ditchcrawler Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, dmr said: So here is one moored/dumped on the water point at Kintbury K&A. Note the long front mooring rope making is also difficult to get on to the adjacent pump-out mooring. Luckily I have a very long hose. Its interesting that there is a post marking the end of the 48 hour moorings but nothing indicating not to moor on the water point. This boat is just clear of the 48 hours so is 100% on the unsigned water tap mooring so I reckon he believes he has found himself a clever 14 day mooring and the tap is just an ornament. There are boaters There are those who go boating and there are those who live on widebeams. ...........Dave And its probably something that BW/CRT never considered would happen so no penalty for doing it or even any action they could take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 25 minutes ago, dmr said: So here is one moored/dumped on the water point at Kintbury K&A. Note the long front mooring rope making is also difficult to get on to the adjacent pump-out mooring. Luckily I have a very long hose. Its interesting that there is a post marking the end of the 48 hour moorings but nothing indicating not to moor on the water point. This boat is just clear of the 48 hours so is 100% on the unsigned water tap mooring so I reckon he believes he has found himself a clever 14 day mooring and the tap is just an ornament. There are boaters There are those who go boating and there are those who live on widebeams. ...........Dave Sure what we need here is MORE SIGNS!!! "Max 1 Hour on Services Mooring" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 Is that why I saw an all-black boat on one recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmr Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Sure what we need here is MORE SIGNS!!! "Max 1 Hour on Services Mooring" With our big water tank 1 hour is rather inadequate, but maybe "For water point and elsan only, services do not include shopping, boat washing or boat refits" Though at Hungerford you can do two trips to Tesco in the time it takes to fill the tank. ............Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, Athy said: Is that why I saw an all-black boat on one recently? Getting ready for the World Cup in Japan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scholar Gypsy Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 Some advice from wide beam owners, in latest CRT newsletter .... https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjoy-the-waterways/boating/boating-blogs-and-features/the-boaters-update/boaters-update-20-sep-2019#wide_beam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, dmr said: There are boaters There are those who go boating and there are those who live on widebeams. ...........Dave And then there are those who live on widebeams who do go boating, and those who live on narrowboats who don't. ? Edited September 20, 2019 by blackrose 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergyguy Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 Well said that man lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 3 hours ago, dmr said: So here is one moored/dumped on the water point at Kintbury K&A. Note the long front mooring rope making is also difficult to get on to the adjacent pump-out mooring. Luckily I have a very long hose. Its interesting that there is a post marking the end of the 48 hour moorings but nothing indicating not to moor on the water point. This boat is just clear of the 48 hours so is 100% on the unsigned water tap mooring so I reckon he believes he has found himself a clever 14 day mooring and the tap is just an ornament. There are boaters There are those who go boating and there are those who live on widebeams. ...........Dave In fairness, I have to say that in my thirty years I have come across many, many narrowboats abandoned in similar locations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: In fairness, I have to say that in my thirty years I have come across many, many narrowboats abandoned in similar locations. Yes but widebeams only comprise 1% of the boating population yet manage to cause 50% of the obstructions. And that boat is still there now, with its hose on the tap but turned OFF. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: And that boat is still there now, with its hose on the tap but turned OFF. I have knocked on a boat and said "excuse me, someone turned the tap off so I put it back on for you" 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 26 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Yes but widebeams only comprise 1% of the boating population yet manage to cause 50% of the obstructions. And that boat is still there now, with its hose on the tap but turned OFF. I must dispute those numbers old chap. I reckon there are more boats of a sensible beam in the UK than narrowboats and vastly more worldwide. The narrowboat is the daft misnomer innitt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said: I have knocked on a boat and said "excuse me, someone turned the tap off so I put it back on for you" Naughty, but I have done it too ? haggis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 Just now, mrsmelly said: I must dispute those numbers old chap. I reckon there are more boats of a sensible beam in the UK than narrowboats and vastly more worldwide. The narrowboat is the daft misnomer innitt. Wot, in the UK canals? I saw a widebeam in the Oxford a few years back at Enslow. Put in on the slipway at Kingsground. God nose why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Wot, in the UK canals? I saw a widebeam in the Oxford a few years back at Enslow. Put in on the slipway at Kingsground. God nose why. I reckon there are plenty of bigger stuff if you go on the bigger waterways, add in the coastal stuff and the nb is outnumbered. I am in total agreement that too many wazzocks put them in entirely the wrong locations though. The north Oxford being a prime example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Scholar Gypsy said: Some advice from wide beam owners, in latest CRT newsletter .... https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjoy-the-waterways/boating/boating-blogs-and-features/the-boaters-update/boaters-update-20-sep-2019#wide_beam Yes I read that And the best bit bit of advice was edited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: add in the coastal stuff and the nb is outnumbered Check the title of this forum, I reckon you've bin knocking back the good stuff again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Yes but widebeams only comprise 1% of the boating population yet manage to cause 50% of the obstructions. Really? I very much doubt it. Not sure where you're getting any of your figures from? Edited September 21, 2019 by blackrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 1 hour ago, blackrose said: Really? I very much doubt it. Not sure where you're getting any of your figures from? I'm estimating them from personal experience. Can you quote the source you are using to suggest I am wrong? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: I'm estimating them from personal experience. Can you quote the source you are using to suggest I am wrong? His own personal experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Athy said: His own personal experience? I was poking fun at the propensity some here have for demanding hard evidence to back up casual, personal impressions. 'Tis my impression as a boater that widebeams cause as many, or more, obstructions than narrow boats, and now BR wants me to produce stats to prove it! FFS Edited September 21, 2019 by Mike the Boilerman 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Rose Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) On 11/09/2019 at 23:06, johnmck said: Since we last saw this behemoth ten days or so ago , just onto the South Oxford, it has reversed and is now heading towards Braunston. The canal is wider, but it still illustrates just how unsuitable these craft are for most British canals, even those deigned to be wide. Progress update for the one at Bridge 104 and pointing towards Braunston 10 days ago. At 12.45 pm today, 21/9/19, we came around the bend just before bridge 102 heading from Braunston to Napton. The boat we were following had just pulled over to the side, which I then also did, as did the two boats behind me (it's been busy here this morning!). The reason was a widebeam was just about to come through the bridge going in the Braunston direction. My first thought was concern that it might get stuck as, from a distance, it looked tight. I then thought I'm going to be waiting a while for it, and the boats queuing behind it, to come through and past the narrow boat moored about, I guess, 100 foot from the bridge, Braunston side. But no! Immediately after getting through the bridge, bow-hauled, it then pulled over and moored at the very start of the Armco despite the fact that there was probably another 50 to 60 foot of Armco to the moored narrow boat. I heard, 2nd hand, that it has "lost its rudder". Even if that is true (I have no reason to doubt it) it doesn't excuse mooring it up immediately after the bridge and not another 50 or 60 foot along. It's very busy along here today, being a warm sunny Saturday, and there will no doubt be quite a few hire boats (Napton, Black Prince, Calcutt, Union Canal Carriers) going through that bridge this afternoon. Narrow stretch of canal either side of the bridge for some distance plus quite a breeze (making hovering a challenge) plus said widebeam right by the bridge should make for some fun there this afternoon, assuming it wasn't just a very brief stop. Here's a photo, although it probably doesn't really do it justice. My excuse is that I was a bit busy steering at the time! Oh yes, there were another 3 boats approaching the bridge from the Napton direction when I came through plus numerous others heading that way during our next half mile or so. Edited September 21, 2019 by Lily Rose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackrose Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Athy said: His own personal experience? Yes, we can all do that if we're just plucking figures out of the air. 7 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said: I was poking fun at the propensity some here have for demanding hard evidence to back up casual, personal impressions. 'Tis my impression as a boater that widebeams cause as many, or more, obstructions than narrow boats, and now BR wants me to produce stats to prove it! FFS And I was poking fun at the propensity some here have for making casual assertions quoting statistics, which are in fact based on nothing more than vague feelings or perceptions. Also I didn't actually ask you to produce any stats or hard evidence, I just asked where where you were getting your figures from. Perhaps you need to go to Specsavers. Anyway now MtB is asking me to quote a source to disprove his nonsense! ? FFS Edited September 21, 2019 by blackrose 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysander Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, Lily Rose said: Progress update for the one at Bridge 104 and pointing towards Braunston 10 days ago. At 12.45 pm today, 21/9/19, we came around the bend just before bridge 102 heading from Braunston to Napton. The boat we were following had just pulled over to the side, which I then also did, as did the two boats behind me (it's been busy here this morning!). The reason was a widebeam was just about to come through the bridge going in the Braunston direction. My first thought was concern that it might get stuck as, from a distance, it looked tight. I then thought I'm going to be waiting a while for it, and the boats queuing behind it, to come through and past the narrow boat moored about, I guess, 100 foot from the bridge, Braunston side. But no! Immediately after getting through the bridge, bow-hauled, it then pulled over and moored at the very start of the Armco despite the fact that there was probably another 50 to 60 foot of Armco to the moored narrow boat. I heard, 2nd hand, that it has "lost its rudder". Even if that is true (I have no reason to doubt it) it doesn't excuse mooring it up immediately after the bridge and not another 50 or 60 foot along. It's very busy along here today, being a warm sunny Saturday, and there will no doubt be quite a few hire boats (Napton, Black Prince, Calcutt, Union Canal Carriers) going through that bridge this afternoon. Narrow stretch of canal either side of the bridge for some distance plus quite a breeze (making hovering a challenge) plus said widebeam right by the bridge should make for some fun there this afternoon, assuming it wasn't just a very brief stop. Here's a photo, although it probably doesn't really do it justice. My excuse is that I was a bit busy steering at the time! Oh yes, there were another 3 boats approaching the bridge from the Napton direction when I came through plus numerous others heading that way during our next half mile or so. Uh-oh - family heading that way today on Lysander. Have passed on the warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 19 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Yes but widebeams only comprise 1% of the boating population yet manage to cause 50% of the obstructions. And that boat is still there now, with its hose on the tap but turned OFF. 7 hours ago, blackrose said: Really? I very much doubt it. Not sure where you're getting any of your figures from? 5 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said: I'm estimating them from personal experience. Can you quote the source you are using to suggest I am wrong? You are not even in the right ball park Mike (Boilerman Mike, not the othr one!) From an answer to an FOI request..... Quote Further to your request of 4^th January and subsequent clarification of both 6^th and 8^th January, please see the information you have requested below. o 18,888 Boats Listed as craft type “Narrowboat” currently licensed o 1315 Boats listed as Widebeam o 8054 Boats with a beam equal to or over 2.10m (not necessarily listed as widebeam but could be) I don't know why the total of all those numbers are so low, but whatever the anomalies, it is obvious that probably at least 10% of boats on CRT waters class as wide beams, and probably a lot more than that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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