pearley Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 Stopped here for water, etc. this morning and saw this stapled to the fence. If you want to object you have to the 20th January. I would assume that if it is sold the Elsan will go and probably the water tap. The map attached to the notice shows the land to be sold including the waste bin area so that might go too. I know there are facilities only just down the road at Merryhill but getting water there is a pain in the ass. And I know there is water at Windmill End except that tap is currently out of action. What happens to the sale proceeds? Are they ring fenced and can only be used to purchase other property or does it go towards CRTs general expenses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve hayes Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 Who are the waterways infrastructure trust? First time I’ve heard of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB Lola Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=1146792&subid=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve hayes Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 I’ve just looked this up as well, don’t understand why cart need to be the trustees of another trust that is responsible for all of the canal infrastructure and properties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john6767 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 Doesn’t this come back to the transfer from BW, in that the Infrastructure Trust owns the infrastructure, and CRT is the operating arm. Like most businesses you tend to ring fence different parts of the operation for tax and protection purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bewildered Posted January 9, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, pearley said: I know there are facilities only just down the road at Merryhill but getting water there is a pain in the ass. Are you sure you are putting your hose in the right place? 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Booth Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 5 hours ago, pearley said: Stopped here for water, etc. this morning and saw this stapled to the fence. If you want to object you have to the 20th January. I would assume that if it is sold the Elsan will go and probably the water tap. The map attached to the notice shows the land to be sold including the waste bin area so that might go too. I know there are facilities only just down the road at Merryhill but getting water there is a pain in the ass. And I know there is water at Windmill End except that tap is currently out of action. What happens to the sale proceeds? Are they ring fenced and can only be used to purchase other property or does it go towards CRTs general expenses? How much are they asking for the freehold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Laurie.Booth said: How much are they asking for the freehold? I might be interested in bunging in a few bob if you are starting a fund Laurie. I'd quite like to see the full extent of the red line defining the freehold though. Anyone got a better photo showing the whole map?! How many flats do you think we could we cram onto the site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Somehow however I feel the deal already been done. Cut and dried and this is lip service to sidestep any charges of nepotism or corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewIC Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Better map: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john6767 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 the site this triangular area bounded by the canal, the lock and the road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Lewis Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 13 hours ago, pearley said: Stopped here for water, etc. this morning and saw this stapled to the fence. If you want to object you have to the 20th January. I would assume that if it is sold the Elsan will go and probably the water tap. The map attached to the notice shows the land to be sold including the waste bin area so that might go too. I know there are facilities only just down the road at Merryhill but getting water there is a pain in the ass. And I know there is water at Windmill End except that tap is currently out of action. What happens to the sale proceeds? Are they ring fenced and can only be used to purchase other property or does it go towards CRTs general expenses? This notice does not appear on the CRT Notices page: https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/business-and-trade/public-notices Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanM Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 When this popped up on Facebook my initial thoughts were was it actually an official notice or someone with an anti-CRT agenda trying to stir up trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_P Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 The postcode on this is wrong. It is not B3 1QA, it's actually B3 1AQ. Not that they deliberately got it wrong so they didn't receive any responses, I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Brummie Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 The notice certainly makes it appear that a sale is already planned. three years ago, a similar sale, according to CaRT, could not be sold unless it was at public auction, so that it was transparently the best deal, to satisfy charitable requirements. The sale actually reduced the potential and also incurred commission. No prior notice of the sale was posted, except for the auction sale board. Is there a covenant on this land that makes a difference, so that has to be satisfied before a sale can be advertised. Any 'closed' sale must raise some fears of insider dealing and planning collusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Todd Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 53 minutes ago, IanM said: When this popped up on Facebook my initial thoughts were was it actually an official notice or someone with an anti-CRT agenda trying to stir up trouble. I must admit that my recollection from passing it several times was that the main pumphouse building was owned or rented by a trust - maybe the Dudley Canal Trust (Wikipedia say that they operate it) know more but I cannot find anything via Google. I did find a photo from 1984 which showed the site rather downbeat and boarded up, it previous industrial user presumably having left. I'd be surprised if the building is not listed. The document in the OP does not feel genuine, however. All such official notices I have ever seen have a header that tells a lot more and I'm suspicious that we have not seen all of the document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacet Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 With few exceptions, when a Charity wishes to make a freehold disposal of property, it has to obtain a written report from a Chartered Surveyor. The report has to comply with "The Charities (Qualified Surveyor's Report) Regulations" and therefore must cover numerous matters including: "Advice as to the manner of disposing of the relevant land so that the terms on which it is disposed of are the best that can reasonably be obtained for the charity" and "unless the surveyor’s advice is that it would not be in the best interests of the charity to advertise the proposed disposition, the period for which and the manner in which the proposed disposition should be advertised" which rather reduces the potential for under-selling, intentional or otherwise. However, this notice is not a form of advertising the property for sale - it relates to s121 of The Charities Act 20111 which applies "Additional restrictions where land held for stipulated purposes" and is more concerned with the principle of disposal rather than the detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Booth Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 8 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said: I might be interested in bunging in a few bob if you are starting a fund Laurie. I'd quite like to see the full extent of the red line defining the freehold though. Anyone got a better photo showing the whole map?! How many flats do you think we could we cram onto the site? I'll go 50 50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springy Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Blowers Green Pumphouse has been used for a number of years by Dudley Canal Trust, presumably on some sort of lease or rental arrangement, now that they have the new buildings at the Tipton Portal they will probably have given C&RT notice that they wish to quit and C&RT are obliged to find another purpose/use for the land and Buildings. springy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanM Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, springy said: Blowers Green Pumphouse has been used for a number of years by Dudley Canal Trust, presumably on some sort of lease or rental arrangement, now that they have the new buildings at the Tipton Portal they will probably have given C&RT notice that they wish to quit and C&RT are obliged to find another purpose/use for the land and Buildings. springy The BCNS posted on Facebook a copy of the picture and the comment "Blowers Green Pump House is causing us concern. I have just received this from one of our Society members who spotted the notice on his way through Blowers Green. If you want to make any comments to CRT you have just a few days - until 20th January in fact. See the notice for details and an email might help" I'm still of the opinion that the notice doesn't look quite right. Edited January 10, 2018 by IanM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john6767 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 The notice is with all the other similar ones from 2017 on the CRT web site at https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/business-and-trade/public-notices so I don't see why there would be any doubt as it if it is genuine or not. This is the site plan linked to from there https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/refresh/media/thumbnail/34995-blowers-green.pdf What is not clear to me is what the concern with this is, is it relating to the historical nature of the building, or the potential loss of the services? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 loss of the services is pretty much the key, they seem to be selling things off and removing services all over the place Notice pinned up just before Christmas with 1 month to respond - good time to bury bad news.....CRT and BW before them are very good at using the "no boating" period to avoid unnecessary opposition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuscan Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 CRTs charitable objects are to preserve the canal heritage , a listed pump station like this would seem to qualify. Marple wharf under threat Bulbourne and Marsworth gone amongst others. Yet more services that no doubt will be lost in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 38 minutes ago, Tuscan said: Marple wharf under threat Bulbourne and Marsworth gone amongst others. Has anything actually happened in respect of Bulbourne then? Last I heard, it had not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuscan Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 You are right the original plans were rejected (quite sensibly IMO) on highways grounds and according to the parish council variations remain under review. It is still CRTs intention to redevelop if they can obtain appropriate planning I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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