Markinaboat Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Noticed this boat recently which I believe is a Les Allen. Would any of you know if the somewhat irregular gunwales and wavy cabin sides are the norm for a Les Allen hull? I am aware that wavy cabin's can be the result of more frequent framing/welding and therefore strength but this much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Markinaboat said: Noticed this boat recently which I believe is a Les Allen. Would any of you know if the somewhat irregular gunwales and wavy cabin sides are the norm for a Les Allen hull? I am aware that wavy cabin's can be the result of more frequent framing/welding and therefore strength but this much? Not on ours, but ours does have bus type windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Les Allen my aress!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markinaboat Posted March 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, rusty69 said: Not on ours, but ours does have bus type windows. the two forward windows are bus type but still wavy inbetween. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: Les Allen my aress!! Maybe the gunwales are profiled to fit the pontoon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X Alan W Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 (edited) I would very much doubt it is an Allen boat I have seen a good number of their builds & my cousin had one & I cannot remember seeing any wavy plating on either hull or topsides the welding of the top guard to the edge of the hull/gunwale doesn't appear to be up to Allen's standard The boats name/C&RT # may give an idea of the builder There is an Allen boat for sale on the Duck "Troubador " & the steel work on that looks more to Allen's workmanship & looks a totally different finish to the boat in this thread Edited March 31, 2018 by X Alan W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Markinaboat said: the two forward windows are bus type but still wavy inbetween. Missed that bit. A picture of the stern would help identify it as an Allen boat or not if you have one. ETA. The other boat i have a interest in has wavy cabin sides, but not quite to that extent. Edited March 31, 2018 by rusty69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markinaboat Posted March 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, X Alan W said: I would very much doubt it is an Allen boat I have seen a good number of their builds & my cousin had one & I cannot remember seeing any wavy plating on either hull or topsides the welding of the top guard to the edge of the hull/gunwale doesn't appear to be up to Allen's standard The boats name/C&RT # may give an idea of the builder Thanks for the input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markinaboat Posted March 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 49 minutes ago, rusty69 said: Missed that bit. A picture of the stern would help identify it as an Allen boat or not if you have one. ETA. The other boat i have a interest in has wavy cabin sides, but not quite to that extent. not a very good pic but may help the aficionados. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 58 minutes ago, Markinaboat said: not a very good pic but may help the aficionados. It could well be a Les Allen, but I can't be sure from that pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB Esk Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 For comparison, I've just popped out and taken a pic of my own gunnel, which, although not perfect is far ahead of the one pictured. Point being, my boat is self built and a one off, I find it hard to believe the one pictured is a Les Allen (although the stern pic above is very Allen like). I've seen photos of Allen boats in build, and although some of the methods may have been a little "rough and ready" the finished product was always good quality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markinaboat Posted March 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 25 minutes ago, NB Esk said: For comparison, I've just popped out and taken a pic of my own gunnel, which, although not perfect is far ahead of the one pictured. Point being, my boat is self built and a one off, I find it hard to believe the one pictured is a Les Allen (although the stern pic above is very Allen like). I've seen photos of Allen boats in build, and although some of the methods may have been a little "rough and ready" the finished product was always good quality. Looks lovely! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Thats a self build ? Fantastic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace42 Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Generally gunwales are made from long straight strips of flat sheet folded to form a large angled section. So apart from correct alignment of the joints of long sections it is nearly impossible to get a wavy edge. The picture shows what looks like a gunwale of horizontal strips abutting vertical edges - and welded where they touch, and what with strips not being perfectly flat to start with, and then thermal buckling when welding, it is nearly impossible not to get a wavy edge. It is typical of a Springer boat construction - albeit Springers usually have an shallow inverted 'V' roof - and a bow wave breaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyhanger Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 I have an Allen boat. Ths cabin sides are a little bit wavy in places but the gunwales are dead straight. Having watched mine being built, and the technique they used to get the hull sides straight, I'd be surprised if yours actually is an Allen, unless it's been very badly mistreated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 For comparison, here is a pic of our Allen built boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markinaboat Posted March 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, rusty69 said: For comparison, here is a pic of our Allen built boat so there is a slight irregularity with the gunwale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Markinaboat said: so there is a slight irregularity with the gunwale? Maybe slight, but I wouldn't say comparable to your pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markinaboat Posted March 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, rusty69 said: Maybe slight, but I wouldn't say comparable to your pic. Agree, even allowing for camera angles etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB Esk Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 48 minutes ago, monkeyhanger said: I have an Allen boat. Ths cabin sides are a little bit wavy in places but the gunwales are dead straight. Having watched mine being built, and the technique they used to get the hull sides straight, I'd be surprised if yours actually is an Allen, unless it's been very badly mistreated. Do you know? That did cross my mind, I'm just a bit doubtful, could be a combination of a fairly hard life and mediocre build. I'm wondering if because that stern looks like an Allen, it's "become" one, over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markinaboat Posted March 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, NB Esk said: Do you know? That did cross my mind, I'm just a bit doubtful, could be a combination of a fairly hard life and mediocre build. I'm wondering if because that stern looks like an Allen, it's "become" one, over the years. Just to save this taking the wrong route and in appreciation of all of your input/efforts, the boat is most definitely an Allen (mid 90's). Edited March 31, 2018 by Markinaboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 16 minutes ago, Markinaboat said: Just to save this taking the wrong route and in appreciation of all of your input/efforts, the boat is most definitely an Allen (mid 90's). They must have been having a bad week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markinaboat Posted March 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, rusty69 said: They must have been having a bad week What's the general consensus of it being off-putting for someone looking for a quality Allen if the boat as a whole was rather special? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Just now, Markinaboat said: What's the general consensus of it being off-putting for someone looking for a quality Allen if the boat as a whole was rather special? Depends in what way it is special. It would put me off quite a bit I must admit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Isn't a lot of what is going on here "long lens" effect? It is very foreshortened in the picture surely? Does it really look like that to the naked eye, if not viewed through a camera lens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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