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19 minutes ago, tree monkey said:

Cool, I expect you have some sort of study to back this up, I would love to read it, I am always up for learning new stuff

As a non Arborist I have a good idea which trees I will not to Moor under. 

Arborist may have a wider choice of shady trees to Moor under as they maybe more aware of which are the risky ones and which are safer. 

 

Real life tells me that trees fall over canals. 

 

I also would be interested in any studies and statistics that may be available on thus subject, would be interesting. 

 I would also, genuinely, be interested in the causes of canal side trees falling, have any studies been done on this that you know of? 

 

Might be worth  whole new thread. 

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Trees give off sap, and birds sh1t from their perches on them. My car suffers more than the boat, but it can be irritating! Every now and the, you hear about a tree blocking the canal, so some must fall over. Every now and then, we come across them.

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7 minutes ago, reg said:

As a non Arborist I have a good idea which trees I will not to Moor under. 

Arborist may have a wider choice of shady trees to Moor under as they maybe more aware of which are the risky ones and which are safer. 

 

Real life tells me that trees fall over canals. 

 

I also would be interested in any studies and statistics that may be available on thus subject, would be interesting. 

 I would also, genuinely, be interested in the causes of canal side trees falling, have any studies been done on this that you know of? 

 

Might be worth  whole new thread. 

There is no specific canal side tree study and tbh theres no specific canal issues affecting trees as compared to any other areas, that I am aware of.

 

There is no one specific reason why trees fail, its normally a combination of biotic and abiotic issues and when you consider how many trees there are and how many actually fail, its rare and even rarer that is causes any serious injury.

 

Trees are dynamic things and adapt to the situation there growing in, which for example means that exposed roots often means bugger all to the stability of the tree and likelihood of failure, of bigger concern is the substrate the trees growing in, as an example Woodsheves cutting on the shroppy,  the embankment is itself unstable and well put it this way I wouldn't moor there in a high wind, it is fasinating to see the trees slowly moving down the hill and how they adapt.

 

CRT do survey their trees but their big problem is off side stuff, most of it isn't under their control

 

 

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26 minutes ago, tree monkey said:

There is no specific canal side tree study and tbh theres no specific canal issues affecting trees as compared to any other areas, that I am aware of

I reckon you should write a book. 

 

"Tree monkeys guide to canalside trees and shrubberies" 

 

I'd buy a copy. Well, borrow one from the library at least. :)

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33 minutes ago, tree monkey said:

There is no specific canal side tree study and tbh theres no specific canal issues affecting trees as compared to any other areas, that I am aware of.

 

There is no one specific reason why trees fail, its normally a combination of biotic and abiotic issues and when you consider how many trees there are and how many actually fail, its rare and even rarer that is causes any serious injury.

 

Trees are dynamic things and adapt to the situation there growing in, which for example means that exposed roots often means bugger all to the stability of the tree and likelihood of failure, of bigger concern is the substrate the trees growing in, as an example Woodsheves cutting on the shroppy,  the embankment is itself unstable and well put it this way I wouldn't moor there in a high wind, it is fasinating to see the trees slowly moving down the hill and how they adapt.

 

CRT do survey their trees but their big problem is off side stuff, most of it isn't under their control

 

 

Got that CRT part from here particularly their lack of control over off side trees. 

https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/specialist-teams/maintaining-our-waterways/vegetation-management/trees-by-our-waterways

 

I personally have had 2 near misses in 11 years one last year where a smallish tree fell directly between myself and the boat behind. The other a few years ago on trent and Mersey near, I think, Weston when a very large tree fell over seconds after I had past it, trunk was a good 3 to 4ft diameter and would of caused serious damage. 

 

Have also witnessed or seen  many other instances over the years. 

 

I think we become aware of the 'bad' spots and know which to avoid or get through quickly. I certainly get a feel for the places to avoid mooring in and try to avoid mooring under even slightly dodgy looking trees, particularly when high winds are forecast. 

 

5 minutes ago, rusty69 said:

I reckon you should write a book. 

 

"Tree monkeys guide to canalside trees and shrubberies" 

 

I'd buy a copy. Well, borrow one from the library at least. :)

Or

 

"Tree monkeys guide to canalside trees and shrubberies" and what to look out for when mooring. 

 

 

Actually that isn't a bad idea, certainly a guide on what to look out for and maybe a  list of the 'bad' areas. 

 

Always happy to volunteer someone else for a project. ?

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1 hour ago, mrsmelly said:

Yes they are vastly superior to  narrow boats its just the idiots a few years ago built a load of seven feet wide locks and buggered it all up. I think we may one day go back to a sensible beam boat but at present still doing large cruising area so we have no choice ? Will be in your neck of the woods in a month or twoish.

Indeed. Mooring fees aren't cheap for a wide beam around 3.5k a year. Would love a river bank mooring somewhere in the Midlands!

Hopefully in a month or 2 I'll be out Cruising so may meet out on the cut:cheers:

James:)

 

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18 minutes ago, reg said:

Got that CRT part from here particularly their lack of control over off side trees. 

https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/specialist-teams/maintaining-our-waterways/vegetation-management/trees-by-our-waterways

 

I personally have had 2 near misses in 11 years one last year where a smallish tree fell directly between myself and the boat behind. The other a few years ago on trent and Mersey near, I think, Weston when a very large tree fell over seconds after I had past it, trunk was a good 3 to 4ft diameter and would of caused serious damage. 

 

Have also witnessed or seen  many other instances over the years. 

 

I think we become aware of the 'bad' spots and know which to avoid or get through quickly. I certainly get a feel for the places to avoid mooring in and try to avoid mooring under even slightly dodgy looking trees, particularly when high winds are forecast. 

 

Or

 

"Tree monkeys guide to canalside trees and shrubberies" and what to look out for when mooring. 

 

 

Actually that isn't a bad idea, certainly a guide on what to look out for and maybe a  list of the 'bad' areas. 

 

Always happy to volunteer someone else for a project. ?

2 close calls in 11 year's,  not sure if thats lucky or unlucky,  almost 30yrs working on and off the tools and I've never seen a failure happen, been to many after the fact but never seen it

 

A tree monkey book, nahhh not giving all my sekrets away,  a gentlemonkey never kisses and tells

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Hi all

We have just got home today from two very very hot fantastic weeks going from Aldermaston  wharf  on the K&A and up the  upper Thames  and onto the oxford canal and back again 

the weather was 28 -30d every day  we had 2 fans with us  but the best thing was to moor up in the shade to keep cool 

jacko

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I cheat a little and use a ElectrIQ Compact air conditioner on my narrowboat.  Despite being a compact model, it still takes up space but has proven invaluable in this heatwave despite not being able to run it via the inverter.

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On 24/06/2018 at 18:32, reg said:

As a non Arborist I have a good idea which trees I will not to Moor under. 

Arborist may have a wider choice of shady trees to Moor under as they maybe more aware of which are the risky ones and which are safer. 

 

Real life tells me that trees fall over canals. 

 

I also would be interested in any studies and statistics that may be available on thus subject, would be interesting. 

 I would also, genuinely, be interested in the causes of canal side trees falling, have any studies been done on this that you know of? 

 

Might be worth  whole new thread. 

I go along with that and avoid trees for lots of reasons. They fall over, bits break off, they drip sap. birds sit in them and poo on the boat. Rooks sit in them and wake you up, if it rains they drip drip drip on you, the leaves fall all over the boat.

On 23/06/2018 at 06:02, JB Segal said:

So, I saw an article today saying that the next month is likely to be the hottest ever in England. Luckily I don’t arrive to spend a month on the canals until a month from now. However, I don’t actually expect that that is going to save me. ;)

 

It will be pouring with rain by then, cold and everywhere flooded so bring warm cloths with you.

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On 07/07/2018 at 19:46, jacko264 said:

Hi all

We have just got home today from two very very hot fantastic weeks going from Aldermaston  wharf  on the K&A and up the  upper Thames  and onto the oxford canal and back again 

the weather was 28 -30d every day  we had 2 fans with us  but the best thing was to moor up in the shade to keep cool 

jacko

We were also away for the same two weeks, going from Scarisbrick to Chester (the long way round via Autherley junction!). We never had a problem at all with heat inside the boat and sleeping - having two side doors helped a lot. when we got home on Sunday we struggled to sleep that night!

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On ‎24‎/‎06‎/‎2018 at 18:14, tree monkey said:

Cool, I expect you have some sort of study to back this up, I would love to read it, I am always up for learning new stuff

Trees can fall over - or large lumps of tree can fall off.

 

A couple of years ago  we moored at Stoke Lock on the River Trent on the visitor pontoon. One early morning on a still day there was a sound of splitting of wood and large piece of tree split from the main trunk and fell over the footpath and crashed against the metal ramp of  the pontoon. It narrowly missed a friend of ours who was  standing a the very spot when the tree fell but ran out of the way with a fraction of a second to spare.

The falling branches missed my boat by a few feet.

The tree is part of a woodland . A closer look showed many trees that were looking like they could shed a branch or two . Reported it to C&RT. They promptly cleared the fallen tree from the footpath but did nothing more.

 

Many years ago a large oak tree near my home did a very similar thing - blocking the road and amazingly no one was injured.

 

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12 minutes ago, MartynG said:

Trees can fall over - or large lumps of tree can fall off.

 

A couple of years ago  we moored at Stoke Lock on the River Trent on the visitor pontoon. One early morning on a still day there was a sound of splitting of wood and large piece of tree split from the main trunk and fell over the footpath and crashed against the metal ramp of  the pontoon. It narrowly missed a friend of ours who was  standing a the very spot when the tree fell but ran out of the way with a fraction of a second to spare.

The falling branches missed my boat by a few feet.

The tree is part of a woodland . A closer look showed many trees that were looking like they could shed a branch or two . Reported it to C&RT. They promptly cleared the fallen tree from the footpath but did nothing more.

 

Many years ago a large oak tree near my home did a very similar thing - blocking the road and amazingly no one was injured.

 

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Unless it's CRT's woodland they won't be able to do anything.   

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1 hour ago, Robbo said:

Unless it's CRT's woodland they won't be able to do anything.   

But it will be somebody's and they have a duty of care which means the trees should be routinely inspected where they might pose a danger to users of the adjacent canal.

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1 hour ago, MartynG said:

Trees can fall over - or large lumps of tree can fall off.

 

A couple of years ago  we moored at Stoke Lock on the River Trent on the visitor pontoon. One early morning on a still day there was a sound of splitting of wood and large piece of tree split from the main trunk and fell over the footpath and crashed against the metal ramp of  the pontoon. It narrowly missed a friend of ours who was  standing a the very spot when the tree fell but ran out of the way with a fraction of a second to spare.

The falling branches missed my boat by a few feet.

The tree is part of a woodland . A closer look showed many trees that were looking like they could shed a branch or two . Reported it to C&RT. They promptly cleared the fallen tree from the footpath but did nothing more.

 

Many years ago a large oak tree near my home did a very similar thing - blocking the road and amazingly no one was injured.

 

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Of course trees can fall and branches can fail, the reality is the risk is tiny, on average 7 serious injuries accross the UK in a year.

 

The fact is that on the canals we are likely to see more failures than most people because most canal side trees would be considered as to have a low risk of actually causing any damage.

 

More effort is put into mitigation on street trees for example, than would ever be put into canal side trees.

 

Saying that CRT do have a survey programme in place that uses a gps based survey programme with a resurvey based on risk scores, unfortunately offside veg is often nothing to do with CRT and they have no statutory powers to request hazard tree removal as far as I am aware.

 

As an aside most peoples perception of tree risk is much higher than the reality,  much much higher,  trust me I spend most of my time explaining this to the wider world

13 minutes ago, Sea Dog said:

But it will be somebody's and they have a duty of care which means the trees should be routinely inspected where they might pose a danger to users of the adjacent canal.

That duty of care in many cases is hardly exacting,  there is no legal requirement for a private individual to have any sort of professional survey.

 

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On 24/06/2018 at 19:44, tree monkey said:

2 close calls in 11 year's,  not sure if thats lucky or unlucky,  almost 30yrs working on and off the tools and I've never seen a failure happen, been to many after the fact but never seen it

 

A tree monkey book, nahhh not giving all my sekrets away,  a gentlemonkey never kisses and tells

 

"Gentlemonkey" ?

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