Help save our mooring !

[Barge Maria]

Dunno, I only heard about it through the disparaging, and divisive, commentsin this thread.

 

I have saved and passed on similar hulls in the past, as well as wooden narrow boats.

I know a number of people who would have gladly spent time and money on a hull such as this.

 

Just because it's not your thing doesn't make it worthless.

 

If everybody had that attitude then president would be coke cans, cutty sark would be shovelled into a skip and we'd all be driving round in 2 year old Vectras.

I understand why people get pi--ed off with this forum. You presume that I have no interest, and yet you know nothing about me. I've worked for years on classic cars and have saved more than a few from the scrapyard. My point is that there ARE many vessels out there that need to be removed as they are, frankly, wrecks. Perhaps this one wasn't, but no-one saved it and it is, ergo, a wreck now! People who want yto save older vessels - such as yopurself - will do so, and more power to your arm, but it's no good that the overall tone of this forum is that of pontificating that everyone should do so, as some people DO want a new shiny boat (mine isn't btw) so more power to them as well. We can't all be the same, but just because you've been around in canal circles for years doesn't set you above others who haven't. Life ain't like that old son.

 

Rant over

[carlt]

I understand why people get pi--ed off with this forum. You presume that I have no interest, and yet you know nothing about me. I've worked for years on classic cars and have saved more than a few from the scrapyard. My point is that there ARE many vessels out there that need to be removed as they are, frankly, wrecks. Perhaps this one wasn't, but no-one saved it and it is, ergo, a wreck now! People who want yto save older vessels - such as yopurself - will do so, and more power to your arm, but it's no good that the overall tone of this forum is that of pontificating that everyone should do so, as some people DO want a new shiny boat (mine isn't btw) so more power to them as well. We can't all be the same, but just because you've been around in canal circles for years doesn't set you above others who haven't. Life ain't like that old son.

 

Rant over

I'm not setting myself above anybody. I'm not suggesting that people should be expected to save classic boats, cars or anything. I'm quite happy to share the canals with any kind of boat whatsoever and make no judgements about them whether they are in a boat like mine or a £100k washer josher. I didn't start the pontificating or judgemental tone, I reacted to it.

 

I signed the petition 1 minute after this thread was first posted.

 

The point I was trying to make was that if you make judgements about other people, boats or anything then this is divisive and just the sort of thing BW want.

[Machpoint005]

I understand why people get pi--ed off with this forum. You presume that I have no interest, and yet you know nothing about me. I've worked for years on classic cars and have saved more than a few from the scrapyard. My point is that there ARE many vessels out there that need to be removed as they are, frankly, wrecks. Perhaps this one wasn't, but no-one saved it and it is, ergo, a wreck now! People who want yto save older vessels - such as yopurself - will do so, and more power to your arm, but it's no good that the overall tone of this forum is that of pontificating that everyone should do so, as some people DO want a new shiny boat (mine isn't btw) so more power to them as well. We can't all be the same, but just because you've been around in canal circles for years doesn't set you above others who haven't. Life ain't like that old son.

 

Rant over

 

Err... I thought this thread was about linear moorings?

 

 

Ian

[carlt]

Err... I thought this thread was about linear moorings?

 

 

Ian

Thing is, Ian, it was the person who started the thread who went off topic.

[LisaG1]

Thank you Ian, I agree.

 

Can we get back onto the subject of our thread which is about online moorings and nothing to do with historic boats being saved etc.

 

No actually He was making a point of why should we be evicted off our moorings when you have unlicenced boats or unsightly boats who will moor in our space if BW get their way.

 

Now Peeps take your discussion to another topic please.

 

Lisa

Edited July 20, 2007 by LisaG1

[carlt]

 

Sawley cut moorings

 

So Bw think our boats moored online (the left bank) are a problem to navigation ?

What do you think ? if you think they are as mad as we do make sure you have signed our petition !

 

I suppose when we have gone there will be plenty of room for those unlicensed boats which Bw seem

to prefer to be moored on our waterways

 

 

Unofficial moorings on the Beeston canal

 

Bw seem fine with them ?

 

 

This boat was seized by Bw from an illegal mooring

 

They moored it at Sawley back water and left it there till it sank and polluted the river

it stayed in its sunken state for months

 

save our mooring

And I maintain: The originator of the thread raised the point. My response was not off topic because your campaign can only be damaged by divisive posts like this.

[denboy]

I think the point lisa is trying to get across is that the moored boats at sawley and beeston are paying thear way and are an easy target for BW to enforce their "laws" were as the boats in the pic which i know havent got any sort of permit or lic to moor were they are they are not being evicted as for the sunk boat that boat has not had any sort of lic for years

[norman18grp]

Thing is, Ian, it was the person who started the thread who went off topic.

I know what I was saying Carl

 

But who said

It's difficult to tell but the boat in the picture looks like a 1930's Silver, a particularly fine and restorable hull. Destroying this boat didn't punish the person who abandoned it, just deprived the waterways of another potentially beautiful historic boat.

 

I think this is where things went off topic

 

Was the sunken boat in question not on linear moorings ?

 

Was the boat an eyesore ?

 

Was the boat bringing the quality of our moorings down ?

 

Would you not think that people who complain about online moorers are more likely to complain about boats like that or those on the Beeston canal near Thane Rd or on the Nottingham canal outside Sainsburys ?

 

I'm sure you have such boats in your part of the world !

 

Do you think the average Hire boater can tell the difference between unofficial and official online moorers ?

I don't ! I wonder how many return to their bases and complain about online moorings ?

We all get tarnished by the same brush !!!

I'm sure the Hire companies pass their complaints on to Bw .

Money talks and large commercial operations carry alot of weight with Bw !

 

So I think my comments are completely on topic , anything that brings online moorings into disrepute affects our cause !

 

Oh and by the way my name is Simon you'll find my name at the bottom of my posts

[Neil.A]

I know what I was saying Carl

 

But who said

 

I think this is where things went off topic

 

Was the sunken boat in question not on linear moorings ?

 

Was the boat an eyesore ?

 

Was the boat bringing the quality of our moorings down ?

 

Would you not think that people who complain about online moorers are more likely to complain about boats like that or those on the Beeston canal near Thane Rd or on the Nottingham canal outside Sainsburys ?

 

I'm sure you have such boats in your part of the world !

 

Do you think the average Hire boater can tell the difference between unofficial and official online moorers ?

I don't ! I wonder how many return to their bases and complain about online moorings ?

We all get tarnished by the same brush !!!

I'm sure the Hire companies pass their complaints on to Bw .

Money talks and large commercial operations carry alot of weight with Bw !

 

So I think my comments are completely on topic , anything that brings online moorings into disrepute affects our cause !

 

Oh and by the way my name is Simon you'll find my name at the bottom of my posts

Ouch.

[denboy]

Dunno, I only heard about it through the disparaging, and divisive, commentsin this thread.

 

I have saved and passed on similar hulls in the past, as well as wooden narrow boats.

I know a number of people who would have gladly spent time and money on a hull such as this.

 

Just because it's not your thing doesn't make it worthless.

 

If everybody had that attitude then president would be coke cans, cutty sark would be shovelled into a skip and we'd all be driving round in 2 year old Vectras.

 

 

Its still there Carl i am sure that if you contacted BW and offered to pay the 6/7 years back dated lic and mooring fees on this craft they would gladly let you have it

 

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SawleyCutMooring

[carlt]

I know what I was saying Carl

 

But who said

 

I think this is where things went off topic

 

Was the sunken boat in question not on linear moorings ?

 

Don't know, but I'll take your word for it.

 

Was the boat an eyesore ?

 

Depends on your perspective. I'd be intrigued and interested in it's history.

 

Was the boat bringing the quality of our moorings down ?

 

In my opinion it was adding an item of interest.

 

Would you not think that people who complain about online moorers are more likely to complain about boats like that or those on the Beeston canal near Thane Rd or on the Nottingham canal outside Sainsburys ?

 

Are you suggesting a common enemy?

 

I'm sure you have such boats in your part of the world !

 

Yep. Got two myself thanks. And I love them.

 

Do you think the average Hire boater can tell the difference between unofficial and official online moorers ?

 

Nope, me neither and I'm not qualified to judge.

 

I don't ! I wonder how many return to their bases and complain about online moorings ?

We all get tarnished by the same brush !!!

I'm sure the Hire companies pass their complaints on to Bw .

Money talks and large commercial operations carry alot of weight with Bw !

 

There you go again with that common enemy.

 

So I think my comments are completely on topic , anything that brings online moorings into disrepute affects our cause !

 

I think I was also entitled to find your disparaging comments worthy of a response.

 

Oh and by the way my name is Simon you'll find my name at the bottom of my posts

 

Hello Simon.

 

If BW win this fight, liveaboards who cannot find alternative moorings and, owing to work/school commitments, are unable to move away to find suitable moorings and are unable, financially or otherwise to find accommodation off the river will be forced to bridge hop and break the rules until an appropriate mooring is found.

 

Not judging anyone by the state of their boat, position of their mooring (as long as it's safe and not inconveniencing others) or how long they've been motionless, I won't be twitching the nets, sniffily saying "how many weeks has that been there!" but there are plenty who will .

 

I don't know the personal circumstances of the overstayers in your area, nor am I interested, nor is it any of my business but, if some of the people in your campaign are forced to join them, will you be treating them differently because you know their story? Or will you be publishing photos of their boats and condemning them?

 

THERE BUT BY THE GRACE OF GOD (or whoever) GO I!

Edited July 21, 2007 by carlt

[norman18grp]

A Big Thank you to all 216 of you who have signed so far

 

* Christopher Kirk

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[LisaG1]

But we do need more support so please keep the signatures coming.

 

Lisa

[Neil.A]

But we do need more support so please keep the signatures coming.

 

Lisa

NO,no,no,no

Support the Beeston cut struggle.

[fuzzyduck]

No no no no !!!!11!!!one

 

support the Thurmaston lock Fight

[norman18grp]

support the Sawley/Beeston/Thurmaston Brotherhood

Edited July 22, 2007 by norman18grp

[Neil.A]

No no no no !!!!11!!!one

 

support the Thurmaston lock Fight

Seriously, I thought they were in the clear?

[fuzzyduck]

maybe they are, I've not paid attention.

[Neil.A]

maybe they are, I've not paid attention.

Can you find out for me?

Knowledge is power.

[fuzzyduck]

Will do

[LisaG1]

We'll support everybody that this effects. At the moment all we know of is Sawley, Beeston and Thurmaston. Let us know if you're being affected by this.

 

Lisa

[norman18grp]

220

[norman18grp]

224

 

Slow but sure .

 

Keep them coming !

 

It affects us all

[LisaG1]

Just had an e mail from Narrowboatworld.com, they have mentioned Sawley and Beeston moorings petitions.

 

When you sign the petition it will only be completed when you click the link via the e mail that will be sent to you. If the e mail does not arrive to you have a look in your spam/junk folder or try again.

 

We are trying to stop BW from taking all online moorings across the system so we do need your signatures please.

 

Lisa

 

[norman18grp]

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