tree monkey Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Bimbling not allowed anymore! Banned! But I bimble as a lifestyle, I am a past master bimbler, I bimble at work and at home, I have spent most of my life practising the art of bimbling. Have I been banned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magictime Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 You need to think outside the box here! If they clamp down on residential use of leisure moorings, and the price falls to £1k you can have TWO leisure moorings, and flit between them every so often, and still be quids in. Not if they make it a condition of taking a leisure mooring that you show a Council Tax bill for your 'primary residence'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted May 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) Not if they make it a condition of taking a leisure mooring that you show a Council Tax bill for your 'primary residence'. I assumed one would not be allowed to have more than one mooring anyway. Maybe the chancellor of the the ex chequer should apply an extra tax to second moorings I would not vote for an extra tax for having more than one boat though (above the normal licenses required) as I have seven Typos Edited May 24, 2016 by magnetman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichM Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Are the CRT allowed to change the rules as they deem necessary? Surely it must go through some fairly formed committee beforehand? If not then that's not very good when we supposedly live in a democratic country. If they can just change the rules as they like then perhaps something should be done to tackle that and then other issues (such as the one in this thread) may not even have the chance to arise in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Are the CRT allowed to change the rules as they deem necessary? Surely it must go through some fairly formed committee beforehand? Which other business or for that matter charity do you know which consults its customers before it makes changes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Are the CRT allowed to change the rules as they deem necessary? Surely it must go through some fairly formed committee beforehand? If not then that's not very good when we supposedly live in a democratic country. If they can just change the rules as they like then perhaps something should be done to tackle that and then other issues (such as the one in this thread) may not even have the chance to arise in the first place. Yes, but they're still bound by the "unfair contract act" or whatever the legislation is - if they introduce an unfair term into the contract which is agreed upon, if you can later prove its unfair you're not bound by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Yes, but they're still bound by the "unfair contract act" or whatever the legislation is - if they introduce an unfair term into the contract which is agreed upon, if you can later prove its unfair you're not bound by it. Is there any suggestion that saying : You cannot use it until you have paid for it, or If you use it before or after the contract starts / expires we will charge you &/or move your boat, or You must not use a leisure mooring as residential, or You must not conduct any business from your mooring Are 'unfair conditions' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted May 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 What about the bit about dead people? I never quite knew what "fair" meant anyway (apart from memories of bright lights lots of noise, looking at nice big generators and trying to avoid those horrible bumper cars) but if we are talking about fairness then denying the right of a spouse to continue paying for a -residential- mooring after the death of the mooring contract signature writer is unfair IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Is there any suggestion that saying : You cannot use it until you have paid for it, or If you use it before or after the contract starts / expires we will charge you &/or move your boat, or You must not use a leisure mooring as residential, or You must not conduct any business from your mooring Are 'unfair conditions' ? The requirement to tell them when you're going away and coming back, so they can sub-let it, isn't brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 The requirement to tell them when you're going away and coming back, so they can sub-let it, isn't brilliant. "Fair enough" However - I think every marina I have ever used (including marine marinas) reserve the right to 'sub let' your mooring when you are away. I remember once when we called in at Rhu marina for a few days, we were directed to a certain mooring, and just as we were bedding down one night a 'hooter' went off and an "Oi - can you please move off our mooring". The mooring owner had returned after his 'holidays'. The marina office was closed for the night, but its not a problem we just moved down to the next empty space - its not a 'drama'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted May 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 That was just my theory - I don't know if they are planning to do that. I would hope not. There may be another way of looking at that. Perhaps it is a gentle hint that if you tell CRT you intend to leave the mooring for a period of 28 days and then do so they can use that as evidence (to anyone who is bothered about residential status at a certain mooring site) that you are not continuously resident on your mooring. Maybe they are actually trying to help out people who are living on leisure moorings while also helping themselves to avoid the murky question of liveaboards using moorings without residential planning consent etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 What about the bit about dead people? I never quite knew what "fair" meant anyway (apart from memories of bright lights lots of noise, looking at nice big generators and trying to avoid those horrible bumper cars) but if we are talking about fairness then denying the right of a spouse to continue paying for a -residential- mooring after the death of the mooring contract signature writer is unfair IMO. I am trying to think of a close comparison but not really finding one, but : The ownership of a car does not pass to the next of kin - you can apply to have it changed into your name, I guess as you can with the mooring If the deceased was paying a mortgage, then the mortgage does not transfer to the next of kin If the deceased was renting a flat then the lease will not transfer to the next of kin. I am sure there are better examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davis Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 What about the bit about dead people? I never quite knew what "fair" meant anyway (apart from memories of bright lights lots of noise, looking at nice big generators and trying to avoid those horrible bumper cars) but if we are talking about fairness then denying the right of a spouse to continue paying for a -residential- mooring after the death of the mooring contract signature writer is unfair IMO. See earlier when this was discussed at some length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 If the deceased was renting a flat then the lease will not transfer to the next of kin. There is at least one type of tenancy where the lease IS inherited by the heirs to the deceased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 There is at least one type of tenancy where the lease IS inherited by the heirs to the deceased. Agreed - but there are 'variations' If the tenancy is still within its fixed term, then the remainder of the fixed term is a property right, the ownership of which will pass to the deceased tenant’s Personal Representatives* as part of the tenant’s ‘estate’ (i.e. everything he owns when he dies) * ‘Personal Representatives’ includes both the executors under a will and administrators appointed when the person dies intestate (i.e. without having made a will). If the tenancy is in joint names then the living tenant will acquire the deceased tenant’s share by what is known as the ‘right of survivorship’. So if a husband and wife rent a property jointly and the husband dies, it will then belong just to the wife. Maybe the way that boat owners can ensure continuity is to have the mooring in joint names (do C&RT have provision for this ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witchword Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 I took a mooring so that I could avoid the problems of not having one. I don't own a house as well, I don't breach my mooring's T&Cs but I stay at my mother's house and cruise in order to do this. I don't have a council tax in my name because it's in her name. Perhaps I should ask her to add my name to the bill. I agree with the pp who mentioned a 10-year plan. I too would like to know the long-term intention. And who is driving what- because as mentioned, the housing situation will become even more desperate if people are driven off their boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 I took a mooring so that I could avoid the problems of not having one. I don't own a house as well, I don't breach my mooring's T&Cs but I stay at my mother's house and cruise in order to do this. I don't have a council tax in my name because it's in her name. Perhaps I should ask her to add my name to the bill. Simple - just ask her to change her name to match yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 But I bimble as a lifestyle, I am a past master bimbler, I bimble at work and at home, I have spent most of my life practising the art of bimbling. Have I been banned? Cereful, it might affect your eyesight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0atman Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Local authorities may have been bending CRTs ear . Was this subject brought to the attention of the meeting that our elected reps went to ? I know one lovely Village where NIMBYS have stated in council meeting "Boaters children go to our village School and some boaters use the Doctors". In my mind live aboards not occupying the mooring /boat for more than 10 months accumulative in a year are not residential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 In my mind live aboards not occupying the mooring /boat for more than 10 months accumulative in a year are not residential. I suspect that would depend on the council's attitude. For a property (OK I know it isn't a boat) to be not residential where our holiday let is it can't be occupied by the same people for more than 13 continuous weeks. So movement of a boat where this rule was applied (particularly if the council was hostile) would need to be carefully planned e.g. arrive 1st Nov leave on or before 30th Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Muck Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Local authorities may have been bending CRTs ear . See I really don't think this is happening in London, they have a massive housing shortage as it is, so evicting boaters is only going to give them more hassle. And there's not the nimbyism here as London moorings don't tend to be overlooked by housing. They don't get complained about. I really do think this is a CRT thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Nibble Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 See I really don't think this is happening in London, they have a massive housing shortage as it is, so evicting boaters is only going to give them more hassle. And there's not the nimbyism here as London moorings don't tend to be overlooked by housing. They don't get complained about. I really do think this is a CRT thing. Perhaps cart is one of the few organizations to recognise that there is a world outside London? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Muck Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) The OP is in London and it was implied in this thread that the change in terms was 'because of the London situation'. But I disagree. That's why I'm prattling on about it. Edited May 27, 2016 by Lady Muck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacka Posted May 27, 2016 Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) I think the changes will impact London IF and it is only an if, CRT decide to apply the mooring T&Cs to all their moorings, including visitor moorings - obviously not the bits about buying a mooring. But I can see no logic in not allowing certain activities on paid for moorings, but allowing them on visitor moorings, especially where one can stay for more than a couple of days. So put the changes onto the paid for moorings, and probably not too much reaction from the boating groups, then roll it out to all CRT managed (including visitor) moorings. Edited May 27, 2016 by Chewbacka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted May 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2016 Before we know it they'll be using gps equipped pda's to log where all our boats are Oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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