Health&Safety

[Parahandy]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5625087/Company-director-56-crushed-death-half-ton-wooden-yacht.html

This is a particularly sad story where a fellow Boater lost his life and it made me think of some of the " dodgy practices "

I have witnessed over the years in Boatyards where Boaters are allowed to do their own Maintenance , lets face it few of

us are Health and Safety Specialists and some Boatyards are simply content with placing a Disclaimer Notice on a wall in

order to absolve themselves of Responsibility . My respects to the Bereaved Family but you get the feeling this Tragedy

could easily have been avoided .

[Dr Bob]

Sailing (or not sailing) lumpy water boats is more dangerous than NBs!

Cant really tell from the pic but it must be a bilge keeler- no cradle! 

[system 4-50]

I'm guessing you're hitting return at the end of each line that you see as you type. This screws up the lines I see as I am using a different screen magnification to you.  This bulltin board also has the nasty characteristic of inserting a massive skip to the next line on a "return".  If you just keep typing when you come to the end of the line it should work better.  As it stands reading your posts is hard work.

Edited April 18, 2018 by system 4-50

[Dr Bob]

9 minutes ago, system 4-50 said:

I'm guessing you're hitting return at the end of each line that you see as you type. This screws up the lines I see as I am using a different screen magnification to you.  This bulltin board also has the nasty characteristic of inserting a massive skip to the next line on a "return".  If you just keep typing when you come to the end of the line it should work better.  As it stands reading your posts is hard work.

That's what I did as well

[system 4-50]

1 minute ago, Dr Bob said:

That's what I did as well

Stop it!

That's silly.

(Other keyboards are available)

[Parahandy]

Sorry Bob , IO hope this reads better for you as I am making a serious attempt as per your advice to find a solution to your problem . I am working off a MacBook Air and I must admit to being relatively ignorant about the issues you speak about . Phew! at last I have reached the end of the line as I was running out of things to say  Any improvement for you Bob ?

[rasputin]

2 hours ago, Dr Bob said:

Sailing (or not sailing) lumpy water boats is more dangerous than NBs!

 

Im not sure that is correct, I had some evidence that I used on this forum that said the inland waterway  was more dangerous than coastal boating, per participant hour

[carlt]

Just now, rasputin said:

Im not sure that is correct, I had some evidence that I used on this forum that said the inland waterway  was more dangerous than coastal boating, per participant hour

Whichever is true the fact remains that the most dangerous part of any voyage, inland or offshore, is the drive to the harbour.

[bizzard]

1/2 ton boat? more like 5 ton. A proper boat yard would have insisted that they prop up and chock the boat securely on land.  The club was probably DIY. 

[carlt]

Also, whilst not for one moment questioning the Daily Mail's factual accuracy...The Westerly GK29 is not a wooden boat but is made from GRP.

Edited April 18, 2018 by carlt

[Parahandy]

I dont think you can question their accuracy over the fact that the guy is dead Carit but as you say factual accuracy can be a moveable feast

[carlt]

26 minutes ago, bizzard said:

1/2 ton boat? more like 5 ton. A proper boat yard would have insisted that they prop up and chock the boat securely on land.  The club was probably DIY. 

about 7.6 tons according to specs.

The boat probably sat drying out on its fins safely for 30 years but I'd have still chocked it if going underneath.

Edited April 18, 2018 by carlt

[Dr Bob]

2 hours ago, Parahandy said:

Sorry Bob , IO hope this reads better for you as I am making a serious attempt as per your advice to find a solution to your problem . I am working off a MacBook Air and I must admit to being relatively ignorant about the issues you speak about . Phew! at last I have reached the end of the line as I was running out of things to say  Any improvement for you Bob ?

Don't blame me. It was system 4-50.

[Tim Lewis]

7 hours ago, Parahandy said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5625087/Company-director-56-crushed-death-half-ton-wooden-yacht.html

This is a particularly sad story where a fellow Boater lost his life and it made me think of some of the " dodgy practices "

I have witnessed over the years in Boatyards where Boaters are allowed to do their own Maintenance , lets face it few of

us are Health and Safety Specialists and some Boatyards are simply content with placing a Disclaimer Notice on a wall in

order to absolve themselves of Responsibility . My respects to the Bereaved Family but you get the feeling this Tragedy

could easily have been avoided .

A few years ago a boatyard was fined £50,000 after the death of a boater carrying out DIY work in a dry dock. Fines today for deaths at work are upwards of Two Million pounds, only last week a company was fined £850,000 after a worker fell off a ladder and damaged his knee!

 

Edited April 18, 2018 by Tim Lewis

[Sea Dog]

This is in boat building and Maintenance, which it broadly is about, but I wonder if we should have a "Quotes from the Daily Mail" section so we don't get the stuff they peddle mixed up with proper boat building and Maintenance topics? I don't read the Daily Mail and would prefer it to remain that way.

[Jen-in-Wellies]

6 hours ago, Sea Dog said:

This is in boat building and Maintenance, which it broadly is about, but I wonder if we should have a "Quotes from the Daily Mail" section so we don't get the stuff they peddle mixed up with proper boat building and Maintenance topics? I don't read the Daily Mail and would prefer it to remain that way.

Not forgetting the health risk from reading the Daily Heil. Each story you read from it shortens your life by thirty minutes.

[Parahandy]

16 hours ago, Sea Dog said:

This is in boat building and Maintenance, which it broadly is about, but I wonder if we should have a "Quotes from the Daily Mail" section so we don't get the stuff they peddle mixed up with proper boat building and Maintenance topics? I don't read the Daily Mail and would prefer it to remain that way.

All of these Newspapers cater for a Target Audience and the content reflects this , I believe this particular story was in a few Papers , its merely accidental that the link was to the Daily Mail . A Boater was killed and all you worry about is the title of the Newspaper the story was covered in ?

[Sea Dog]

35 minutes ago, Parahandy said:

All of these Newspapers cater for a Target Audience and the content reflects this , I believe this particular story was in a few Papers , its merely accidental that the link was to the Daily Mail . A Boater was killed and all you worry about is the title of the Newspaper the story was covered in ?

No, you misunderstand me. I worry about our forum being deluged by articles from the Daily Mail (or other poorly researched or sensationalising journalistic sources for that matter).  Where this forum works best (for me at any rate) is where the information comes from members, either first hand or from reliable sources.

The odd article being relayed here can be useful or interesting, but the source and content need consideration. You said yourself "these Newspapers cater for a Target Audience and the content reflects this".  My view is that this forum isn't, and shouldn't become, the target audience by proxy.

All that said, perhaps it's in the title. Your post was entitled "Health and Safety", which encourages many (me included) to read it. If the title gave a clue that it was going to be a gutter press article, perhaps it would target it's audience better.  Hence my tongue in cheek request for a "Daily Mail" sub forum.

Edited April 19, 2018 by Sea Dog
Incomplete post

[Murflynn]

Half ton yachts are a racing class, not a weight.

 

it looks like a single keel yacht, not a bilge keeler. 

common practice is a few Acrow props with wooden wedges at ground level and against the hull;  if not done carefully, and checked regularly there is a real risk of one prop getting loose and then the end result is inevitable.  In the building industry H&S requires that scaffoldings should be tagged, a register kept, and should checked by a qualified person regularly; perhaps the same should apply to scaffold support systems such as this.  Perhaps the checking should extend to ensuring the props are braced with horizontal tubes lengthways and athwartships, thus making a cradle.

Edited April 19, 2018 by Murflynn

[Parahandy]

29 minutes ago, Sea Dog said:

No, you misunderstand me. I worry about our forum being deluged by articles from the Daily Mail (or other poorly researched or sensationalising journalistic sources for that matter).  Where this forum works best (for me at any rate) is where the information comes from members, either first hand or from reliable sources.

The odd article being relayed here can be useful or interesting, but the source and content need consideration. You said yourself "these Newspapers cater for a Target Audience and the content reflects this".  My view is that this forum isn't, and shouldn't become, the target audience by proxy.

All that said, perhaps it's in the title. Your post was entitled "Health and Safety", which encourages many (me included) to read it. If the title gave a clue that it was going to be a gutter press article, perhaps it would target it's audience better.  Hence my tongue in cheek request for a "Daily Mail" sub forum.

Thanks absolutely no offence taken nor intended , I was going to put the Article in the Virtual Pub Section but for the fact that the Boater had died and I didn't want to trivialise that fact , I was also thinking of a particular Boat Yard in the South East where H&S is spartan to say the least . 

[Sea Dog]

9 minutes ago, Parahandy said:

Thanks absolutely no offence taken nor intended , I was going to put the Article in the Virtual Pub Section but for the fact that the Boater had died and I didn't want to trivialise that fact , I was also thinking of a particular Boat Yard in the South East where H&S is spartan to say the least . 

And it certainly was tragic, wasn't it.  A reminder for yachties everywhere - there'll be many out there scraping and antifouling in similar locations. 

[rusty69]

I often scrape beneath the bilge keels on ours whilst its on the sand, in fact i did it yesterday. Theres always a thought that it may sink lower whilst I'm underneath. 

[Parahandy]

You really worried me with that Post Rusty , please take proper care .

[Sea Dog]

2 minutes ago, rusty69 said:

I often scrape beneath the bilge keels on ours whilst its on the sand, in fact i did it yesterday. Theres always a thought that it may sink lower whilst I'm underneath. 

That's far less of a problem Rusty. You'll squash into the sand, the tide will come in, the boat will float off on its own, and no-one will be any the wiser.  Later, you will become a fossil and perhaps one day become a museum exhibit.

[rusty69]

1 minute ago, Parahandy said:

You really worried me with that Post Rusty , please take proper care .

Its not as bad as it sounds, as the boat leans forward.