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[reg]

Don't see why you should be banned for saying what you believe. 

There does seem to be a unhealthy prejudice against new London boaters. 

That what I believe and and happy to debate it. 

Sure the mods could keep it on track 

Edited May 31, 2018 by reg

[Tony Brooks]

4 hours ago, reg said:

Don't see why you should be banned for saying what you believe. 

There does seem to be a unhealthy prejudice against new London boaters. 

That what I believe and and happy to debate it. 

Sure the mods could keep it on track 

Is it an unhealthy prejudice or is it something else?

 

Personal I hate it when reason tells me that a questioner is going to spend a lot of money and then will likely find they have put themselves in a difficult situation. In the case of this particular topic I can well see the OP having to moor a fair way out of London and will also have problems keeping within the rules CaRT impose upon CCers. However if she has a mooring that will allow or do a Nelson to long term live-a-boarding then she should be fine.

 

On the balance of probabilities  I don't think that is likely to be the case so she may well be heading for problems. The only thing I can see wrong is the way this has been put, not the information given. I think  similar views would have been given for the Western end of the K&A and possibly central Manchester although the lkatter is a different navigation authority.

[reg]

58 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

The only thing I can see wrong is the way this has been put, not the information given.

Certainly can agree with that. Sort of all the right notes but not necessarily etc 

 

I sometimes think people forget the nervousness some people have in entering a new forum and that they do not understand, understandably, the dynamics of a group and the sometimes answers can be robust and often not what you want to hear. Takes time to get that understanding, in the meantime I, and I know I'm not the only one, prefer to give newbies a bit of slack until they settle in a bit. 

 

 

I'm an inclusionist by nature, as you may of noticed, and fairly robust, have played poker in Glasgow Saucihall casino where they erred more on the side of not being inclusionist's particularly to a lone sasenach. 

 

Was going to post more but it would of been blather 

Edited May 31, 2018 by reg

[Richard10002]

56 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

The only thing I can see wrong is the way this has been put, not the information given.

I think that is what happened, and I am not surprised we haven't heard from her again.

 

Assuming she was genuine, she is a woman with big ideas and hopes for herself and her little family and, presumably, a tidy sum in savings with which to make it happen.

 

Rather than shooting her down in flames, she could have been let down gently and, over a period, helped to either find a way that might work for her, or to decide that it was a bit too ambitious.

[ditchcrawler]

58 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

Is it an unhealthy prejudice or is it something else?

 

Personal I hate it when reason tells me that a questioner is going to spend a lot of money and then will likely find they have put themselves in a difficult situation. In the case of this particular topic I can well see the OP having to moor a fair way out of London and will also have problems keeping within the rules CaRT impose upon CCers. However if she has a mooring that will allow or do a Nelson to long term live-a-boarding then she should be fine.

 

On the balance of probabilities  I don't think that is likely to be the case so she may well be heading for problems. The only thing I can see wrong is the way this has been put, not the information given. I think  similar views would have been given for the Western end of the K&A and possibly central Manchester although the lkatter is a different navigation authority.

And if she had have stayed there could have possibly been a better outcome for her, she may have a mooring and would have received lots of good advice or if as expected she is joining the shufflers then maybe she would have changed her mind on the decision, now she has gone just thinking we are all bias and will just do her own thing, right or wrong. 

We had this discussion some months back about how officious we can seam to new comers. 

[reg]

1 minute ago, ditchcrawler said:

We had this discussion some months back about how officious we can seam to new comers. 

Often forgot. 

[Tony Brooks]

Not an excuse but some newcomers seem complete plonks and ignore/reject advice so now and again someone who may be having a bad day bites back, much as I did in the deleted thread under fishing.

 

It happens, none of use are saints, so even newcomers need to make some allowances, especially when the question has been asked in other words times and times before..

[PaulJ]

7 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

 

We had this discussion some months back about how officious we can seam to new comers. 

Only a minority DC. Your comments I always find as Im sure newcomers do, factual but respectful. 

[nicknorman]

Well it was a fairly basic question, a bit like “does the boat move towards the pointy end or the blunt end? Or “why has water stopped coming out of the taps (a week after taking delivery of a new boat)”. If you are going to spend your life saving on a boat, surely prior to this it would be a good idea to do some basic research rather than just watching Tim and Pru on the telly.

 

In my case I wasn’t rude but I did give her some “home truths” which she clearly didn’t want to hear. She may have been upset by it but equally she may be prompted to do some more research before actually blowing her life savings, and if the latter transpires it was worth the former. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

[reg]

ETA Replying to Tony's post here. I must learn to type faster. 

 

But that is where prejudice  can creep in, because of negative previous encounters with members of an, often perceived, 'group' the reaction can be to pre judge people, in this case just because they want to live on a boat in London. 

 

But as you say  no ones a  Saint(well except for saints that is) including myself I can  sometimes fall into the trap. If  I do then I would hope an interjection, likes those from Bee and Ssscruddy in this thread, would be forthcoming. 

 

Edited May 31, 2018 by reg

[reg]

19 minutes ago, nicknorman said:

Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

And sometimes you have to be kind to be kind ?

 

Eta

Pre planning. Have already checked the definition of 'sanctimonious'  and sentences where it might be used (some seem quite rude) 

Edited May 31, 2018 by reg

[Guest]

Twas ever thus… I well remember many, many years ago this forum hounded a poor young girl (who was rather partial to soul music) for merely asking the question about a designer gas hob for her new boat palace.  Im ashamed to admit I joined in the ‘fun’ because at the time I too was a novice. I of course had done my research including asking daft questions on here and I had also given back some sharp replies and survived the backlash. So feeling superior I chipped in with my twopence worth in order to sound as worldly wise as the rest of the canal world trouncers. 

 

The poor soul girl eventually left for the gentler climes of narrowmind world, but not before she actually got her boat up and running on the system well before I did.  I got bogged down in research over a full winter and eventually launched, wiser and I'm still surviving, loving the life. But I often wonder what happened to the girl and enquiries like this remind me starkly how much we can spoil a fragile beginning for somebody. I learnt from it so I hope Mac10 rediscovers her enthusiasm from among the barrage of old git replies, however sensible and correct they may have been. 

 

If you are still reading Mac10, hang in there and come and give it back, you have support and will have wherever you end up. Just don't stop asking

[WotEver]

11 minutes ago, Winn said:

If you are still reading Mac10, hang in there and come and give it back, you have support and will have wherever you end up.

Well, she’s still visiting. As to whether she’ll join in the banter that is of course up to her. 

[Guest]

[Alan de Enfield]

12 minutes ago, Winn said:

Twas ever thus… I well remember many, many years ago this forum hounded a poor young girl (who was rather partial to soul music) for merely asking the question about a designer gas hob for her new boat palace.  Im ashamed to admit I joined in the ‘fun’ because at the time I too was a novice. I of course had done my research including asking daft questions on here and I had also given back some sharp replies and survived the backlash. So feeling superior I chipped in with my twopence worth in order to sound as worldly wise as the rest of the canal world trouncers. 

 

The poor soul girl eventually left for the gentler climes of narrowmind world, but not before she actually got her boat up and running on the system well before I did.  I got bogged down in research over a full winter and eventually launched, wiser and I'm still surviving, loving the life. But I often wonder what happened to the girl and enquiries like this remind me starkly how much we can spoil a fragile beginning for somebody. I learnt from it so I hope Mac10 rediscovers her enthusiasm from among the barrage of old git replies, however sensible and correct they may have been. 

 

If you are still reading Mac10, hang in there and come and give it back, you have support and will have wherever you end up. Just don't stop asking

Then there was the 'young girl (last year) called Miss Max who asked for help and advice, she received it, still bought the boat and had tremendous problems. I PM'd her and offered assistance (turns out lucky she didn't accept), other members actually went to help and were subsequently accused of offering help for 'services', she eventually closed all of the air vents and painted the whole boat in black bitumen paint. and was never heard of again.

 

Do a forum search if you want to see what happened.

 

Not everyone wants to hear the truth when they ask a question - they are rally looking for a response "gee your doing great, what a great idea, forget the rules just do what you want, anything goes in London"

[Tony Brooks]

Watch out Martin you may get accused of stalking as Alan was recently.

[Jennifer McM]

5 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

Then there was the 'young girl (last year) called Miss Max who asked for help and advice, she received it, still bought the boat and had tremendous problems. I PM'd her and offered assistance (turns out lucky she didn't accept), other members actually went to help and were subsequently accused of offering help for 'services', she eventually closed all of the air vents and painted the whole boat in black bitumen paint. and was never heard of again.

 

Do a forum search if you want to see what happened.

 

Not everyone wants to hear the truth when they ask a question - they are rally looking for a response "gee your doing great, what a great idea, forget the rules just do what you want, anything goes in London"

I remember that thread, wasn't she the one who was asking for help in the middle of the night because her cat was stuck inside an Indian Restaurant? 

[Alan de Enfield]

Just now, Jennifer McM said:

I remember that thread, wasn't she the one who was asking for help in the middle of the night because her cat was stuck inside an Indian Restaurant? 

I think it was everything possible from the engine stopping, the batteries flat, the boat was the 'wrong blue', to painting over the windows with black bitumen …………….

No wonder she was christened 'mad max'.

 

Wonder if she is still stuck 'up Rochdale way'.

[BWM]

Whatever the response to questions either good or inane, I don't personally think that justifies resorting to calling members 'dicks or 'assh@les'. 

Edited June 2, 2018 by BWM

[reg]

43 minutes ago, BWM said:

Whatever the response to questions either good or inane, I don't personally think that justifies resorting to calling members 'dicks or 'assh@les'. 

To be honest if I had visited a new forum and received the same sort of welcome In the first few replies, not everybody by the way, I may of said something stronger. 

Tony put it best when he said, paraphrasing, that maybe the right things were being said but not necessarily in the right way. 

Anyway hope she's good, many useful pieces of info can be gained just by lurking particularly in the maintenance and equipment sections. 

Likewise many robust discussions also take place, once you understand the dynamics of the group its not to bad. 

 

Here is an example of us at our disfunctional  worst, and also functional best. Many many others

All balances out in the end

Edited June 2, 2018 by reg

[MtB]

If Mac10 finds it rough here, she should try thunderboat to get some perspective. 

[nicknorman]

2 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

If Mac10 finds it rough here, she should try thunderboat to get some perspective. 

We just had a new member on there, lots of fun and banter and no unpleasantness. I have just posted a lengthy and hopefully helpful tome in response to a question about mooring in Birmingham. So actually you are quite wrong which is not surprising since you have no idea what you are talking about. 

[MtB]

4 minutes ago, nicknorman said:

We just had a new member on there, lots of fun and banter and no unpleasantness. I have just posted a lengthy and hopefully helpful tome in response to a question about mooring in Birmingham. So actually you are quite wrong which is not surprising since you have no idea what you are talking about. 

 

Lol, a friendly thread so you feel it worth commenting on!

 

Is there or is there not a thread titled "Mike the boilerman is a prick", as a poster here pointed out? 

 

You're right though, I don't go there. But knowing who are members there, I don't want to.

 

[nicknorman]

2 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

Lol, a friendly thread so you feel it worth commenting on!

 

Is there or is there not a thread titled "Mike the boilerman is a prick", as a poster here pointed out? 

 

You're right though, I don't go there. But knowing who are members there, I don't want to.

 

No, just an interesting contrast between the new member thread on here, and the one on TB. One of the differences is that on TB we don’t take ourselves too seriously!

[MtB]

2 minutes ago, nicknorman said:

One of the differences is that on TB we don’t take ourselves too seriously!

 

You must be kidding, Shirley!! 

 

The whole reason TB was set up was because a handful of members here felt themselves too important to comply with the posting guidelines here.