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Runcorn locks - restoration?


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36 minutes ago, Heartland said:

Having the CRT take over the Runcorn branch does make sense and there is a precedence in history where the Original act was from the Trent to the Mersey. 

 

Does that mean the "Trent and Mersey Canal" would have to be renamed the "Trent and Manchester Ship Canal Canal"?

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Does that mean the "Trent and Mersey Canal" would have to be renamed the "Trent and Manchester Ship Canal Canal"?

 

You could also use "Grand Trunk Canal" or the "Staffordshire Canal"

 

And combining names is also not unusual the original Birmingham Canal Navigation became the Birmingham & Birmingham & Fazeley Canal and then Birmingham Canal Navigations

 

People of talk of the Grand Union Canal in Birmingham, but it was the Warwick & Birmingham Canal and the Manchester Ship Canal was a new waterway but covered much of the Mersey & Irwell Navigation route

 

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Paddle said:

It's astonished me for many years that Peel still keep the Runcorn Arm open at all. I guess there are mooring fees and it would be expensive to shut it, but what's it actually for? (In their accountants' minds?)

I doubt they have the legal capability to close it. 
 

I think it came with the estate that includes the Manchester Ship Canal and perhaps more importantly it’s port assets. The Bridgwater itself probably also brings with it associated land and non-operational property of economic value to Peel.

 

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1 hour ago, Pie Eater said:

Why bring the Bridgewater Canal down to CRT standards?

Thats not fair, Peel have ruined Castlefield, its dead. The Bridgewater is a transit to get through quickly, boats not welcome unless they are on a mooring paying a fee.

And when it burst Peel wanted to close it, saved by boaters who raised a lot of money to give to mega-rich Peel to finance the repair.

 

.................Dave

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22 minutes ago, dmr said:

Thats not fair, Peel have ruined Castlefield, its dead. The Bridgewater is a transit to get through quickly, boats not welcome unless they are on a mooring paying a fee.

And when it burst Peel wanted to close it, saved by boaters who raised a lot of money to give to mega-rich Peel to finance the repair.

 

.................Dave

Do you mean the Bollin aqueduct breach in 1972? Peel were nowhere near the Bridgewater then. The canal then  belonged to the Manchester Ship Canal Co, they bought the Bridgewater for £1.7m  in the 1880s so they had an income stream to help fund the new canal. The Manchester Corporation later bailed out the MSC Co so the canal could be completed and held a majority on the MSC  Board until 1980something when they eventually sold out to Peel, a decision effectively  made by the Corporation.

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1 hour ago, billh said:

Do you mean the Bollin aqueduct breach in 1972? Peel were nowhere near the Bridgewater then. The canal then  belonged to the Manchester Ship Canal Co, they bought the Bridgewater for £1.7m  in the 1880s so they had an income stream to help fund the new canal. The Manchester Corporation later bailed out the MSC Co so the canal could be completed and held a majority on the MSC  Board until 1980something when they eventually sold out to Peel, a decision effectively  made by the Corporation.

 

I thought it was more a case that the Bridgewater company objected to the new competitor to their profitable trade, then allowed themselves to be bought out by the new venture to prevent them objecting to it.

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Somewhere in these last few texts, it seems to have been forgotten why the Manchester Ship canal was built and in doing so the Mersey & Irwell route into Manchester was required to make this new canal. The Mersey & Irwell Navigation was transferred to the Bridgewater Trustees in 1846.

 

Yet returning to a theme of the CRT taking over the Bridgewater for navigation purposes, a key part would be the Runcorn Branch, should any scheme to restore Runcorn Locks become a practical proposition.

 

It would be of interest to know how many boater's hold dual Peel Port and CRT licences and the benefits of a Peel licence as compared to a CRT licence.   

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  • 7 months later...

Is this your photo Pluto? Are you still local to Runcorn. We were led to believe is was taken in 1966 when the locks were filled and the drain was put in? Maybe we were wrong and the lock was excavated again in 70s. ??

17 minutes ago, sueanddaren said:

 

 

 

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On 10/08/2020 at 21:47, dmr said:

Thats not fair, Peel have ruined Castlefield, its dead. The Bridgewater is a transit to get through quickly, boats not welcome unless they are on a mooring paying a fee.

And when it burst Peel wanted to close it, saved by boaters who raised a lot of money to give to mega-rich Peel to finance the repair.

 

.................Dave

 

Is Castlefield a safe place to stop still?

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