bigcol Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Boat safety coming up next year I think But is there a sell by date for extinguishers ? Or do they go by the line being on the green. ( in the middle) Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenataomm Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Seem to remember once I had one weighed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 If there is NO expiry date they look at green line and general condition. SOME are marked with an expiry date and if so that has to be in date and the green line and condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidc Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 and if there is a mark which looks like a sticker has been removed then it will automatically fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Booth Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 If it's a powder one, make sure it's in the green, clean, plus rotate it so you move the powder about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham.m Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) From BSS Part 6. the failure reason list Portable fire extinguishers must be in good general condition, and must not show any of the following indicators of poor condition: • missing safety pin; • dents; gouges; significant rust or other form of corrosion; perished hose; • pressure gauge (where fitted) indicator in the ‘red’ sector; • having passed the manufacturer’s express‘expiry’ or ‘replace by’ date; • obvious under‐weight indicating whole or partial discharge; • signs of damage to trigger assembly, including deterioration caused by ultraviolet light and heat. NOTE – portable fire extinguishers having passed the manufacturer’s express‘expiry’ or ‘replace by’ dates are acceptable if supported by evidence of servicing in accordance with BS 5306 by a service technician within the last 12 months. Evidence must be in the form of a service label on the extinguisher and an associated invoice or service report on headed paper from a company recognisable as an extinguisher servicing company. I think you will find that any extinguishers bought in the last five years in the UK will have engraved somewhere either a manufacture date or an expiry date. I understand the extinguisher is accepted if less than 12 months from manufacture date or within the expiry date. Edited December 18, 2015 by Graham.m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murflynn Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 I understand the extinguisher is accepted if less than 12 months from manufacture date or within the expiry date. ??????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham.m Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 ??????????? Sorry what is the query? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 SOME are marked with an expiry date and if so that has to be in date........... You would have thought so - but remember its boat surveyors we are talking about here. I purchased my 'new' boat in May this year, it was fitted out in Belgium, and this was the first time on C&RT waters so it needed a BSS - the fire extinguishers ( and other 'stuff') are 'European'. they have a huge (almost inch high white lettering) printed " must not be used after Jan 2010" I left them in place for the BSS - it passed with no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 You would have thought so - but remember its boat surveyors we are talking about here. I purchased my 'new' boat in May this year, it was fitted out in Belgium, and this was the first time on C&RT waters so it needed a BSS - the fire extinguishers ( and other 'stuff') are 'European'. they have a huge (almost inch high white lettering) printed " must not be used after Jan 2010" I left them in place for the BSS - it passed with no problem. It's worth keeping the out of date ones to use for false alarms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 It's worth keeping the out of date ones to use for false alarms. I keep my old pyrotechnics. I was just looking at them this morning - the oldest Parachute flare expired in 2002, but its 'sister' fired off without incident on bonfire night. I tend to replace the flares 2 per year so there are always 8 or 10 in the 'grab bag' that are well within date, and a dozen of so 'out of date ones' available if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murflynn Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Sorry what is the query? are you saying that the extinguisher is only acceptable if it within the expiry date, or is less than 12 months old, from date of manufacture? the latter criteria appears to be very pessimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham.m Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 are you saying that the extinguisher is only acceptable if it within the expiry date, or is less than 12 months old, from date of manufacture? the latter criteria appears to be very pessimistic. Yes unless it has been serviced and the tech has labelled the extinguisher. Extinguisher are supposed to be serviced every 12 months. See BSS Part 6 the note NOTE – portable fire extinguishers having passed the manufacturer’s express‘expiry’ or ‘replace by’ dates are acceptable if supported by evidence of servicing in accordance with BS 5306 by a service technician within the last 12 months. Evidence must be in the form of a service label on the extinguisher and an associated invoice or service report on headed paper from a company recognisable as an extinguisher servicing company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Yes unless it has been serviced and the tech has labelled the extinguisher. Extinguisher are supposed to be serviced every 12 months. See BSS Part 6 the note NOTE portable fire extinguishers having passed the manufacturers expressexpiry or replace by dates are acceptable if supported by evidence of servicing in accordance with BS 5306 by a service technician within the last 12 months. Evidence must be in the form of a service label on the extinguisher and an associated invoice or service report on headed paper from a company recognisable as an extinguisher servicing company. So extinguishers must be serviced every 12 months after the expiry date, but not every 12 months from manufacture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 So extinguishers must be serviced every 12 months after the expiry date, but not every 12 months from manufacture. Absolutely correct. If the extinguisher has a 5 year expiry date then it doesn't have to be serviced for 5 years. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham.m Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 So extinguishers must be serviced every 12 months after the expiry date, but not every 12 months from manufacture. Thats where a problem lays. If the BSS Inspector see a date what is he going to say. I had one say be they are twelve months old, they must be serviced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 But its only serviced once every four years because they are only "checked once every 4 years" so if its serviced this December, BSS next November then you HAVE to have it serviced just prior to the following BSS inspection, almost 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 How does the price of extinguisher services, either annual or even just before aeach BSS inspection, stack up against replacement every 5 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham.m Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 But its only serviced once every four years because they are only "checked once every 4 years" so if its serviced this December, BSS next November then you HAVE to have it serviced just prior to the following BSS inspection, almost 5 years. Yep I agree its silly. It is cheaper to buy new every four years than to service then. Think I have 9 on board at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 All of mine have the little dial on the top. The inspector ensured that the dial was in the green and that the sizes were appropriate. No dates were checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Mine have not got an expiry date on them but I had them serviced at the last IWA National I went to, I think it was about half the price of new ones. Probably just as important is to take them out of their brackets and give them a good shake every 3 months or so (change the time period if you only visit the boat for 2 weeks every year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Mine have not got an expiry date on them but I had them serviced at the last IWA National I went to, I think it was about half the price of new ones. Ah, thanks DC. So the cheapest route is, after the first 5 years if that's the expiry period, to service at half the cost of replacement just before each BSS inspection. Otherwise, if you find it unacceptable to have 'out of date' extinguishers, replace every 5 years with new ones showing a 5 year life. Regular annual servicing quickly becomes more expensive than 5 year replacements. Does that sum it up correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham.m Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) That was a good price DC best I have been able to find locally was £25 each. Even the marina I moor at just replaces them Edited December 18, 2015 by Graham.m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHutch Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 We where advised to keep our old 4kg powered ones onboard, and the new 2kg replacements do not have a flexable hose so are harder to direct into confined spaces. We also have a foam extinguisher onboar and a short hose in the engine room. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham.m Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 (edited) We where advised to keep our old 4kg powered ones onboard, and the new 2kg replacements do not have a flexable hose so are harder to direct into confined spaces. We also have a foam extinguisher onboar and a short hose in the engine room. Daniel I wonder who advised you.I wonder if it could be the same person who advise me to keep my foam extinguishers aboard. Think I am going to have bring mine home and find someone local to service them, otherwise the insurance Co may not be happy if there is a fire. Edited December 19, 2015 by Graham.m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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