Parahandy Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5625087/Company-director-56-crushed-death-half-ton-wooden-yacht.html This is a particularly sad story where a fellow Boater lost his life and it made me think of some of the " dodgy practices " I have witnessed over the years in Boatyards where Boaters are allowed to do their own Maintenance , lets face it few of us are Health and Safety Specialists and some Boatyards are simply content with placing a Disclaimer Notice on a wall in order to absolve themselves of Responsibility . My respects to the Bereaved Family but you get the feeling this Tragedy could easily have been avoided . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Bob Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 Sailing (or not sailing) lumpy water boats is more dangerous than NBs! Cant really tell from the pic but it must be a bilge keeler- no cradle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
system 4-50 Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) I'm guessing you're hitting return at the end of each line that you see as you type. This screws up the lines I see as I am using a different screen magnification to you. This bulltin board also has the nasty characteristic of inserting a massive skip to the next line on a "return". If you just keep typing when you come to the end of the line it should work better. As it stands reading your posts is hard work. Edited April 18, 2018 by system 4-50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Bob Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, system 4-50 said: I'm guessing you're hitting return at the end of each line that you see as you type. This screws up the lines I see as I am using a different screen magnification to you. This bulltin board also has the nasty characteristic of inserting a massive skip to the next line on a "return". If you just keep typing when you come to the end of the line it should work better. As it stands reading your posts is hard work. That's what I did as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
system 4-50 Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Dr Bob said: That's what I did as well Stop it! That's silly. (Other keyboards are available) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parahandy Posted April 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 Sorry Bob , IO hope this reads better for you as I am making a serious attempt as per your advice to find a solution to your problem . I am working off a MacBook Air and I must admit to being relatively ignorant about the issues you speak about . Phew! at last I have reached the end of the line as I was running out of things to say Any improvement for you Bob ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rasputin Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Dr Bob said: Sailing (or not sailing) lumpy water boats is more dangerous than NBs! Im not sure that is correct, I had some evidence that I used on this forum that said the inland waterway was more dangerous than coastal boating, per participant hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlt Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 Just now, rasputin said: Im not sure that is correct, I had some evidence that I used on this forum that said the inland waterway was more dangerous than coastal boating, per participant hour Whichever is true the fact remains that the most dangerous part of any voyage, inland or offshore, is the drive to the harbour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 1/2 ton boat? more like 5 ton. A proper boat yard would have insisted that they prop up and chock the boat securely on land. The club was probably DIY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlt Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) Also, whilst not for one moment questioning the Daily Mail's factual accuracy...The Westerly GK29 is not a wooden boat but is made from GRP. Edited April 18, 2018 by carlt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parahandy Posted April 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 I dont think you can question their accuracy over the fact that the guy is dead Carit but as you say factual accuracy can be a moveable feast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlt Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, bizzard said: 1/2 ton boat? more like 5 ton. A proper boat yard would have insisted that they prop up and chock the boat securely on land. The club was probably DIY. about 7.6 tons according to specs. The boat probably sat drying out on its fins safely for 30 years but I'd have still chocked it if going underneath. Edited April 18, 2018 by carlt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Bob Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Parahandy said: Sorry Bob , IO hope this reads better for you as I am making a serious attempt as per your advice to find a solution to your problem . I am working off a MacBook Air and I must admit to being relatively ignorant about the issues you speak about . Phew! at last I have reached the end of the line as I was running out of things to say Any improvement for you Bob ? Don't blame me. It was system 4-50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Lewis Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Parahandy said: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5625087/Company-director-56-crushed-death-half-ton-wooden-yacht.html This is a particularly sad story where a fellow Boater lost his life and it made me think of some of the " dodgy practices " I have witnessed over the years in Boatyards where Boaters are allowed to do their own Maintenance , lets face it few of us are Health and Safety Specialists and some Boatyards are simply content with placing a Disclaimer Notice on a wall in order to absolve themselves of Responsibility . My respects to the Bereaved Family but you get the feeling this Tragedy could easily have been avoided . A few years ago a boatyard was fined £50,000 after the death of a boater carrying out DIY work in a dry dock. Fines today for deaths at work are upwards of Two Million pounds, only last week a company was fined £850,000 after a worker fell off a ladder and damaged his knee! Edited April 18, 2018 by Tim Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 This is in boat building and Maintenance, which it broadly is about, but I wonder if we should have a "Quotes from the Daily Mail" section so we don't get the stuff they peddle mixed up with proper boat building and Maintenance topics? I don't read the Daily Mail and would prefer it to remain that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen-in-Wellies Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Sea Dog said: This is in boat building and Maintenance, which it broadly is about, but I wonder if we should have a "Quotes from the Daily Mail" section so we don't get the stuff they peddle mixed up with proper boat building and Maintenance topics? I don't read the Daily Mail and would prefer it to remain that way. Not forgetting the health risk from reading the Daily Heil. Each story you read from it shortens your life by thirty minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parahandy Posted April 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 16 hours ago, Sea Dog said: This is in boat building and Maintenance, which it broadly is about, but I wonder if we should have a "Quotes from the Daily Mail" section so we don't get the stuff they peddle mixed up with proper boat building and Maintenance topics? I don't read the Daily Mail and would prefer it to remain that way. All of these Newspapers cater for a Target Audience and the content reflects this , I believe this particular story was in a few Papers , its merely accidental that the link was to the Daily Mail . A Boater was killed and all you worry about is the title of the Newspaper the story was covered in ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Parahandy said: All of these Newspapers cater for a Target Audience and the content reflects this , I believe this particular story was in a few Papers , its merely accidental that the link was to the Daily Mail . A Boater was killed and all you worry about is the title of the Newspaper the story was covered in ? No, you misunderstand me. I worry about our forum being deluged by articles from the Daily Mail (or other poorly researched or sensationalising journalistic sources for that matter). Where this forum works best (for me at any rate) is where the information comes from members, either first hand or from reliable sources. The odd article being relayed here can be useful or interesting, but the source and content need consideration. You said yourself "these Newspapers cater for a Target Audience and the content reflects this". My view is that this forum isn't, and shouldn't become, the target audience by proxy. All that said, perhaps it's in the title. Your post was entitled "Health and Safety", which encourages many (me included) to read it. If the title gave a clue that it was going to be a gutter press article, perhaps it would target it's audience better. Hence my tongue in cheek request for a "Daily Mail" sub forum. Edited April 19, 2018 by Sea Dog Incomplete post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murflynn Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) Half ton yachts are a racing class, not a weight. it looks like a single keel yacht, not a bilge keeler. common practice is a few Acrow props with wooden wedges at ground level and against the hull; if not done carefully, and checked regularly there is a real risk of one prop getting loose and then the end result is inevitable. In the building industry H&S requires that scaffoldings should be tagged, a register kept, and should checked by a qualified person regularly; perhaps the same should apply to scaffold support systems such as this. Perhaps the checking should extend to ensuring the props are braced with horizontal tubes lengthways and athwartships, thus making a cradle. Edited April 19, 2018 by Murflynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parahandy Posted April 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 29 minutes ago, Sea Dog said: No, you misunderstand me. I worry about our forum being deluged by articles from the Daily Mail (or other poorly researched or sensationalising journalistic sources for that matter). Where this forum works best (for me at any rate) is where the information comes from members, either first hand or from reliable sources. The odd article being relayed here can be useful or interesting, but the source and content need consideration. You said yourself "these Newspapers cater for a Target Audience and the content reflects this". My view is that this forum isn't, and shouldn't become, the target audience by proxy. All that said, perhaps it's in the title. Your post was entitled "Health and Safety", which encourages many (me included) to read it. If the title gave a clue that it was going to be a gutter press article, perhaps it would target it's audience better. Hence my tongue in cheek request for a "Daily Mail" sub forum. Thanks absolutely no offence taken nor intended , I was going to put the Article in the Virtual Pub Section but for the fact that the Boater had died and I didn't want to trivialise that fact , I was also thinking of a particular Boat Yard in the South East where H&S is spartan to say the least . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, Parahandy said: Thanks absolutely no offence taken nor intended , I was going to put the Article in the Virtual Pub Section but for the fact that the Boater had died and I didn't want to trivialise that fact , I was also thinking of a particular Boat Yard in the South East where H&S is spartan to say the least . And it certainly was tragic, wasn't it. A reminder for yachties everywhere - there'll be many out there scraping and antifouling in similar locations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 I often scrape beneath the bilge keels on ours whilst its on the sand, in fact i did it yesterday. Theres always a thought that it may sink lower whilst I'm underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parahandy Posted April 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 You really worried me with that Post Rusty , please take proper care . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, rusty69 said: I often scrape beneath the bilge keels on ours whilst its on the sand, in fact i did it yesterday. Theres always a thought that it may sink lower whilst I'm underneath. That's far less of a problem Rusty. You'll squash into the sand, the tide will come in, the boat will float off on its own, and no-one will be any the wiser. Later, you will become a fossil and perhaps one day become a museum exhibit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Parahandy said: You really worried me with that Post Rusty , please take proper care . Its not as bad as it sounds, as the boat leans forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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