Phil Ambrose Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 10 hours ago, Loddon said: That may well be a local adaptation but all the definitions of barge I can find define a barge along the lines of: a long flat-bottomed boat for carrying freight on canals and rivers, either under its own power or towed by another. synonyms:lighter, canal boat, flatboat; narrowboat, wherry; scow Not sure that Wherry should be on the list as flat bottomed they ain't. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Phil Ambrose said: Not sure that Wherry should be on the list as flat bottomed they ain't. Phil Nice pint though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Booth Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 5 hours ago, Derek R. said: Kindred spirits. "You are never alone with a Strand" - of good humour Good cigarette advert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Ambrose Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 2 hours ago, rusty69 said: Nice pint though Very true, I was official taster at the restaurant that I worked for in the Broads, whenever a barrel was changed it was my onerous task to taste test a pint because the keeper od the cellar was a "Lager Boy" who was frightened he would taste something. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 4 hours ago, Phil Ambrose said: Very true, I was official taster at the restaurant that I worked for in the Broads, whenever a barrel was changed it was my onerous task to taste test a pint because the keeper od the cellar was a "Lager Boy" who was frightened he would taste something. Phil It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland elsdon Posted October 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Please can we continue off track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 13 hours ago, Phil Ambrose said: Not sure that Wherry should be on the list as flat bottomed they ain't. Phil In this case, they mean capable of sitting on mud. All coastal sailing boats could do this, though only a few in the south west were flat-bottomed, as per a narrow boat. All the others had conventional rounded chines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Ambrose Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, Pluto said: In this case, they mean capable of sitting on mud. All coastal sailing boats could do this, though only a few in the south west were flat-bottomed, as per a narrow boat. All the others had conventional rounded chines. The Norfolk Wherry was not built to sit on mud. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 13 hours ago, Phil Ambrose said: Not sure that Wherry should be on the list as flat bottomed they ain't. Phil You are thinking Norfolk, there are others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Ambrose Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 minute ago, ditchcrawler said: You are thinking Norfolk, there are others Hi Brian, check out my last post above yours. Hope you are well, Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 10 hours ago, Phil Ambrose said: Very true, I was official taster at the restaurant that I worked for in the Broads, whenever a barrel was changed it was my onerous task to taste test a pint because the keeper od the cellar was a "Lager Boy" who was frightened he would taste something. Phil I met a barman like that in the pub at Blisworth, gave him my pint back and suggested he tries it as it was sour, but he was a fizzy drink kid as well and took it off on my say so. Just now, Phil Ambrose said: Hi Brian, check out my last post above yours. Hope you are well, Phil I reply as I go, it often catches me out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, Phil Ambrose said: The Norfolk Wherry was not built to sit on mud. Phil That is certainly the case with Norfolk wherries over the last hundred years or so, but the Norfolk wherry evolved from Viking ships and ceols into coastal cargo boats and Norfolk keels, and then boats for loading and unloading ships waiting to enter Yarmouth, so earlier they would certainly have had to lie on the mud. The flat bottom required would have made them suitable for the shallow waters of the Broads as lands there were drained and water levels controlled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwatch Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 19 hours ago, Derek R. said: Kindred spirits. "You are never alone with a Strand" - of good humour I was alone on the Strand once. But I did find my way home eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Booth Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 51 minutes ago, Nightwatch said: I was alone on the Strand once. But I did find my way home eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 10/8/2017 at 09:40, Bee said: I like the word heritage. I used to be known as a bad tempered old git, now I am a Heritage old git. Shouldn't that be a "bad tempered heritage git"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Wasn't there a version popular with violinists, 'You're never alone with a Strad'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwatch Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 21 minutes ago, Laurie.Booth said: That chap was walking a lot straighter than I was when alone on the strand. I think!, he walks up Wild Street onto Great Queen Street and lights up infont of the Masonic Hall. My parents ran a pub across the road from there. the Sugar Loaf. Now an Irish pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billS Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 30 minutes ago, Athy said: Wasn't there a version popular with violinists, 'You're never alone with a Strad'? ...and the one popular with rock guitarists, "You're never alone with a Strat". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, billS said: ...and the one popular with rock guitarists, "You're never alone with a Strat". You should be on Tele. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Ambrose Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 5 hours ago, Pluto said: That is certainly the case with Norfolk wherries over the last hundred years or so, but the Norfolk wherry evolved from Viking ships and ceols into coastal cargo boats and Norfolk keels, and then boats for loading and unloading ships waiting to enter Yarmouth, so earlier they would certainly have had to lie on the mud. The flat bottom required would have made them suitable for the shallow waters of the Broads as lands there were drained and water levels controlled. The Broads are nor particularly shallow and the land was not drained nor are the water levels controlled. The Broads as such resulted from peat cutting and as the cutting proceeded the spent beds were allowed to flood to assist in moving the peat that had been cut. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Booth Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 10 hours ago, Nightwatch said: That chap was walking a lot straighter than I was when alone on the strand. I think!, he walks up Wild Street onto Great Queen Street and lights up infont of the Masonic Hall. My parents ran a pub across the road from there. the Sugar Loaf. Now an Irish pub. Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 09/10/2017 at 14:40, Athy said: You should be on Tele. You were casting around a long time for that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dccruiser Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 On 10/8/2017 at 10:27, Loddon said: That may well be a local adaptation but all the definitions of barge I can find define a barge along the lines of: a long flat-bottomed boat for carrying freight on canals and rivers, either under its own power or towed by another. synonyms:lighter, canal boat, flatboat; narrowboat, wherry; scow Agree totally ... a lot of people know narrowboats as barges from the carrying days ... And obviously the film the bargee with harry h corbett would never have worked if it was titled the narrowboatee Rick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) Boatee might have been more correct, but most folk would recognise bargee as being associated with cargo carrying vessels, and it trips off the tongue easier. And with Maffers top called Leg O'Mutton lock and most cinema goers never knowing the difference (or the direction they were traveling) - I doubt it would have made any difference. I bet the few working boat folk who saw it had a good laugh at the errors. Edited October 10, 2017 by Derek R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) 17 hours ago, Nightwatch said: I think!, he walks up Wild Street onto Great Queen Street and lights up infont of the Masonic Hall. My parents ran a pub across the road from there. the Sugar Loaf. Now an Irish pub. If I may correct you, he is walking from the Aldwych, around the front entrance of Australia House into the Strand. You can see the Church of St. Mary Le Strand in the background towards which he walks after lighting up. Aldwych is wide, whereas Wild St. is quite narrow. The phone boxes are long gone. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5128621,-0.1147999,3a,75y,6.25h,94.14t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipMgXdWJpA8sz8MmZ4h6Huvrwgutwlqq3ODE6G4Q!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMgXdWJpA8sz8MmZ4h6Huvrwgutwlqq3ODE6G4Q%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya134.9547-ro-0-fo100!7i5376!8i2688?hl=en Edited October 10, 2017 by Derek R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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