urgent catch-22 licence question

[David Mack]

Not really possible, as it's passing through a manned EA lock at Denver who check licence status.

 

Hackenbush could go via the Old West and the New Bedford River.

[ditchcrawler]

 

My thoughts also. Can the OP copy what was written about the fusebox. I suspect its advice rather than a mandatory requirement and the validity of that advice depends to a degree upon the relationship (if any) between the person advising and the person doing the work.

 

Am I cynical or what?

You speak my language Tony

[FadeToScarlet]

 

Hackenbush could go via the Old West and the New Bedford River.

...which would go via Hermitage Lock, and another EA lockie who checks registration.

[Delta9]

They can check registration but can they refuse passage?

[Peter X]

Rewiring the fusebox is probably a job for a professional, but I imagine that any competent sparky should be able to do it.

 

If the "flexible pipe" that they mention is just the "pigtail" that connects to the gas cylinder, then you can buy these made up - either online or from your local caravan centre.

 

No problem for a DIY fit for these. Use a bit of PTFE tape around the threads and check it's gas tight with some soapy water. The BSS examiner would probably do a pressure drop test as well when he returns, so you'll know whether you have fitted it correctly.

 

I don't think you should need to move your boat at all, really,

Speaking to my brother just now, who is an electrical engineer, he reckons that it's wisest to find an electrician who specialises in boats because there's various equipment present which someone who normally works on land might not be too familiar with.

[GUMPY]

Speaking to my brother just now, who is an electrical engineer, he reckons that it's wisest to find an electrician who specialises in boats because there's various equipment present which someone who normally works on land might not be too familiar with.

Wise words indeed

[David Mack]

...which would go via Hermitage Lock, and another EA lockie who checks registration.

Ah. Didn't know Hermitage is manned as well.

[Richard10002]

Doesn't a boat on CaRT waters without a licence get told to get a licence within a certain time frame, or action will begin. Presumably the time frame is longer than a week?

 

Thus, if unlicensed on the subject waterway, presumably something similar happens, so plenty of time to get to the yard, get a BSS, get insured, and get licenced.

[Peter X]

Another possibility might be to get enough work done in Cambridge (or at least while still on the Cam and not having had to pass a lockkeeper's scrutiny!) to be compliant with BSS, then get an inspection done there; no doubt an inspector can go to the boat to do it, but I don't know, does a boat need to come out of the water for a BSS inspection?

 

Once in a possession of a certificate, would hackenbush then only need a temporary EA licence to do the trip from Denver to March (scheduled for 22 May I think) plus the trip from March to Northampton (scheduled for 5-7 June, I hope we'll be onto the Northampton Arm after that)? In other words,

(1) is there no need for him to get a Cam licence because either the EA one covers it or they'll overlook it or he can get off the Cam unnoticed?, and

(2) Would a temporary EA licence cover the period he needs of 22 May to 7 June inclusive, i.e. 17 days?

 

As he intends to keep the boat on CRT waters, and as far as I know has no particular intention to use EA waters in the coming year, he'll need a normal CRT licence of course once he has the BSS, whether he gets that on the Cam or at March.

[hackenbush]

It's on Cam Conservancy waters, and a CamCon licence covers for the trip to Northampton over the Ouse and Nene.

However the Conservancy can't do short term licences, only yearly, so you would probably be better off with a short term EA licence.

Hackenbush, what date did the BSS certificate run out?

 

Not really possible, as it's passing through a manned EA lock at Denver who check licence status.

In answer to Richard I at first believed that it needed to go to the boatyard to have the necessary work done to pass the BSS. If that were the case then the catch22 was that I needed to BSS to get the licence which would allow me to get to the boatyard.

It turns out that I can get the necessary work done before leaving so if I'm lucky I'll be able to get the BSS before I leave and it should be fine.

 

Regardless, I am confused how this is overcome if I couldn't get the work done before getting to a boatyard.

 

And FadeToScarlet, I just noticed I was replying to you so you already know all this!

I think I should be able to get the cert guy to check in the next few days. Before Sunday anyway

[hackenbush]

Another possibility might be to get enough work done in Cambridge (or at least while still on the Cam and not having had to pass a lockkeeper's scrutiny!) to be compliant with BSS, then get an inspection done there; no doubt an inspector can go to the boat to do it, but I don't know, does a boat need to come out of the water for a BSS inspection?

 

Once in a possession of a certificate, would hackenbush then only need a temporary EA licence to do the trip from Denver to March (scheduled for 22 May I think) plus the trip from March to Northampton (scheduled for 5-7 June, I hope we'll be onto the Northampton Arm after that)? In other words,

(1) is there no need for him to get a Cam licence because either the EA one covers it or they'll overlook it or he can get off the Cam unnoticed?, and

(2) Would a temporary EA licence cover the period he needs of 22 May to 7 June inclusive, i.e. 17 days?

 

As he intends to keep the boat on CRT waters, and as far as I know has no particular intention to use EA waters in the coming year, he'll need a normal CRT licence of course once he has the BSS, whether he gets that on the Cam or at March.

The surveyor used to be a BSS inspector so his report paid special attention to these things. However, when I spoke to the inspector who is hopefully going to get to the boat before we set off from Cambridge on Sunday he pointed out that many recommendations are just that, recommendations.

This is also the inspector that passed said fuse box in apparantley identical state the last time, so the only jobs that need doing are the gas pipe and the extinguishers.

[Peter X]

It's good to see that you seem to be getting the necessary fixes done to get the BSS before setting off from Cambridge, and like you I wonder whether everyone in your position is so fortunate.

Is it that just about any fix that could be needed to get a BSS can be done anywhere, or at least that some temporary step such as shutting off a gas tap or taking cylinders off a boat could suffice?

Or is there some sort of leeway available if a boat is being moved to a boatyard (within a reasonable distance!) for repairs necessary to pass?

Does anyone know the answer to my questions in post #34 about the navigation licence(s) required?

[Peter X]

I've sent a PM about some details to consider, notably the timetable to get us through Stanground Sluice on 5th June, which I gather closes at 3pm on Sundays.

[Alan de Enfield]

 

Or is there some sort of leeway available if a boat is being moved to a boatyard (within a reasonable distance!) for repairs necessary to pass?

 

 

Yes

It is written in law.

If I remember you should ask for permission but that it 'should not unreasonably be witheld'

 

Edit - Found it. (Although not being on C&RT waters it is not relevant)

 

(11)

(a )The refusal or withdrawal by the Board of a relevant consent in respect of any vessel on the grounds that the vessel does not comply with the standards applicable to that vessel shall not preclude the movement or use of the vessel with the consent of the Board (which shall not be unreasonably withheld) and subject to such reasonable conditions (if any) as they may determine.

 

(b )Without prejudice to the generality of paragraph (a) above, the Board shall not withhold their consent under this subsection to the movement or use of a vessel for the purpose of taking it to a place where it may be repaired or modified so as to comply with the standards applicable to it, or for the purpose of taking the vessel to be destroyed, unless such movement or use would give rise to the risk of obstruction or danger to navigation or to persons or property.

 

(c )Nothing in this section shall affect the operation of section 7 (Control of unsafe vessels) of the Act of 1983

Edited May 18, 2016 by Alan de Enfield

[Jrtm]

This is why its nice having the licance and insurance 6 month from the bss.

If it fails the bss you still have to get it fixed but its not a case of you cant move it without being covered. But as long as you tell your insurance you getting the work done and need insurance to move the boat they will cover you till you have had the work done

[Alan de Enfield]

This is why its nice having the licance and insurance 6 month from the bss.

If it fails the bss you still have to get it fixed but its not a case of you cant move it without being covered. But as long as you tell your insurance you getting the work done and need insurance to move the boat they will cover you till you have had the work done

 

That's not quite true.

 

When your licence is issued it is on the condition that you maintain a valid BSS for the duration of the licence.

By allowing the BSS to lapse, your licence is now invalidated.

 

You can of course renew your BSS up to 3 months prior to its expiry, then, if it fails you have time to get the boat 'repaired' and a new test undertaken, and you have complied with your licence conditions.

[Jrtm]

Oh ok mine just said to tell them if it failed and they would cover it still as long as it was on its way to a dock/place to have any work done as long as it wasnt being used for use still untill it passed.

[ditchcrawler]

Oh ok mine just said to tell them if it failed and they would cover it still as long as it was on its way to a dock/place to have any work done as long as it wasnt being used for use still untill it passed.

Lots of boats are insured without having a BSS certificate, I don't think my insurance company even asks the question. I think the posting above meant you wouldn't have a valid licence with no BSS certificate