canal is dewatered our engineers will take the opportunity to plan a permanent solution to be carried out at a later date. We will provide a further update on Thursday 19th July. On the one hand, I'm actually quite encouraged by the prospect of them carrying out an emergency repair, because we are planning on going that way soon. On the other, the last time we were here, the first emergency repair failed within a couple of days, so we could be there again. The bigger picture though is that we had this last year and the year before with emergency repairs that weren't followed up by a permanent repair over the winter. CRT are serially doing the minimum possible patching up then not following up with a proper repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0atman Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Sea Dog said: It'd have a job going out just on that side - that building behind is on the up side of a steep hill. and to the right of it is a steep road downwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayalld Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, b0atman said: and to the right of it is a steep road downwards What is a considerable worry is that as the water is exiting at one side and emerging at the other, it is scouring under the invert, and this brings a huge risk of a breach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0atman Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 exactly as mayalld says the risk must be that the bottom will soon be at risk of falling into a sink hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canals are us? Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) How do they fix it properly? I presume dig out hole and refill with rubble, clay? Why not fix it permanently while drained and get it done once and right. CRT really do need in house repair teams and local knowledge of previous workers who can be called in on jobs in their area. James Edited July 17, 2018 by canals are us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0atman Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 12 hours ago, canals are us? said: How do they fix it properly? I presume dig out hole and refill with rubble, clay? Why not fix it permanently while drained and get it done once and right. CRT really do need in house repair teams and local knowledge of previous workers who can be called in on jobs in their area. James Ram loads of puddle clay into the hole .However this needs a serious seeing to which will not happen because then CRT will say but its not leaking now ,So temporary becomes permanent until the next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceinSanity Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, b0atman said: Ram loads of puddle clay into the hole .However this needs a serious seeing to which will not happen because then CRT will say but its not leaking now ,So temporary becomes permanent until the next time. So what part of Quote While the canal is dewatered our engineers will take the opportunity to plan a permanent solution to be carried out at a later date. didn't you read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayalld Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, BruceinSanity said: So what part of didn't you read? I read all of it. They will plan a permanent solution to be carried out at "a later date". This winter, they will say "It's OK for now, we will look to do it next winter". Next Summer it will leak again, and they will make a temporary repair, and next winter they won't do the permanent repair, because the temporary repair is holding. This will continue until it breaches (because they are patching an increasingly destabilised embankment), and the plans that they have for a permanent repair will be a waste of effort, because they will need a new plan. This is the THIRD year running that they have had to put stop planks in there, and the third year running that they have done running repairs; 2016: https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/notice/8033/macclesfield-canal-between-bridges-26-and-27 2017: https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/notice/11063/macclesfield-canal-between-bridges-26-and-27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayalld Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 15 hours ago, canals are us? said: How do they fix it properly? I presume dig out hole and refill with rubble, clay? Why not fix it permanently while drained and get it done once and right. CRT really do need in house repair teams and local knowledge of previous workers who can be called in on jobs in their area. James Basically, a temporary repair involves fixing the immediate canal bed with clay. It is a sticking plaster. A permanent repair recognises that the clay is failing because it isn't supported from below. Some of the material (that isn't itself) waterproof that supports the waterproof clay layer has been washed away, and that is letting the clay fail. How you fix it is to replace the underlying rubble and smaller stone etc, by digging a long way into the embankment, and adding new stone (there is something of a science around interlocking stone by using appropriate sizes), then relining. That is VERY expensive (pretty much as expensive as fixing a breach). It may be possible to dig out less spoil, and stabilise the embankment by pressure grouting (basically pumping in a cement slurry that will fill all the voids and cavities deep within the embankment). Whichever way, its a big, protracted, job, and a job that you don't want to be doing when loads of people want to go boating 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0atman Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 3 hours ago, BruceinSanity said: So what part of didn't you read? the same statement that was made before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidb Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 It should be back in water by now, this was the Marple side at 11am today: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0atman Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 The refilling has to be done slowly to check fix has worked and also I do not want to sit on bottom at Bugsworth ?. Water is going through Whaley Bridge Transhipment warehouse at a good rate and is at point of trickling over side weir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayalld Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 hours ago, b0atman said: The refilling has to be done slowly to check fix has worked and also I do not want to sit on bottom at Bugsworth ?. Water is going through Whaley Bridge Transhipment warehouse at a good rate and is at point of trickling over side weir. I notice that the promised update on the stoppage notice didn't happen. Do they really not understand that if you say you will update on a particular day, you should update on that day (even if you only say, we are still working on it and will update in 2 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgreg Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 hour ago, mayalld said: I notice that the promised update on the stoppage notice didn't happen. Do they really not understand that if you say you will update on a particular day, you should update on that day (even if you only say, we are still working on it and will update in 2 days Yes, I noticed that but it's surprising because they're usually pretty good at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain birdseye Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 update has now been issued. The canal is open following repair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayalld Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 3 hours ago, captain birdseye said: update has now been issued. The canal is open following repair Oddly enough, it looks like they have completely deleted the stoppage notice now. I can see the 2016 and 2017 notices, but not this year's Are they perhaps deleting the evidence that they said they would effect a permanent repair eventually? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Lewis Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 19 hours ago, captain birdseye said: update has now been issued. The canal is open following repair https://www.facebook.com/groups/26001922752/permalink/10155870050587753/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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