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David Schweizer

Braunston Historic Boat Rally 2018

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6 minutes ago, roland elsdon said:

Always good to be proved wrong... she is the youngest listed boat on the list of boats from the harland and wolff website though and some of those dates dont tie up to the above.

However regarless of that the warranty has run out, and the evidence is that in spite of having some careful owners, the uncaring ones ruled the roost...

 

 

1 minute ago, roland elsdon said:

Interesting that h and w have her listed as built 11/37 and you say delivered 3/37 but not registered as dwelling til 38. Change boat? Crew shortage?.

I think you will find the dates on 'The Yard' website are the health registration dates. All of my dates come from G.U.C.C.Co. Ltd. records, and I have no reason to disbelieve them as the Yarwood dates are the same when compared to Yarwood records. I have had some communication with the person who runs 'The Yard' website and bought these dates to his attention, but obviously to no avail. Once again this proves that these websites are highly unreliable, and why would anybody wish to use them when there are canal boat researchers who freely give out this information :captain:

 

For those who wish to use 'The Yard' website then here is a link, but please bare in mind that this is enthusiast collated from books such as The George and The Mary e.t.c.:-

 

http://www.theyard.info/ 

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All the G.U. Motors were built with two engine room slides, Joshers only had one. When the Petter PD2s were fitted to the G.U. Motors the stbd side slide was welded up to make space for the air ducting. Planet’s engine room roof had largely been replaced, and only one slide (port side) was fitted at that time, we subsequently replaced it again a couple of years ago, and the current owner decided to stick with one slide then as well. As for Star, the welded steel cabin and engine room was too high and the roof was too wide, we lowered the sides and fitted a new roof around 14 years ago which made it proportionally correct, although still all welded. We fitted two slides at that time. Aquila’s engine room, which is completely new (apart from the doors) was also built with two slides as I was trying to make it as accurate as I could. I also riveted (rather than bolted ) the engine room roof on as per original - the front bulkhead unbolts to get the engine out.  

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15 hours ago, pete harrison said:

PLANET has had at least three engine types, and possibly four.

 

PLANET was built with a National and retained this type until it was replaced by a Lister HA2 or HB2 (depending on who you talk to) in about 1966 whilst being converted to a trip boat at Earlswood. Once in private ownership I think this Lister was replaced by a Lister JP2, and shortly afterwards by the National that is currently fitted.

 

There are very few boats that retain their original engine types, although several have been returned after being fitted with something else during their history :captain:

this is quite true but some have had engines fitted longer than there original.

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Yes pete i had heard of the date given as the health date , not delivery. Not heard of that delivery date though. Will add it to our information.

interesting isnt it these boats were built  in an organised way on a production line , very much in living memory  and documented. Yet information is already corrupted. I guess its because it was seen as irrelevant to a mass produced object with a short use life.

now where did i abandon that escort rs 1600i back in 1978 when the alternator failed ? Must go and weigh it in...

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9 hours ago, Steve Priest said:

Planet’s engine room roof had largely been replaced, and only one slide (port side) was fitted at that time...................

 

Ah- that's interesting.

 

So I think you are saying that what we viewed about 4 years ago was largely 1950s roof, not 1930s.

 

It had not survived well (!) and I'm not surprised itwas decided another replacement was required!

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3 hours ago, roland elsdon said:

Yes pete i had heard of the date given as the health date , not delivery. Not heard of that delivery date though. Will add it to our information.

interesting isnt it these boats were built  in an organised way on a production line , very much in living memory  and documented. Yet information is already corrupted. I guess its because it was seen as irrelevant to a mass produced object with a short use life.

When I prepare a history for a Harland and Wolff boat I always supply the build date as sourced from original G.U.C.C.Co. Ltd. documents. I also have a good transcript of Harland and Wolff's North Woolwich 'Yard List' that includes order numbers and Yard numbers, but I do not quote these unless they are specifically requested - and these number will not be found on 'The Yard' website.

 

In my opinion the internet is responsible for boat information becoming corrupted, where websites are created and then populated using material that is not researched and often lifted from other websites or publications - or in the case of 'The Yard' website simply misinterpreted with the dates of health registration being considered near enough. Then there is the human element where we believe what we read, especially if it is from something that looks credible - like a website such as 'The Yard' which on face value appears to be linked to Harland and Wolff but in reality is collated by an 'enthusiast'.

 

When I owned my last pair of boats in the 1980's finding out historical information was difficult and involved conversations with archives, ex-boaters as well as previous owners. We now live in a very different and material world where people expect everything to be easily available and the thirst for first hand research is rapidly dwindling. I am sure that these poor quality websites are not unique to the 'historic' boat world and I think it is inevitable that history is being rewritten by 'enthusiasts' with a computer :captain:

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This is a letter regarding the late registration of L&LC boat 255, which suggests it was fairly common for boats to enter service before being officially registered.

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4 hours ago, alan_fincher said:

 

Ah- that's interesting.

 

So I think you are saying that what we viewed about 4 years ago was largely 1950s roof, not 1930s.

 

It had not survived well (!) and I'm not surprised itwas decided another replacement was required!

Yes, that is the essence of it. Pure conjecture, but I imagine that  roof may have dated from when Planet was converted to a trip boat at Earlswood in the ‘60’s

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31 minutes ago, koukouvagia said:

Horseboat Hampton on its way back from the rally. ?

 

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Well if you will try and rely on a BMC 1800!..................................

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6 hours ago, Steve Priest said:

Yes, that is the essence of it. Pure conjecture, but I imagine that  roof may have dated from when Planet was converted to a trip boat at Earlswood in the ‘60’s

And for those not involved in historic boats who may not know what can happen to such things in fifty-ish years.....

 

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Of course, I remember, you had a look around it when it was for sale, I think the only original bits are the pigeon box angle and the flanges across both the front and rear bulkheads

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Ah! I’ve just realised what I said, the flanges on the bulkheads would have been fitted when the original roof was de- riveted, so they aren’t original either - that just leaves the pigeon box flange.

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On 27/06/2018 at 17:41, alan_fincher said:

On the off-chance (!).........

 

Some excellent pictures have appeared of "Sickle" in Saturday's parade, but when we take "Flamingo" out, (as we did on Sunday), it seldom seems to result in photographs being made public.

 

So did anybody take any pictures or videos of "Flamingo" on parade on Sunday, please, and would you be prepared to share them?

 

Becky managed to get a few of Flamingo passing through the marina.

 

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16 minutes ago, IanM said:

Becky managed to get a few of Flamingo passing through the marina.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Did anyone else notice that shirt?

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56 minutes ago, David Schweizer said:

 

Did anyone else notice that shirt?

Well it is maybe not one of your best, but I wouldn't be too embarrassed by it!
 

Braunston Historic Boat Festival 2018

 

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1 hour ago, IanM said:

Becky managed to get a few of Flamingo passing through the marina.

 

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Excellent - assuming I ever get to write one, can I please include these in a blog post?

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Quite a few people suggested on Saturday that the reason "Sickle" got around the parade far faster than is typical is because it had a much better steerer than in previous years!
 

Braunston Historic Boat Festival 2018

 

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Well regardless of your opinion about my fairly normal shirt, the one thing it does not sport is hundreds of pink birds!!??

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It served it's purpose - throughout Braunston I had a very heavily bloodshot eye.  Between the dark glasses and the shirt I think few people noticed!

 

(As an aside, it's also rare to get a shot of me behind chimney brass that has actually had a reasonable polish!)

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2 hours ago, alan_fincher said:

Excellent - assuming I ever get to write one, can I please include these in a blog post?

 

Of course, happy for you to use them :) 

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