Hudds Lad Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said: They agreed it. I would say its quite sensible having a wide an entrance as possible especially on a narrow canal. Have you ever examined marina entrances, lots of people have problems getting through them. i see what you're saying, and have struggled in high wind to leave a marina with a narrow entrance in the direction i wanted as i just could not angle the boat to take account of conditions. i've also seen the state of the opposite bank outside Great Haywood Marina (and added to the scars myself after stopping for a pumpout). that said, admittedly in my limited experience of the system, i've not seen a marina on any other narrow canal with a wide entrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hudds Lad said: that said, admittedly in my limited experience of the system, i've not seen a marina on any other narrow canal with a wide entrance. Maybe one with foresight, did they expect to get widebeam customers up there? I know once you have one others will follow but there are two widebeams where I am on the Coventry canal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangar Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 18 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said: They agreed it. I would say its quite sensible having a wide an entrance as possible especially on a narrow canal. Have you ever examined marina entrances, lots of people have problems getting through them. Yes Im not sure CRT thought that anyone would be daft enough to put a widebeam on a narrow waterway....and the "wide" entrance makes for an easy passage for suitable sized boats. From what I can see rather than planned wide berths they just take up 2 narrow beam berths....I really dont have an issue with them in a marina...its just if they venture out...especially given the bridge profiles and positioning on the waterway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon johan Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, ditchcrawler said: Maybe one with foresight, did they expect to get widebeam customers up there? I know once you have one others will follow but there are two widebeams where I am on the Coventry canal It was not so much “expect” to get wide beams, it was presented in their initial planning stages to provide berths for them. I was made aware of that by a friend who had pre booked a berth for his wide beam prior to the marina being completed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudds Lad Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said: Maybe one with foresight, did they expect to get widebeam customers up there? I know once you have one others will follow but there are two widebeams where I am on the Coventry canal looking at my Dunchurch literature there's no mention of beam at all, the only use of the word "wide" is in relation to the jetties Quote Wide full length fixed jetties in two sizes, 18m (59ft) and 22m (72ft) the mooring plan shows only narrow craft. i do like the wide entrance though especially as its a very windy marina, also feels huge after Overwater and some of the bridge holes on the Shroppie and surrounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said: In an ideal world yes, but, practically I doubt that very many have even read the Inland waterways requirements (bylaws) and not only do not know the 'passing laws' but have no idea about the required sound signals, or lighting requirements which are also specified in the Bylaws. At the end of the day, it'll only matter when there is an accident. Travelling at 2-3mph on still water does not take a lot of concentration, and is not overly 'risky', hence the very small number of accidents. To my mind it does take a little more concentration and an understanding of the hydrodynamic effects on boats when passing and overtaking on a shallow canal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 38 minutes ago, frangar said: Yes Im not sure CRT thought that anyone would be daft enough to put a widebeam on a narrow waterway....and the "wide" entrance makes for an easy passage for suitable sized boats. From what I can see rather than planned wide berths they just take up 2 narrow beam berths....I really dont have an issue with them in a marina...its just if they venture out...especially given the bridge profiles and positioning on the waterway. There has been a wide beam going up and down the N Oxford for years, a rather strange shaped craft, I am shure BW and then C&RT must have noticed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said: There has been a wide beam going up and down the N Oxford for years, a rather strange shaped craft, I am shure BW and then C&RT must have noticed it This boat was built for its original owner at Warwickshire Fly Boat Co. I believe it is styled on a South Sea Island Outrigger, the original intention was to float it along the GU and hence to the coast to have a mast, sails and outrigger fitted. This never happened and the boat was sold on. Edited February 18, 2021 by Ray T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirweste Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said: In an ideal world yes, but, practically I doubt that very many have even read the Inland waterways requirements (bylaws) and not only do not know the 'passing laws' but have no idea about the required sound signals, or lighting requirements which are also specified in the Bylaws. At the end of the day, it'll only matter when there is an accident. Travelling at 2-3mph on still water does not take a lot of concentration, and is not overly 'risky', hence the very small number of accidents. OK grand, ta. So the theory is then, that by the laws we should be moving to the right to pass, then you add on the colregs and realise, should there be some reason boats cannot pass without one giving way, then the deeper draft boat has right of way (due to it's restricted movement), then next in the pecking order is the larger vessel. All common sense really, the smaller you are the easier you can yield. This is why if I see a breasted pair (e.g. Juels) coming though I yield to them, deep draft and max dimensions. The same should really be applied to a 14' 70' beastie too. So this is then correct(?): if you're a narrowboat then you should be giving way to a laden working boat / breasted pair / widebeam where there isn't space for both vessels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, sirweste said: So this is then correct(?): if you're a narrowboat then you should be giving way to a laden working boat / breasted pair / widebeam where there isn't space for both vessels. I would concur with your conclusion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davis Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, frangar said: Struggling in what way?? You seem to have run out of anything worthwhile to add to this conversation.... He's another troll, as his past postings confirm. Stop feeding him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 50 minutes ago, sirweste said: So this is then correct(?): if you're a narrowboat then you should be giving way to a laden working boat / breasted pair / widebeam where there isn't space for both vessels. I happily give way to any other boat, its often easier, quicker and more pleasant than trying to prove you have right of way. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 22 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said: I happily give way to any other boat, its often easier, quicker and more pleasant than trying to prove you have right of way. Not much fun hoping that the Coroner says "he was in the right". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterboat Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Graham Davis said: But you're not ploughing the mud of the Oxford Canal, Peter. Wouldn't dream of going there Graham, even the GU has no attention for me, the issue is that good boats swim well poor boats don't and size doesn't cause that its design. Edited February 18, 2021 by peterboat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Ray T said: This boat was built for its original owner at Warwickshire Fly Boat Co. I believe it is styled on a South Sea Island Outrigger, the original intention was to float it along the GU and hence to the coast to have a mast, sails and outrigger fitted. This never happened and the boat was sold on. Not quite Ray, we would never have built something so.........err, distinctive. The boat first appeared tied up on the offside near Nelson Lane bridge in Warwick. It was subsequently moved to WFBCo and the bulbous bits added to create more internal space so the owner could live on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Todd Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, ditchcrawler said: I happily give way to any other boat, its often easier, quicker and more pleasant than trying to prove you have right of way. Almost always on approaching a bridge hole with an oncoming boat, even if closer than a 50-50 situation, I will give way. I take the view (arrogantly?) that I will probably stop sooner than they will and, in any case, why hurry? Just the place to win a brownie point or two! Certainly better than having head-on collision. Only once did have someone who not only failed to slowdown but came through as fast as possible and ran into us as he could not control his boat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 I am surprised that CRT has not included the Leicester Line summit in this directive Similar problems up there now Borth Kilworth marina has opened, at least 5 widebeams in there last year, with an even shallower, more reedy, overgrown and narrower canal to block up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 Patience. They have a new logo to design for the no entry to oversize things sign. They dont know about Foxton and watford being narrow. After all the inclined plane has double size caissons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, davidg said: Not quite Ray, we would never have built something so.........err, distinctive. The boat first appeared tied up on the offside near Nelson Lane bridge in Warwick. It was subsequently moved to WFBCo and the bulbous bits added to create more internal space so the owner could live on it. @davidg Thank you for the update, always willing to learn. Edited February 18, 2021 by Ray T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangar Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 33 minutes ago, matty40s said: I am surprised that CRT has not included the Leicester Line summit in this directive Similar problems up there now Borth Kilworth marina has opened, at least 5 widebeams in there last year, with an even shallower, more reedy, overgrown and narrower canal to block up. The Boats at South Kilworth have been told they aren't allowed onto the summit pound....and to be fair they dont seem to escape. I believe the other waterways like the Leics arm to welford & the South oxford to napton are being dealt with although I too cant understand why it isn't being done as one....I believe for some reason CRT got flack from Widebeam owners which might say more about the owners than CRT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWM Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, peterboat said: Wouldn't dream of going there Graham, even the GU has no attention for me, the issue is that good boats swim well poor boats don't and size doesn't cause that its design. The most excellent hull design counts for very little when a large build up of silt and a narrow channel is thrown into the mix. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, roland elsdon said: Patience. They have a new logo to design for the no entry to oversize things sign. They dont know about Foxton and watford being narrow. After all the inclined plane has double size caissons. Where is Stotty when you want him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 Its not a new thing wide beams in Braunston ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 Latest marvelous 68ft x 12ft design imported from Poland, it has to go through either Braunston or Blisworth tunnel as well as lots of lovely historic bridges to get anywhere, wheel steering, glad it's not going to be me ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangar Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 50 minutes ago, matty40s said: Latest marvelous 68ft x 12ft design imported from Poland, it has to go through either Braunston or Blisworth tunnel as well as lots of lovely historic bridges to get anywhere, wheel steering, glad it's not going to be me ? Do we know if it’s going to be a moving target or is going to lurk in a marina to leap out on the unwary?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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