Scholar Gypsy Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 I've finally succumbed and bought a pair of these (from the Force 4 website). Will make getting on and off the boat quite a bit safer - previously this line went to the T-stud on the bows. I am sure I will be able to think of loads of other uses for them as well. I forgot to take a photo of the cleat when it is folded down but you can see the space where it folds into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 Will they be strong enough for a steel narrowboat? I can see them working for a light yoghurt pot but 20 odd tons of narrowboat? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scholar Gypsy Posted June 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, WotEver said: Will they be strong enough for a steel narrowboat? I can see them working for a light yoghurt pot but 20 odd tons of narrowboat? I think so - they are pretty solidly made. I know several people who have them and have had no problems. I wouldn't use them to stop the boat eg if surging forward in a lock, or as the sole mooring point, but they are handy eg if you are moored alongside other boats, or need an extra spring, or want something to take a turn around eg if your bow line is round a riser cable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, WotEver said: Will they be strong enough for a steel narrowboat? I can see them working for a light yoghurt pot but 20 odd tons of narrowboat? I wondered the same, but then thought that a 7 tonne yoghurt pot moored in an exposed coastal marina with winds and tides affecting it will probably be subjected to much higher forces that a 20 tonne sewer-tube moored on a 'still water' muddy ditch. My concern would be mounting them in that position would be as a trip-hazard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scholar Gypsy Posted June 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: I wondered the same, but then thought that a 7 tonne yoghurt pot moored in an exposed coastal marina with winds and tides affecting it will probably be subjected to much higher forces that a 20 tonne sewer-tube moored on a 'still water' muddy ditch. My concern would be mounting them in that position would be as a trip-hazard. I'll let you know: not fallen in yet (48 years cruising, so I am really tempting fate). Crew are advised to use the sidedeck to the left ie by the bulkhead, so they have something to hold on to. When folded down the cleat is at same height as the lip on the sidedeck. Edited June 29, 2018 by Scholar Gypsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: I wondered the same, but then thought that a 7 tonne yoghurt pot moored in an exposed coastal marina with winds and tides affecting it will probably be subjected to much higher forces that a 20 tonne sewer-tube moored on a 'still water' muddy ditch. My concern would be mounting them in that position would be as a trip-hazard. I have some secondary cleats on this boat of heavy brass construction used as described by the OP they are useful. However mine are fitted out of the well deck area nearer the pointy end. They are still very useful and close to hand but not a trip hazard. The problem with most of these like shown here and mine is the fixings are usualy just threaded bar bolted underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machpoint005 Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Scholar Gypsy said: I wouldn't use them to stop the boat eg if surging forward in a lock In that scenario you might not have any choice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scholar Gypsy Posted June 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 22 minutes ago, Machpoint005 said: In that scenario you might not have any choice! Sorry if I was unclear. In a lock I'd be using my main bow line which is attached to the normal T-stud, and/or a stern line on the stern dolly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldlimey Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 I wasn't sure but I have been using the small version of this on our 54footer to moor in the marina for over a year with no issues. It is mounted on the gunnels about about 35 ft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machpoint005 Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Scholar Gypsy said: Sorry if I was unclear. In a lock I'd be using my main bow line which is attached to the normal T-stud, and/or a stern line on the stern dolly. Fairy Nuff. I was just making the general point that in an emergency the tendency is to grab first and think later! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenataomm Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 4 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said: My concern would be mounting them in that position would be as a trip-hazard. That would have been my concern, however the owner appears to have thought about that. Not only is there a conveniently placed mat to arrest the tumble, but it's also very polite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machpoint005 Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 There is already a trip hazard - the side of the boat! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scholar Gypsy Posted June 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, zenataomm said: That would have been my concern, however the owner appears to have thought about that. Not only is there a conveniently placed mat to arrest the tumble, but it's also very polite. That's my neighbour's mat. Mine would read as follows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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