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Alan de Enfield

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If they had a 'home mooring' I'd agree with you - however - the boaters concerned are CCers and whilst they have 'no home mooring' they wish to stay in a restricted area.

 

To be an NBTA member you MUST NOT have a home mooring.

 

1.2 Bargee Traveller means itinerant boat dweller, boat dweller without a home or permanent mooring, travelling boat dweller, live-aboard continuous cruiser or itinerant live-aboard boater and includes anyone whose home is a boat and who does not have a permanent mooring for their boat with planning permission for year-round residential use.

That is correct with regards being an NBTA member.

Explain what you mean by a 'restricted area'. Is this where the UFO's are?

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Explain what you mean by a 'restricted area'. Is this where the UFO's are?

 

A bit less than the full length of any one canal ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll get my coat, and take my wooden spoon with me ....

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Getting the kids to school is a bone fide use of the navigation.

 

So a boat stays long term on the same spot just west of Bradford on Avon, near the Cross Guns at Avoncliff where they like a few beers most nights. Every day they boat up to Bradford on Avon near the Tythe Barn, about a mile, from where they walk the kids to school. Late afternoon they collect the kids and boat back to Avoncliff for the night and to visit the pub.

This makes an interesting argument and would make a very interesting court case. The school run or the pub visit could both be bone fide navigation and the boat is moving 5 days every week.

 

................Dave

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Ok so lets solve this problem. Areas within range of school zones for these protected individuals. Lets say within 5 canal miles either way from the school. Payable at equivalent rate to local moorings. Calculated at weekly rate and charged term time pro rata.

Outside of term time the boat must not be within this zone, except to cruise in and out. And while outside of this zone must cruise.

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So a boat stays long term on the same spot just west of Bradford on Avon, near the Cross Guns at Avoncliff where they like a few beers most nights. Every day they boat up to Bradford on Avon near the Tythe Barn, about a mile, from where they walk the kids to school. Late afternoon they collect the kids and boat back to Avoncliff for the night and to visit the pub.

This makes an interesting argument and would make a very interesting court case. The school run or the pub visit could both be bone fide navigation and the boat is moving 5 days every week.

 

................Dave

Lovely.

 

But would the daily run be enough to keep the batteries healthy?

 

And might some inconsiderate home moorer steal their return mooring?

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Ok so lets solve this problem. Areas within range of school zones for these protected individuals. Lets say within 5 canal miles either way from the school. Payable at equivalent rate to local moorings. Calculated at weekly rate and charged term time pro rata.

Outside of term time the boat must not be within this zone, except to cruise in and out. And while outside of this zone must cruise.

If one lived on a boat, where on the canal system would you choose to bring up your children? Edited by Goliath
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Ok so lets solve this problem. Areas within range of school zones for these protected individuals. Lets say within 5 canal miles either way from the school. Payable at equivalent rate to local moorings. Calculated at weekly rate and charged term time pro rata.

Outside of term time the boat must not be within this zone, except to cruise in and out. And while outside of this zone must cruise.

Explain how this would help the situation.

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Lovely.

 

But would the daily run be enough to keep the batteries healthy?

 

And might some inconsiderate home moorer steal their return mooring?

 

The short answer is that they already have a very loud open generator bolted to the back deck, this is the Western K&A after all.

 

But you inadvertently raised another interesting point here.....

If I did the same journey bit with the intention of charging the batteries rather than taking the kids to school would this be bone fide navigation or just a move in order to support an otherwise static life?

 

As for your second point, they simply leave so many possessions and/or a pile of crap on the towpath that nobody else would dare to take their spot?

or...

There is an unofficial No Mooring sign erected by the pub landlord because he is doing very well out of their drinking habit.

 

................Dave

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So a boat stays long term on the same spot just west of Bradford on Avon, near the Cross Guns at Avoncliff where they like a few beers most nights. Every day they boat up to Bradford on Avon near the Tythe Barn, about a mile, from where they walk the kids to school. Late afternoon they collect the kids and boat back to Avoncliff for the night and to visit the pub.

This makes an interesting argument and would make a very interesting court case. The school run or the pub visit could both be bone fide navigation and the boat is moving 5 days every week.

 

................Dave

Do you have a problem with this hypothetical pattern of movement?

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Do you have a problem with this hypothetical pattern of movement?

 

Absolutely no problem at all - on the condition they do not claim to be CCing, and that they return to a 'home mooring' each evening.

You still haven't said how you connect appartide to a minority taking their kids to school.

 

Just replace the word "white" in the sign with the word 'pregnant'

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Absolutely no problem at all - on the condition they do not claim to be CCing, and that they return to a 'home mooring' each evening.

 

Just replace the word "white" in the sign with the word 'pregnant'

Why would they have to return to a home mooring every night, nobody else has to?

 

Your second point is just bad. Nobody gets to choose their own skin colour, or in the case of apartheid S.Africa, their race.

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Ok so lets solve this problem. Areas within range of school zones for these protected individuals. Lets say within 5 canal miles either way from the school. Payable at equivalent rate to local moorings. Calculated at weekly rate and charged term time pro rata.

Outside of term time the boat must not be within this zone, except to cruise in and out. And while outside of this zone must cruise.

 

But that appears to be the nub of the problem; they don't see that they should pay any mooring fees.

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Absolutely no problem at all - on the condition they do not claim to be CCing, and that they return to a 'home mooring' each evening.

 

??

Just replace the word "white" in the sign with the word 'pregnant'

??

 

But that appears to be the nub of the problem; they don't see that they should pay any mooring fees.

Because they move every 14 days?
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But that appears to be the nub of the problem; they don't see that they should pay any mooring fees.

Is that the case though Grahame? Assuming that we're not just talking about one particular boat here.

There must be some, surely, who would be happy to pay a mooring fee, were a suitable mooring available.

Others obviously couldn't give a toss, but can we lump them all together?

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If they did, it would be a non-issue. But they want an equality adjustment so that "having kids" is "reasonable in the circumstances" so they don't have to move (to a new place) every 14 days or so.

Define a new place.

 

(With or without pants on head )

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So does your habit permit you to moor as long as you like ?

 

Remember we are not talking about mooring here, but very frequent short trips between two locations.

 

Up and down at Bradford on Avon is perhaps a bit extreme, and of course taking the kids to school as bone fide navigation rather discriminates against those with no children or grown up children, but how about spending your entire life just cruising between the Holy Inadequate in Stoke on Trent and the Black Lion at Consall Forge ? cheers.gif

...........Dave

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Remember we are not talking about mooring here, but very frequent short trips between two locations.

 

Up and down at Bradford on Avon is perhaps a bit extreme, and of course taking the kids to school as bone fide navigation rather discriminates against those with no children or grown up children, but how about spending your entire life just cruising between the Holy Inadequate in Stoke on Trent and the Black Lion at Consall Forge ? cheers.gif

...........Dave[/quote

 

Let me sleep on that.

Trouble is there are no pubs between?

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Absolutely no problem at all - on the condition they do not claim to be CCing, and that they return to a 'home mooring' each evening.

 

 

Just replace the word "white" in the sign with the word 'pregnant'

So, about money.

 

Don't you think that you, as a seriously rich man, telling people who are in reality fairly poor but trying to make a good environment to bring up their kids, should be paying more money is more than slightly distasteful?

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To be an NBTA member you MUST NOT have a home mooring.

 

1.2 “Bargee Traveller” means itinerant boat dweller, boat dweller without a home or permanent mooring, travelling boat dweller, live-aboard continuous cruiser or itinerant live-aboard boater and includes anyone whose home is a boat and who does not have a permanent mooring for their boat with planning permission for year-round residential use.

 

 

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Because they move every 14 days?

Do they? From the numerous past threads on here that is the one thing they are NOT doing effectively.

 

Is that the case though Grahame? Assuming that we're not just talking about one particular boat here.

There must be some, surely, who would be happy to pay a mooring fee, were a suitable mooring available.

Others obviously couldn't give a toss, but can we lump them all together?

See the reply about the membership criteria for the NBTA above, and from previous posts on here about the west end of the K & A. Many seem to imply they can't afford to pay any mooring fess although it has been confirmed that the Benefit system would cover them.

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Define a new place.

 

(With or without pants on head )

 

I think you've confused the point you're trying to make. There is a debate on what the requirements are, for not staying in one place, which the vast majority of CCers are happy about and comply with. This is not the topic of this debate. Looking back at the OP, the NBTA are making a case that those with children are being treated unfairly, and in fact are an exceptional case (like, rightly, those with health issues, illness etc) under the Equity Act and thus don't need to comply with the existing requirements that other CCers do.

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