Jrtm Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 hi guys I'm sure someone will know but is there an easy way to stop 8mm 3 strand rope untwisting while trying to back splice and eye splice the ends? I'm in the process of replacing all my cloth ropes as there pretty much had it there all starting to split as degrade so have got some 8mm twisted cotton rope if it's anything like me 20mm middle lines its going to try and untwist while doing the eyes and ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) Piece of cotton. Cable tie. wipping twine. Shoe lace. Edited May 22, 2018 by rusty69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB Esk Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 I just use ordinary insulation tape as a temporary whipping, seems to work fine.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmr Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 or even masking tape......works very well .............Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB Esk Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 15 minutes ago, dmr said: or even masking tape......works very well .............Dave It does but the handy thing with insulation tape is, if a novice, three different colours of tape helps to keep the tails in sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted May 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 dont think I made it clear. lol i always insulate the ends and give it a tail but the rope is inclined to untwist between the insulation and the main rope. the 3 indervidual strands try to untwist giving me lots of indervidual bits of cotton but still twisted at the end where its insulated) hope this makes more sence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, billybobbooth said: dont think I made it clear. lol i always insulate the ends and give it a tail but the rope is inclined to untwist between the insulation and the main rope. the 3 indervidual strands try to untwist giving me lots of indervidual bits of cotton but still twisted at the end where its insulated) hope this makes more sence If I’ve understood you correctly I found that I had to twist each tail ‘tighter’ as I passed it through the splice, and keep doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted May 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, WotEver said: If I’ve understood you correctly I found that I had to twist each tail ‘tighter’ as I passed it through the splice, and keep doing that. yes this was what I was trying to avoid as its a pain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmr Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 19 minutes ago, NB Esk said: It does but the handy thing with insulation tape is, if a novice, three different colours of tape helps to keep the tails in sequence. Ah yes, three phase splicing ???? ...............Dave 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, billybobbooth said: yes this was what I was trying to avoid as its a pain! Yes it is, and it makes your fingers ache. Well, it did mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howardang Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 hour ago, billybobbooth said: hi guys I'm sure someone will know but is there an easy way to stop 8mm 3 strand rope untwisting while trying to back splice and eye splice the ends? I'm in the process of replacing all my cloth ropes as there pretty much had it there all starting to split as degrade so have got some 8mm twisted cotton rope if it's anything like me 20mm middle lines its going to try and untwist while doing the eyes and ends. Learn how to do a common whipping and/or learn how to tie a constrictor knot. Both very useful. You can also save time, and some small amount of rope by not back splicing. Learn how to whip the end instead. In my view back splices are the work of the devil!!!!!? Howard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted May 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, howardang said: Learn how to do a common whipping and/or learn how to tie a constrictor knot. Both very useful. You can also save time, and some small amount of rope by not back splicing. Learn how to whip the end instead. In my view back splices are the work of the devil!!!!!? Howard i have to splice it as ive got to at least put in an eye splice. with my cheating system for the clothes ill need to eye splice both ends. as i cant be assed with forever adjusting my rope im going to be using 2 strong springs on each string to keep the tension + it saves me alot of time every time I want to get inside the hold which i do on nearly a weekly basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 hour ago, dmr said: Ah yes, three phase splicing ???? Ah but is it star or delta splicing then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koukouvagia Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) I used to use cotton rope but found that it didn't wear very well. I used to back-splice all the ends, but these were just a bit too fat to go through the eyelets easily. I've since gone over to synthetic cotton rope which is pretty well indistinguisable from the geniune article. It has the great advantage of your being able to seal it with heat, making a very neat, unfrayable end. (I simply wrap a piece of masking tape round the end of the rope and light it with a match. The masking tape prevents the rope from discolouring and the flame seals the rope). When it comes to keeping the rope in pristine condition, I dunk it each year in very diluted white emulsion paint. It comes up like new. Note this synthetic cotton rope is not the same as the horrible shiny white propylene stuff. https://www.cheaprope.co.uk/synthetic-cotton-rope-p-797.html Here's an example of some ropework I did recently for the ellum. You can just see the sealed end on one of the knots. Edited May 23, 2018 by koukouvagia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted May 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 thanks ill keep it in mind if my cotton work goes wrong. as i have to try and make 40 might be worth a look as im making 2 sets 1 best and 1 every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 hours ago, koukouvagia said: I used to use cotton rope but found that it didn't wear very well. I used to back-splice all the ends, but these were just a bit too fat to go through the eyelets easily. I've since gone over to synthetic cotton rope which is pretty well indistinguisable from the geniune article. It has the great advantage of your being able to seal it with heat, making a very neat, unfrayable end. (I simply wrap a piece of masking tape round the end of the rope and light it with a match. The masking tape prevents the rope from discolouring and the flame seals the rope). When it comes to keeping the rope in pristine condition, I dunk it each year in very diluted white emulsion paint. It comes up like new. Note this synthetic cotton rope is not the same as the horrible shiny white propylene stuff. https://www.cheaprope.co.uk/synthetic-cotton-rope-p-797.html Here's an example of some ropework I did recently for the ellum. You can just see the sealed end on one of the knots. For a neat finish, whilst hot drop it on the path and roll ithe end under your shoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 17 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Ah but is it star or delta splicing then? Delta, otherwise there would be a neutral and thus four strands to splice ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 21 hours ago, howardang said: Learn how to do a common whipping and/or learn how to tie a constrictor knot. Both very useful. You can also save time, and some small amount of rope by not back splicing. Learn how to whip the end instead. In my view back splices are the work of the devil!!!!!? Howard The weighted ball on the end of a heaving line is called a "monkey's fist". A deck store keeper that I sailed with called a backsplice a "dog's cock". one of the problems with the DC is that it thickens the end of the rope so you can't pass it through a pulley block. Use a west country whipping. It's really secure. N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aground Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 I seem to recall that Ashley actually recommends that the strands are untwisted so that they lie flatter and create a smaller increase in the diameter of the finished splice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted May 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 yes it did try flat but it looked terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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